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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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I just choose to shoot because at the moment my life feels so empty that if I didn't have a solution to inject into my arm every 4/5 hours, I think I'd go crazy.

I'm the same way, I barely have any relief from ADHD, so being able to have IV buprenorphine in a safe, reliable fashion has really helped me out a great deal.

I just can't wait to be able to get to a needle exchange program, I haven't been to one in forever (and I have too many used ones piling up around the place.. :|)

I wish there was a way I could mail in used needles and get new ones in return. That would be really awesome.
 
ha, I hear you brother. I got two huge ziplock bags stuffed with used rigs, burnt tinfoil, and drug baggies. It's pretty disgusting really. Sometimes when my friends are over that don't know about my naughtier habits, I feel like just whipping them out and saying "hey, look what I've been up to!"
 
I just want to get some real painkillers right now I dont know why I got some weed here but only a couple buds left and I got 100 bucks for doing some yard work.

I dont have any connections left but Im sure I could find some. Ive been clean for 8 months now taking 2 suboxone a day and smoking weed so If I get some oxy,percs,morphine or methadone it probably wont do anything but I still want something maybe I could get some xanax.

Does anybody think I should suck it up and not get any pills or should I just get some.
 
I just want to get some real painkillers right now I dont know why I got some weed here but only a couple buds left and I got 100 bucks for doing some yard work.

I dont have any connections left but Im sure I could find some. Ive been clean for 8 months now taking 2 suboxone a day and smoking weed so If I get some oxy,percs,morphine or methadone it probably wont do anything but I still want something maybe I could get some xanax.

Does anybody think I should suck it up and not get any pills or should I just get some.

Youve come this far why go back to it? besides there's a high chance you won't get that high.
 
suck it up dude if youre on 16mg suboxone daily youre gonna need a huge amount to get any sort of high. 80mg methadone 120mg oxy/ and those doses prob wouldnt even work good unless u waited 24 hours without suboxone. itslike u either do suoxone or do opiates if u try to do them together it cancels eachother out and u end up wasting drug and wasting money. do one or the other.

znegative i know wat u mean about showing ur non drug associated friends all ur shit. sometime i think about posting a link to the mega thread on my facebook but i use fb to get girls and it wouldnt be wise. i am glad to hear ur back maintaining, what kinda cotton shot did u do? dope? sometimes they work really well depending on quality and cotton size. id refilter the hell out of some used cottons tho cuz fuk cotton fever. i have been maintaining a little under a mg a day habit. ive only been dosing about twice every 12 hours which works great esp in the am.
 
did an opana cotton shot. It actually worked really well because I had a lot of cottons left over and opana's kind of difficult to filter, so a decent amount get's left in the cottons. I actually got a strong high out of it, which was kind of rediculous.

when I switched from the opana i went to about 16-24 mg of suboxone, and then after 3 days lowered it down to 2 mg/day, and now for the last 5 days or so it's been 1 mg or less/day (back to square one). I do .15 shots usually, and I agree, the morning shot is the best!!

to mike indy, you're not going to get high on top of 16 mg of sub, at best you'll die trying. Even after 48 hour the effects you feel from other opiates would be greatly diminished.
 
I just want to get some real painkillers right now I dont know why I got some weed here but only a couple buds left and I got 100 bucks for doing some yard work.

I dont have any connections left but Im sure I could find some. Ive been clean for 8 months now taking 2 suboxone a day and smoking weed so If I get some oxy,percs,morphine or methadone it probably wont do anything but I still want something maybe I could get some xanax.

Does anybody think I should suck it up and not get any pills or should I just get some.

Real pain killers suck just as much as suboxone. All opiates suck realistically. Whats the point of getting high anymore its amazing how many people on this forum are craving something thats guaranteed to make them feel like crap.

You wanna get high for 4 hours so you can spend the next 2-3 days in a funk? I do understand drugs help us escape from reality, and some times in my life it was exactly what I needed. But I'm starting to realize the escape is NEVER long enough.
You're always pulled right back into a shit life and to add to that now you have wds to deal with. If your life is bothering you the last thing you should be doing is looking to get high.

Get a job, find a girl, so surfing, work out. There are SO MANY things that may not be as fun as opiates when you do them, but AFTER you do them you'll be blessed with something called self esteem and optimism.

Fight the good fight & don't give in. Drugs do NOTHING good for us but make us want more and want to cry when we can't it.
 
haha, that's pretty right on. yesterday I was litterally on the verge of tears because I had been planning to steal my friends father's vicodins and I couldn't get to them... What the fuck?!! It's so rediculous because at best I would have gotten high, come down, have to jump back on the suboxone, and then feel like shit about pulling some junky shit like that.

Needlejuice, I meant to ask you earlier, how much sub do u use per shot? I'm just curious, cause I use .15 mg, but I do like 5/6 shots per day, and you said you go 12 hours in between. I would like to do that because sub only really feels good when you wait a while in between dosages, but I've been a real baby lately, and the second I realize "oh it's been 3/4 hours!" I start fiending..for suboxone.
 
Real pain killers suck just as much as suboxone. All opiates suck realistically. Whats the point of getting high anymore its amazing how many people on this forum are craving something thats guaranteed to make them feel like crap.

You wanna get high for 4 hours so you can spend the next 2-3 days in a funk? I do understand drugs help us escape from reality, and some times in my life it was exactly what I needed. But I'm starting to realize the escape is NEVER long enough.
You're always pulled right back into a shit life and to add to that now you have wds to deal with. If your life is bothering you the last thing you should be doing is looking to get high.

Get a job, find a girl, so surfing, work out. There are SO MANY things that may not be as fun as opiates when you do them, but AFTER you do them you'll be blessed with something called self esteem and optimism.

Fight the good fight & don't give in. Drugs do NOTHING good for us but make us want more and want to cry when we can't it.

So what do you do when you got the job, have the girlfriend, workout regularly, eat healthy, and still feel like complete and utter shit? I don't think people turn to opiates because their life is boring, or because they lack self esteem. I think most opiate addicts, people who really crave opiates and only opiates, have a neurochemical deficiency in their endogenous opiod production that leads to them seeking out opiates just to feel normal. For most people, opiates will get them high, but later make them feel like crap. For the true opiate addict, they always feel like crap and the only time they feel better is when using opiates. I am not using this an excuse for abuse, but I think our entire idea about treatment and addiction is almost dead wrong and that is why it fails so terribly.

Almost every opiate addict I have ever met, was suffering from long term depression and generalized anxiety, long before they began experimenting with opiates. Usually through drug experimentation or by plain accident (surgery for example) they discover that after using opiates they actually feel decent for the first time in their lives (or for as long as they can remember). That was definitely my experience and I have talked to several others whose experience mirrors my own. It was like a light was suddenly turned on in our head and we knew right then, that this is what is was like to feel "good". I would not use opiates again for another 3 years, but during that time my depression became worse and worse, and by the next time I used opiates I had been using several other drugs as well in a quest to just feel decent. Then the wonderful bliss that was experienced earlier is rediscovered and I started using a bit more frequently. When I used I felt so much more myself, I was energetic, not anxiety ridden, much more social, much more productive. So I used more and more and addiction got the better of me. The problem was, addiction was more of a hassle and a legal problem more so than one of wrecking my life. My life felt destroyed before I became an addict, opiates were the only bright spot in my life. Most people do not understand what this feels like and therefore, people give advice like yours about just going out and being a good productive member of society. I was that before and I was a god awful mess.

Eventually though my life became unmangeable not due to the opiates, those I could manage, but the cost of the opiates and the risk inherent in illegal activity was too high for me and I stopped using. I quit and remanined sober for 4 years during which I took up weight training, martial arts, obtained degree from Graduate School, dating a gorgeous woman, had a good job, and everyday I hated my life and was miserable, tired, exhausted, etc.. I tried yoga, meditation, AA, NA, counseling, everything, I begged god, I went to groups, everything I could and the benefits would be fleeting at best. After 4 years of being sober I hurt my back and I took 2 vicodin from a friend and about 45 minutes later I felt the best I had in 4 years, from 2 stupid pills. I was devestated because I had come to realize that there was just something wrong with the way my brain was wired and the only thing that made me any better was opiates. I felt cursed to live in a country that made usage of the only thing that made me feel better, a crime. I was not hurting anyone, I just wanted to feel decent, so I could go about my life. I had researched the brain and addiction compulsively, trying to find some way to make myself better, but my research seemed to confirm my suspicions about bad wiring. The brain functions by employing several different neurotransmitters, like serotonin and dopamine, but the brain also produces its own natural opiods. You need these to be happy. The brain is composed of matter, and just like any other organ in your body, there is variation amongst people, and all are subject to some type of dysfunction. It made perfect sense that just like how an superabundance of dopamine is linked to manic phases, low serotonin levels with some depression, and how so many types of psychiatric disorders are the result of just an imbalance of certain chemicals in ones brain, that opiate addiction is more than likely the result of low levels of natural opiod production.

This is not to say that all opiate addiciton is because of this. Anyone can become physically addicted to opiates because of their physical properties, but certain people are absolutely predisposed to addiction due to their brain chemistry. The body is intelligent and it will seek out substances that it needs when deificient. Ever hear about pregnant mothers eating chalk, it is due to low mineral levels to where they are compelled to eat certain objects to correct the imbalance. We like sugar so much because starvation used to be a major threat so our bodies developed a preference for sugary, fattening food, because it provided easy calories. Almost every opiate addict I have spoken with has told me that long before they ever used opiates, they just felt like something was wrong with them, they were depressed, anxious and nothing really helped. In my case, I was a runner, and no matter how fast or how far I ran or pushed myself, I could never, ever acheive a runner's high. These all indicate some type of endogenous opiod deficiency that is the source of the problem, and the person is merely trying to correct an imbalance within them.

This idea makes perfect sense knowing what we do about the brain and its basic operating mechanism's, but somehow it is taboo in our society to claim innate differences in people's brains and their abilitities. There is this huge myth that we all have unlimited amounts of free will and freedom in making decisions in our life and everything comes down to a person's willpower. This is simply not true and is pure fantasty, but it is the foundation of the entire Western system of religious belief (we are all completely responsible for our behavior and are punished for our sins accordingly) and our economic system of free market capitalism to where any person as long as they want something bad enough, they can achieve it. This is total bullshit and flies in the face of everything we know about in medicine and psychiatry.

Yes, we all can make choices, but for some people, some choices are more free to make than others, for some people they are compelled to behave in a certain way, etc. It is just like problems with the rest of the body, you don't tell someone who has Diabetes due to their pancreas burning out to just will themsevles some more insulin, it is not going to happen, it can not be done. you can not tell someoone whose spinal cord has been severed to just will it to regrow and they will walk. Yes, someone can always point out some anomaly and say that they did it through will and belief and this is horseshit as well, the truth is,w e have no idea how some of these miracle cases happens, that is it, we simply don't know, because I am sure that there are many people whose faith was just as strong as the lone person who was healed, who were left crippled. So it is with Brain chemistry, I think we take this mythological fantasy about the brain and ignore science when it comes to things like addiction, free will, and personal choice. Yes, we have some range of free choice, but each person's range is determined by predetermined biological structure. I can't cure myself of epilepsy if there is too much neuroelectricity going on between my brain hemispheres, so how is getting a job supposed to help with my epilepsy? I think the same can be said for most types of hard addictions.
 
I just want to get some real painkillers right now I dont know why I got some weed here but only a couple buds left and I got 100 bucks for doing some yard work.

I dont have any connections left but Im sure I could find some. Ive been clean for 8 months now taking 2 suboxone a day and smoking weed so If I get some oxy,percs,morphine or methadone it probably wont do anything but I still want something maybe I could get some xanax.

Does anybody think I should suck it up and not get any pills or should I just get some.
Go buy some more weed! The weed will last you longer and you'll enjoy every second of being stoned that much more because you won't be in withdrawal afterward.

Then, it'll be easier to do more lawn work in the future when you're stoned, and not in opiate withdrawal. :)
 
So what do you do when you got the job, have the girlfriend, workout regularly, eat healthy, and still feel like complete and utter shit?

I didn't read much more of your post yet but you present an interesting idea, and I want to explain why this can happen.

It is now known that mice, and most likely humans, endogenously produce their own morphine. Some people may have a problem with their endogenous endorphins, causing them to not gain the same sense of euphoria from every day life.

I think buprenorphine is a great drug for this though, because a very small amount of buprenorphine (for me, 50 mcg or 0.05mg) can make me feel drastically better. :)

I think there is still hope for people who still feel like utter shit after everything you can do to make yourself feel all right naturally. I will read the rest of your post later on, thank you for sharing your experience.
 
I didn't read much more of your post yet but you present an interesting idea, and I want to explain why this can happen.

It is now known that mice, and most likely humans, endogenously produce their own morphine. Some people may have a problem with their endogenous endorphins, causing them to not gain the same sense of euphoria from every day life.

I think buprenorphine is a great drug for this though, because a very small amount of buprenorphine (for me, 50 mcg or 0.05mg) can make me feel drastically better. :)

I think there is still hope for people who still feel like utter shit after everything you can do to make yourself feel all right naturally. I will read the rest of your post later on, thank you for sharing your experience.
Thanks, I have been on suboxone for 6 months and it has actually been the easiest 6 months of my life. I am thinking about taking a little break because I don't drink, smoke pot, nothing, I have never liked any other drug, other than opiates, but I honestly do miss getting fucked up occasionally. Suboxone is the closest I have come to feeling normal, ever, and I don't feel high, and it has pretty much taken away my desire for other opiates, but again, that sensation from IV drug use still pops in my head every now and again as there really is nothing better, it would be like getting a blowjob and then having to abstain from blowjobs the rest of your life. LOL

But honestly before suboxone I thought I was pretty much doomed to life as either a junkie, or being completely sober and miserable. I did everything a person could do to make themselves better and nothing, nothing made much difference and how could it if there is a problem with the underlying brain chemistry.

I honestly think a good way to tell is by running, I would run every day. mile after mile after mile. I ran mini marathons, not full, but never experienced anything close to a runner's high. Now a person with regular opiod production should be able to produce this through intense physical activity, but I never felt a thing other than pain. This combined with all my other research seems to indicate some dysfunction in my natural opiod production. These also contribute to day to day happiness, and if a person had really low natural levels than they are probably going to feel a bit despondent and anxious about life and little things will not bring the happiness that they do to other people, because you are not like other people. That is the problem, the want to make broad generalized statements and solutions about people whose brain structure and neurochemistry is vastly different. Why are some people color blind, bad wiring, we don't tell them to will themselves to see color.
 
IV bupe seems optimal

the last month i stopped IVing my bupe. i tried sublingual, intranasal, and even plugging. plugging worked the best but it still did not touch IV as far as taking care of my cravings, giving me the feeling it was working, and needing much much smaller amounts to feel SATISFIED.

i started thinking, buprenex was introduced as an injectable.....is there a reason for that? why not in pill form? think about it. i think this shit was meant to be shot. it works so well for me that way and the other roas just dont compare.


and im not talking about getting high. ive been on it 5 yrs, i dont get high. i just feel more satiated. i can feel a little warmth from it - opiate-esque. well, i realized i only have 3 pills left and no bupe dr nailed down locally so i really feel i have no choice. i bought a 10 pack today and did a shot and instantly i felt like i was home. my mood has been APESHIT this last month. really really bad mood swings, anxiety, being a DICK to my girl.

im curious to see how my mood turns out now that im back to the vein. gotta say it was nice not having tracks. but im using my legs since its summer. trying not to reuse rigs too. i was gonna raise my lexapro dose but i think this may be the solution to me feeling off. we shall see. thank you. good night. mods move if needed, blog i guess.
 
hello everyone :)
this thread's been a little slow as of late in comparison to past versions. just wanted to see how everyone is doing//feeling about their treatment and//or maintenance lately.

so- since i've started suboxone, i've been cheating 1-3 times a week, using oxycodone. i used suboxone the last three days and then today made up my mind that today would be another day of cheating. i only used 90mg of oxycodone throughout the day, which is good considering my recent habit. however, i've come to realize that i hate getting 'high' anymore. using my doc is always so appealing to me in my head, and sure i enjoy the initial come up when that blanket of warmth comes over me and everything goes a bit fuzzy and my nose gets itchy, but after that- i can't stand it. my mood is unstable, i feel like shit, my skin is crawling, and i actually regret what i have done. then i feel guilty and disgusting and wish that i could just rewind and slap myself. i don't even know why i cheat because it ends up this way every time. now i'm sulking and dreading precips which i'll have to ride out at 5am tomorrow.

the good thing here is that i think i'm finally over it. i don't want to get 'high' anymore- if that's what one could even call it (as i associate getting high with positive, enjoyable experiences which just isn't the case anymore in this situation). i want to take my suboxone for the next couple weeks, taper off, and get on with my life. i want to get everything back that i've lost to this bullshit.

i don't know what the point of this post was, but i guess i've had a mini-epiphany. i'm through with chasing the unobtainable. my love affair with opiates is officially over. and i'm happy and excited about it. i guess i'll keep you all posted.

good luck to everyone out there who is in this boat with me. i know it's not and won't be easy, but it's going to be well worth it.
 
Suboxone is great

I started on suboxone a 5 days ago, 4mg/day (in one morning dose) prescribed for a 500mg/day codiene addiction that lasted 5 years (I started selfmedicating for depression, worked for a bit, lol)

Now I kid you not, I've forgotten what codiene even felt like, sub is great. Everyones subjective experiences must be different but for me, sub makes me very HAPPY!

The only bad thing is that I sometimes wake up at night feeling the exact opposite, very very sad. I want to ask my doc for another 2mg to take at bedtime to fix this.

Should I tell him why I want the extra dose ie, for my depression, or should I make something up, like saying I get cravings at nighttime?

And yes, I addicted to sub, I love the fact my doc says I will be taking them for life!
 
well, being a drug used to combat opiate addictions, naturally suboxone would feel great. :)
i only wish i could land myself with a prescription to the stuff, but i'm still enjoying the opiates i'm using now, regardless of their legal status.
suggesting to your doctor that you get cravings for codeine at night might work, it might not. if you tell him it's for your depression, same deal. doctors are always iffy about prescribing opioids or increasing their dosage, so it's the luck of the draw.
 
I would say just be honest. Your doctor should know what is best for you. Doctors have said that suboxone helps with depression, and we can't tell you what to say to get more drugs (it is against the rules, and mods will edit or close the thread) so just be honest. But yea, suboxone is also used to treat depression for those already on it for opiate maintainance.
 
I started on suboxone a 5 days ago, 4mg/day (in one morning dose) prescribed for a 500mg/day codiene addiction that lasted 5 years (I started selfmedicating for depression, worked for a bit, lol)

Now I kid you not, I've forgotten what codiene even felt like, sub is great. Everyones subjective experiences must be different but for me, sub makes me very HAPPY!

The only bad thing is that I sometimes wake up at night feeling the exact opposite, very very sad. I want to ask my doc for another 2mg to take at bedtime to fix this.

Should I tell him why I want the extra dose ie, for my depression, or should I make something up, like saying I get cravings at nighttime?

And yes, I addicted to sub, I love the fact my doc says I will be taking them for life!

Take 2mg in the morning and 2mg in the evening, you don't have to take 4mg all at once. This will solve your problem, and you should feel all right until the morning. :)

You don't need more than 4mg a day, buprenorphine is a very potent opiate. After the first few weeks you are on Suboxone, you will be able to start tapering lower on it, and still get really good effects from it.

If you have problems with sleeping throughout the night, it is possible you could use a sleep aid, but I think splitting your 4mg into two doses is the right thing to do. You're already using a pill cutter to split the 8mg pill, go ahead and split it into quarters.

This belongs in the Suboxone Mega Thread, I'll merge this there now.
 
hello everyone :)
this thread's been a little slow as of late in comparison to past versions. just wanted to see how everyone is doing//feeling about their treatment and//or maintenance lately.

so- since i've started suboxone, i've been cheating 1-3 times a week, using oxycodone. i used suboxone the last three days and then today made up my mind that today would be another day of cheating. i only used 90mg of oxycodone throughout the day, which is good considering my recent habit. however, i've come to realize that i hate getting 'high' anymore. using my doc is always so appealing to me in my head, and sure i enjoy the initial come up when that blanket of warmth comes over me and everything goes a bit fuzzy and my nose gets itchy, but after that- i can't stand it. my mood is unstable, i feel like shit, my skin is crawling, and i actually regret what i have done. then i feel guilty and disgusting and wish that i could just rewind and slap myself. i don't even know why i cheat because it ends up this way every time. now i'm sulking and dreading precips which i'll have to ride out at 5am tomorrow.

the good thing here is that i think i'm finally over it. i don't want to get 'high' anymore- if that's what one could even call it (as i associate getting high with positive, enjoyable experiences which just isn't the case anymore in this situation). i want to take my suboxone for the next couple weeks, taper off, and get on with my life. i want to get everything back that i've lost to this bullshit.

i don't know what the point of this post was, but i guess i've had a mini-epiphany. i'm through with chasing the unobtainable. my love affair with opiates is officially over. and i'm happy and excited about it. i guess i'll keep you all posted.

good luck to everyone out there who is in this boat with me. i know it's not and won't be easy, but it's going to be well worth it.

SHIT, I had a good reply written out, and just deleted it by alt F4ing my window instead of CTRL F4ing the tab I was on... :!

In short, congratulations on completely giving up full agonist opiates!

I am down to 50mcg per dose, and am probably going to keep tapering lower.

I am planning on going to the gym again to compare against the other day.
 
I think about this often too. when I take bupe sublingual, and insufflated, it does absolutely nothing for my cravings. I.V. is nice because it sort of gives you a taste of that honeymoon period with subs (if you've ever had that to begin with), and the effects never go away. For instance, I'm back down to .15 mg/shot, and I get the same effect from it every time. At such low dosages I don't really seem to build a tolerance, so I sustain a mild buzz from it.
 
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