Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[LivingOnValium]

Slave to SUBUTEX?

I managed not to relapse into daily use the last time i took recreational subutex after stopping the daily use.

Well i did again. I bought 2mg and used it IV in two shots. I'm feeling great now and i have more or less fiended buprenorphine when not being on it.

The mental cravings after this substance with my history of use are almost impossible to deal with.

I'm playing with fire here and the thought of not being on bupe tomorrow is making me (already) a bit anxious even though this time i'm 100% w/d free.

I can see myself relapsing to the daily use again beacause i'm not coping well at all when being clean. I'm almost constantly craving for opioids. Buprenorphine is just so good as it makes you feel euphoric as fuck (atm with with 0% tolerance) but still being perfectly able to function and fill in my duties and being at work.

FUUUCCK i'm feeling so fucking lost and helpless for being such a slave for this substance.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I managed not to relapse into daily use the last time i took recreational subutex after stopping the daily use.

Well i did again. I bought 2mg and used it IV in two shots. I'm feeling great now and i have more or less fiended buprenorphine when not being on it.

The mental cravings after this substance with my history of use are almost impossible to deal with.

I'm playing with fire here and the thought of not being on bupe tomorrow is making me (already) a bit anxious even though this time i'm 100% w/d free.

I can see myself relapsing to the daily use again beacause i'm not coping well at all when being clean. I'm almost constantly craving for opioids. Buprenorphine is just so good as it makes you feel euphoric as fuck (atm with with 0% tolerance) but still being perfectly able to function and fill in my duties and being at work.

FUUUCCK i'm feeling so fucking lost and helpless for being such a slave for this substance.

Just give it up man! Go get some

, take a good hypnotic benzo and some hydroxyzine, watch your favorite TV shows/movies, and relax!!! It'll be OK, I promise. You haven't fully relapsed yet, and it's always OK to have "one last go" at it, just make that one the absolute last one, you're done, you can quit now and get out w/o much symptoms I am sure!

Tell us what your cravings are like - what helps you the most w/ cravings, other than using drugs?

Trust me when I say I understand where you're coming from; I use buprenorphine at least 4-6 times per day every day unless I sleep in a lot or other circumstances come up. I can live w/o it but it's not easy. I really do prefer having buprenorphine there, my life is much more normal/functional with it.

 

[Ashley26]

Thanks CH, you're always so nice. I'm sure its annoying to read about my going back and forth between opiates and bupe so your kidness is much appreciated. You all understand the torture of opiate addiction!

 

[fm1983]

Bupe never ceases to amaze me. After not taking anything for 30+hrs, I literally snort 10 granuals of bupe powder (the amount of powder was so laughable) and I am golden. I love it. Now if I could only stick to it for more then a week at a time...

Also, I have been blind dosing, the other day I had broken up 2mg, and just have been taking tiny bumps of it. No more then twice a day, I have to be using <.2mg at a time with great results. I think this method is much better for me.

 

[mike_indy_317]

Well even though I really wanted some oxy or methadone I didnt get anything and stuck with my suboxone. Me and my grandma went to my Dads he lives about 60 miles away we went when his girlfriend wasnt there because shes a little golddigger homewrecker who only cares about herself.

Shes been staying somewhere else on the weekdays and then staying at my Dads for the weekend I really hate her . So me and my Grandma went over there 2 days ago and we brought some fireworks and cooked out on the grill and had a good time and I didnt have to take some methadone to have a good time with my Dad.

Before we left my Dad gave me a quarter of some good bud and then when I got home I bought a half of some more good bud so Im good with the weed and dont need any piils.

 

[Znegative]

^you're lucky that weed works for you.

Ashley, I also want to say good luck with the bupe. The transition can be a bit rough sometimes, but it can aso be good. i just switched back to a full agonist for a little while starting yesterday. I've been trying to finish writing this post for like 20MINUTES!

 

[tyler5]

my friend took 5x 0.2mg temgesic (buprenorphine) over a couple of hours and he hasnt felt any effects at all.
last time he used opiates was a couple days ago ~150mg codeine CWE.
isnt that extremely strange considering he should be naive to opiates considering bupe is suppose to be pretty strong.
method of consumption has been sublingual (5x 0.2mg temgesic melted under tongue).
should he consume the other 5 tabs he has (also 0.2mg temgesic) with the total dosage being 2mg then over about 5-6hrs?
please answer ASAP
thank You all in advance for Your help

 

[Drifter74]

my friend took 5x 0.2mg temgesic (buprenorphine) over a couple of hours and he hasnt felt any effects at all.
last time he used opiates was a couple days ago ~150mg codeine CWE.
isnt that extremely strange considering he should be naive to opiates considering bupe is suppose to be pretty strong.
method of consumption has been sublingual (5x 0.2mg temgesic melted under tongue).
should he consume the other 5 tabs he has (also 0.2mg temgesic) with the total dosage being 2mg then over about 5-6hrs?
please answer ASAP
thank You all in advance for Your help

If you can crush and snort Temgesic like you can with Suboxone, that's what I would do. Just do a few small bumps, waiting about 20-40 minutes in between each small bump.

Don't overdue it though, otherwise he's going to be puking.. If you get it right, he's going to be be nicely baked.

Have fun, be safe!

 

[tyler5]

hey,
problem is, now taken 1.2mg over 5 hours or so, and no nice feeling whatsoever
really dissapointed to be honest.
i was going to stop codeine usage for a day or two also and get on bupe to find out what the high is like, but considering that my friend who doesnt use any opiates other than occasional minimal dosage of codeine (~150mg CWE'd), i really think that there is no high at all

have any of You guys consumed 0.2 temgesics for recretional purposes and how were they according to You, concerning the quality?

 

[Znegative]

I think that sublingual .2 mg of buprenorphine would be practically innactive, seeing as the BA is so low when administered in that fashion. If you friend shot it, he'd definately get high, much higher than on codeine, and if he sniffs it, he should get a good buzz off it too.

 

[tyler5]

so since hes sniffed one 0.2mg's and sublingually taken five 0.2mg's, he should just snort the 4 remaining ones?
would that create a powerful high due to 1.2mg of temgesic already inside him, just no effects, none.

thank You so much for Your quick help, really appreciate it

 

[hellocatastrophe]

well I'm going back on subs, simply cause I can't afford my oxy habit right now. I have 3 months of subs so I'm set for awhile. I really wanteed to sell them but couldn't find anyone to buy them. Might as well use them myself. Feeling nervous for the first few days again cause I know how crappy ill feel :/

i always DREAD taking suboxone after an oxycodone binge. it literally makes me cringe to think about taking it. i always cry at my fiance and bitch about how much it sucks and how it's lame and disgusting. after i spend all day trying to figure out how to score some pills, i just do the suboxone.

40 minutes later i feel amazing and feel like kicking myself for cheating in the first place. i truly love suboxone. it's only my mind telling me i hate it after a binge. it's my addiction that's dreading it.

just stick to it and it will get better. you can do it!

 

[hellocatastrophe]

so since hes sniffed one 0.2mg's and sublingually taken five 0.2mg's, he should just snort the 4 remaining ones?
would that create a powerful high due to 1.2mg of temgesic already inside him, just no effects, none.

thank You so much for Your quick help, really appreciate it

i also suggest that he insufflate ((sniff)) it. i find that sublingual suboxone does absolutely dick for me. i'm pretty sure i end up swallowing it before it can even be absorbed. and it's awful tasting. i don't know if temgesic is also flavored like orange death though.

either way, bupe is bupe, and the bioavailability is much higher when insufflated. have him sniff them one-two at a time and see if that gets him where he would like to be. it is however possible that he is just one of the unlucky ones who doesn't experience good effects from bupe ((in terms of getting high)).

hey,
problem is, now taken 1.2mg over 5 hours or so, and no nice feeling whatsoever
really dissapointed to be honest.
i was going to stop codeine usage for a day or two also and get on bupe to find out what the high is like, but considering that my friend who doesnt use any opiates other than occasional minimal dosage of codeine (~150mg CWE'd), i really think that there is no high at all

have any of You guys consumed 0.2 temgesics for recretional purposes and how were they according to You, concerning the quality?

there may not be for your friend, but keep in mind that everyone's body chemistry is different. while he may not experience anything, you could experience the joyous honeymoon phase of bupe in which it totally mindfucks you into euphoric oblivion. it's worth a shot.

also, i honestly don't even know what temgesic is, but does it have any other active substances that could be affecting this??

 

[fm1983]

i also suggest that he insufflate ((sniff)) it. i find that sublingual suboxone does absolutely dick for me. i'm pretty sure i end up swallowing it before it can even be absorbed. and it's awful tasting. i don't know if temgesic is also flavored like orange death though.

either way, bupe is bupe, and the bioavailability is much higher when insufflated. have him sniff them one-two at a time and see if that gets him where he would like to be. it is however possible that he is just one of the unlucky ones who doesn't experience good effects from bupe ((in terms of getting high)).

Haha, so that's the flavor of suboxone!

 

[tyler5]

i also suggest that he insufflate ((sniff)) it. i find that sublingual suboxone does absolutely dick for me.

either way, bupe is bupe, and the bioavailability is much higher when insufflated. have him sniff them one-two at a time and see if that gets him where he would like to be. it is however possible that he is just one of the unlucky ones who doesn't experience good effects from bupe ((in terms of getting high)).

also, i honestly don't even know what temgesic is, but does it have any other active substances that could be affecting this??

Bioavailability
70-90% (sublingual, from ethanolic solution)
~50-60% (sublingual, high-dose tablet)
~50% (transdermal)

so melting under Your tongue should me extremely potent according to this info from the almighty wiki

 

[stigup]

I couldn't find anything on it but, maybe someone knows. Does suboxone allow for your endorphins to be produced again? I know it takes like 2-3 weeks for them to start getting back to normal since a regular opiates causes them to shut down.

Also I've been IV'in suboxone recently and I must say it helps a great deal as far as lasting a long while and with the mental aspect of injecting. Today this dude hit me up wanting me to take him to get some dope and he said he was through me a few bags and I was like naw. I figured it wasn't worth it since I'm already taking subs and it will just be a waste. It's the first time in a long ass time I haven't wanted to get some diesel. I hope I can continue and eventually wean myself off. I used to believe IV'in subs would cause withdrawal, so anyone who has any doubts about it I can assure you that you'll be okay.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I couldn't find anything on it but, maybe someone knows. Does suboxone allow for your endorphins to be produced again? I know it takes like 2-3 weeks for them to start getting back to normal since a regular opiates causes them to shut down.

Yeah, buprenorphine will allow your endogenous endorphins to return, it's a partial agonist and is not as bad in that department.

Also I've been IV'in suboxone recently and I must say it helps a great deal as far as lasting a long while and with the mental aspect of injecting. Today this dude hit me up wanting me to take him to get some dope and he said he was through me a few bags and I was like naw. I figured it wasn't worth it since I'm already taking subs and it will just be a waste. It's the first time in a long ass time I haven't wanted to get some diesel. I hope I can continue and eventually wean myself off. I used to believe IV'in subs would cause withdrawal, so anyone who has any doubts about it I can assure you that you'll be okay.

Glad to hear it works for you!

 

[tyler5]

i also suggest that he insufflate ((sniff)) it. i find that sublingual suboxone does absolutely dick for me. i'm pretty sure i end up swallowing it before it can even be absorbed. and it's awful tasting. i don't know if temgesic is also flavored like orange death though.

either way, bupe is bupe, and the bioavailability is much higher when insufflated. have him sniff them one-two at a time and see if that gets him where he would like to be. it is however possible that he is just one of the unlucky ones who doesn't experience good effects from bupe ((in terms of getting high)).

also, i honestly don't even know what temgesic is, but does it have any other active substances that could be affecting this??

Temgesic is brand name (example:xanax=alprazolam) for buprenorphine like Subutex or Suboxone is.
he consumed 5x0.2mg sublingually (1mg) and then one 0.2mg via sniffing.
said there was absolutely no burning whatsoever, NONE.
but at the same time, there was no reaction / effects also.
we had only 10 0.2mg tabs between us and i gave him one of mine just to get one of us high on bupe but it looks like its not gonna happen.

or is it really possible theres people like some for who codeine does absolutely nothing (0%) and then those who cant feel the recreational qualitites of buprenorphine?
btw, hes done codeine many times, and feels it VERY stongly. and the dosage is usually ~150mg.


also, what about the bioavailability chart from wikipedia:
Bioavailability
70-90% (sublingual, from ethanolic solution)
~50-60% (sublingual, high-dose tablet)
~50% (transdermal)

it seems to me like the default sublingual route is pretty potent. is insufflation really 99% then ?


so its a bit of a mystery for me now.
i dont know whether to buy more of them and do some thorough testing with a few other people incl myself but im on codeine daily right now so that would kinda suck.

however, i also hope someone here can shed some light on this anomality

 

[Antecessor]

sub script update

Yay, my doc is awesome, apon describing my actual symptoms (I decided to be honest) he immediately told me I would have to take a higher dose, without me even asking for it. Apparently 4mg/day isnt enough, so I get 6mg now, still all in one morning dose but .

I can feel the difference already, I dont know why people say less is more, when more really is more. lol.

Sometimes I get slight headaches, just behind my eyes, someone told me this is from my pupils being constantly focused into pinpoints by the suboxone. I dont think my pupils have been normal since I started this treatment. Does anyone know if this really does cause headaches?

Oh and if anyone is interested, I find a combo of snorting and sublingual is best. I put most of the powder under my tongue, and snort 1 or 2 "fingerfulls" of powder, when the pharmacist isnt looking.

suboxone

 

[stray cat]

hi- i know this has been touched on lots of times, as I have been reading various posts about it off and on for a few days, but I can't seem to find a definitive answer. can you use small amounts of suboxone for just a few days to greatly decrease the physical aspects of w/d from a full agonist or are you just putting off the same withdrawals for a few days?

i'm not doing this- it's strictly a hypothetical, i'm just curious- but could you wait like 36 hrs after stopping your doc and take like .5, wait another 24-36, do like .3, then stop and experience much less severe w/ds than coming off your doc? or do it like that for a few more days or whatever? i just would like to know whether or not something like this is possible, bc you hear people talk about it a lot, but others are really quick to point out that it cannot be done. i'm not talking about paws, about relapsing/staying clean forever, etc. i'm familiar w/ all of that- i just want to know if this is possible from a strictly physical aspect.

many posts say that you are just replacing one opiate for another, so the w/d will be just as severe when you stop the buprenorphine.


other posters claim that they have used bupe for like 5 days, decreasing the dose each day, and then experienced very little physical w/d. (i understand about paws and the rate of relapse w/ these rapid detox plans- i'm strictly asking whether it is possible to do this and minimize the physical aspects of w/d only- not cravings, not stay clean forever- just can it work like that physically?)

other posters say that you don't want to use suboxone longer than 2-3 weeks if you are not planning on going on maintenance long-term b/c the suboxone w/ds will be longer/worse, which makes it sound like it is a separate addiction unto itself, not just an "opiate" addiction as others claim.

so, i'm just curious if anyone knows what the truth is. is one of those camps right or does the truth lie somewhere in between?

EDIT: assume a year+ length of habit, tapered down to the point where .5 36 hours after discontinuation of doc would provide decent relief, at least halt full w/d