Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[LivingOnValium]

I was without without Subutex for a relatively long time. I stopped counting days at the 20th day.

I did quite a lot low quality speed in 24h with a friend. We run out it of about 10h ago and the comedown was horrendous. I just coudn't resist buying a tiny amount of Subutex to get anxiety relief and to mask the comedown symptoms. The friend of mine happened to cut a 2mg slice out the tablet so that's what i paid for (not that many euros). I justified this afterwards to myself by allowing myself to use buprenorphine in such extreme situations. I'm now very much intoxicated but already feeling that i'm cheating/lying to myself. Have to think this whole thing through again when i sober up. I am aware that i'm playing with fire here and how easily I could slip back to daily use.

I shot up half of what i got (1mg) which lead to an almost instant relief to how i was feeling, both mentally and physicallly. I still have a pre-prepped syringe with as much buprenorphine as in the earlier shot. I'm thinking of shooting it up when i've had some sleep. I will probably still feel a bit rough at that point. Now i'm feeling extremely euphoric, mellow, warm, cozy and relaxed. I believe the sudden change from the agony the the to smooth buprenorphine high adds up to the euphoria.

I would lie if claimed that I haven't had a thought of shooting subutex hundreds of times earlier. I really do hope that this relapse doesn't get me back 2 square 1.

 

[chi.christina]

Znegative and Downtownhumanoid, thanks for the further input. I knew suboxone had a longer half life but didn't realize it was 36 hours. I suppose a quick search could have found that info... but anyway, thanks for the advice. I really liked the door metaphor having to do with partial agonists.

As for why I can't IV ZNeg, if you were asking me, its because my veins are really hard to hit, the easy ones are getting trashed, and my parents notice track marks. I'll definitely take your advice, then let everyone know how it went.

 

[mike_indy_317]

I have been taking my subs under the tounger but no matter what I always get a mouth full of saliva and suboxone liquid,so I leave the liquid there sitting for 30 minutes then I rub the liquid over my gums and everywhere else. Then for the next 30 minutes I start swallowing little amounts of the liquid until its gone. So I dont know if thats a good way or not but let me know if im doing something wrong.

 

[shoolameet]

Quick question:
I have been on subs (16 mg/day) for about 6 months. I haven't dosed in 48 hours so is that long enough to skip it if I want to take some morphine or should I wait another day?

 

[fm1983]

I only used 1.25mg of sub yesterday snorted. I dosed at 9:30am and went to bed around midnight. I was pleasantly surprised how well that held me and how I felt the whole day. This morning I only dosed .5mg and feel great. Don't know why I am posting this, but just wanted to put it on paper.

 

[hellocatastrophe]

I have been taking my subs under the tounger but no matter what I always get a mouth full of saliva and suboxone liquid,so I leave the liquid there sitting for 30 minutes then I rub the liquid over my gums and everywhere else. Then for the next 30 minutes I start swallowing little amounts of the liquid until its gone. So I dont know if thats a good way or not but let me know if im doing something wrong.

i just finished up reading through v8.0 here and was wondering how you're doing lately? after reading through the bullshit you go through with your doctor- i have to suggest finding a new one. if you are not ready to lower your suboxone dose and he is forcing you to do so, there is a much higher chance you will relapse. there are tons of suboxone doctors out there, look into it @suboxone.com. there's a "find a doctor" area at the top right of the page which will give you listings based on your zip code.

as far as dosing suboxone goes, i don't take mine sublingually. i feel that i waste it that way because i end up with a mouth full of saliva and liquid suboxone which i have to swallow before it makes me vomit. i insufflate//snort mine and also find that i need a whole lot less to get the job done. after an oxycodone binge, i will use 2mg the first day to get me started and then immediately drop down to ~0.5mg after. the initial 2mg is probably way overshooting, but i'm comfortable with that. i can tell you that rubbing the solution over your gums and cheeks isn't going to really help you. if you don't feel that your dose is doing it's job perhaps try a different roa? i dislike the sublingual route because it takes more suboxone for desired effects. it is possible you may also need to raise your dose if you are used to your dose with a different route.

 

[Znegative]

insuflation is a good roa for suboxone in my oppinion, because, while it does take less than sublingual use to produce the same effect, the difference is not as gigantic, as say I.V, and it's easy to go back to sublingual, and even maintain the same dose as sniffed, though it might take a few days to get used to it. I'm always into tapering my suboxone down to as little as possible, just in case I decide to pick up one day (yeah I know, wonderfull right?). I'm currently I.V'ing, shooting for 1 mg a day, which I achieved yesterday with good results.

sniffing also has the benifit that it lasts almost as long as SL, wheras shooting it does not last very long. I kind of like fixing up multiple times a day, but sometimes it can be a bitch. SL though, in my oppinion is the most horrible ROA simply because I cannot take the taste of this shit. Seriously, I know when they designed these pills they probably thought they would make them taste delicious to further deter addicts from trying to abuse them, but that plan really backfired. That taste just lingers and lingers for hours on end! Sometimes I start dry heaving from SL, so nowadays I don't even feel bad really about taking it other ways. I feel like I've been forced to!

 

[fm1983]

insuflation is a good roa for suboxone in my oppinion, because, while it does take less than sublingual use to produce the same effect, the difference is not as gigantic, as say I.V, and it's easy to go back to sublingual, and even maintain the same dose as sniffed, though it might take a few days to get used to it. I'm always into tapering my suboxone down to as little as possible, just in case I decide to pick up one day (yeah I know, wonderfull right?). I'm currently I.V'ing, shooting for 1 mg a day, which I achieved yesterday with good results.

sniffing also has the benifit that it lasts almost as long as SL, wheras shooting it does not last very long. I kind of like fixing up multiple times a day, but sometimes it can be a bitch. SL though, in my oppinion is the most horrible ROA simply because I cannot take the taste of this shit. Seriously, I know when they designed these pills they probably thought they would make them taste delicious to further deter addicts from trying to abuse them, but that plan really backfired. That taste just lingers and lingers for hours on end! Sometimes I start dry heaving from SL, so nowadays I don't even feel bad really about taking it other ways. I feel like I've been forced to!

I agree. SL is terrible and tastes like ass. I'll dry heave right along side of you. I always dose low well, can even though I am on subs, I cheat when I can, almost once a week.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I was without without Subutex for a relatively long time. I stopped counting days at the 20th day.

I did quite a lot low quality speed in 24h with a friend. We run out it of about 10h ago and the comedown was horrendous. I just coudn't resist buying a tiny amount of Subutex to get anxiety relief and to mask the comedown symptoms. The friend of mine happened to cut a 2mg slice out the tablet so that's what i paid for (not that many euros). I justified this afterwards to myself by allowing myself to use buprenorphine in such extreme situations. I'm now very much intoxicated but already feeling that i'm cheating/lying to myself. Have to think this whole thing through again when i sober up. I am aware that i'm playing with fire here and how easily I could slip back to daily use.

I shot up half of what i got (1mg) which lead to an almost instant relief to how i was feeling, both mentally and physicallly. I still have a pre-prepped syringe with as much buprenorphine as in the earlier shot. I'm thinking of shooting it up when i've had some sleep. I will probably still feel a bit rough at that point. Now i'm feeling extremely euphoric, mellow, warm, cozy and relaxed. I believe the sudden change from the agony the the to smooth buprenorphine high adds up to the euphoria.

I would lie if claimed that I haven't had a thought of shooting subutex hundreds of times earlier. I really do hope that this relapse doesn't get me back 2 square 1.

Well, think about it this way. If you were able to abstain from using buprenorphine when you weren't coming down from speed, then I don't think this is going to re-lead you back into a relapse. The reason being that most people would do whatever drug was available to them when they're coming down from speed (low quality probably aggravating the situation).

Plus when you say "lots" that makes me think you did more than most people would. I guess if you can stay away from speed for a while, then you should also be fine without buprenorphine.

Good luck!

well, the ceiling dose is usually much lower than 32 mg. I think that it probably levels off somewhere around 8-16 mg though some people may find 32 mg to produce more effect than 16.

This also varies depending on what ROA you are using. Sublingual BA is about 30% according to the statistics here, so shooting 2.4 mg is equivalent to the sublingual 8 mg.
The reason people were telling you to use lower dosages, I believe, is because you were talking about I.M'ing or I.V'ing your subs if I remember correctly... shooting 8 mg would be = to roughly 32 mg sublingual. So if you are one of the people that gets more effect up to 32 mg, than yeah, I suppose 8 mg could be ok, but just remember, you'll gain tolerance fast, and after probably 2 days, it wont do shit, other than relieve withdrawals.
Most people, (myself included) find buprenorphine only really produces a buzz when you lower your tolerance significantly. Before I relapsed recently, I was shooting about .15 mg at a time, and I can say that it definately gave me a better effect than when I was shooting even 2 mg a day. I've heard people say that the reason for this is that more norbuprenorphine (the metabolite responsible for euphoria) is able to take effect at lower dosages,, because there is less buprenorphine to antagonize it, whereas at higher dosages, the buprenorphine sort of cancels it out. I'm not sure how true this is, but it makes sense if you think about it. If I'm giving out false information guys, feel free to correct me.

I just browsed over what you said, I don't have the attention span to read every word of it right now. It sounds about good, I would just point out that "equivalent doses", varying upon the ROA, can be different person to person. Some people get more or less out of a given ROA. For example, I think some people get more out of snorting buprenorphine than others (it's more potent and/or longer lasting to them).

I think what you said is mostly correct though.

Suboxone pills in Spain are white, the same hexagonal shape but white. I think it's the same flavour "lemon-lime" (awful by the way, and I love lime-lemonade).
I was firstly prescribed 4mg/day (low habit of H, but I coudn't mantain by the money and the horrible holes and scars in my veins, I live with my parents, no job... u_u), and then I decided to taper to 2mg/day, because I was starting to IV it, then I read older suboxone megathreads and try with lower dosage and I realised that with doses betwen 0.7-0.3 mg the "full" effects come much earlier and were better.
Actually I'm trying to quit IVing (so fucking hard for me, maybe because sometimes I use to mix with 15-30mg of zolpidem and IVed it gives some sensations that I really like, or maybe because simply I like it and it's hard to leave that "ritual"..) and try to snort 1mg or 2mg sublingual.
My 2 cents.

Good luck Beerman! I agree that lower doses have better effects, as I am now down to 0.05mg per dose (but it will still also probably be hard for me to quit overall).

Feel free to keep us updated.

Quick question:
I have been on subs (16 mg/day) for about 6 months. I haven't dosed in 48 hours so is that long enough to skip it if I want to take some morphine or should I wait another day?

I would try to get to 72 hours at the very least, but it varies from person to person. Good luck!

I only used 1.25mg of sub yesterday snorted. I dosed at 9:30am and went to bed around midnight. I was pleasantly surprised how well that held me and how I felt the whole day. This morning I only dosed .5mg and feel great. Don't know why I am posting this, but just wanted to put it on paper.

Yeah, buprenorphine is a very potent drug. Glad to hear it's working out for you too. %)

now im getting addicted to sticking things up my butt, great. my needle fixation is gone and so are my tracks but the urge to re dose several times a day is still here, knowing it wont do much. fucking hate it.

i cant IV it because i made a vow to myself that i would not. i took it SL one day and was like fuck this, it barely works and it tastes sooooo bad. its just such a waste. so i started sniffing and i remembered i still had a rig that i had broken the needle off of in an attempt to stop slamming. light bulb flashes that i can plug it with this rig. and here i am. i feel like a failure that i still cant take the shit as prescribed but FUCK IT. i never have. it tastes like shit and you just waste it. so i want to see if i can take really small doses like i used to with IV. i just assumed 2mg butt shots would be good since she gives me 4mg a day and i dont have control over my monthly usuage i just use it all. i am going to start trying 1mg (intra rectal, bwahahaha) tomorrow. thing is i like coffee in the morning and i dont like plugging it unless im cleaned out. wish i could just swallow it like a normal fucking pill. no way could i do take home methadone, i fucking abuse my fucking take home suboxone!!!

but i could always make it last by IVing it. if the BA of rectal is only 10% less than IV then i should be able to dose like i used to, right? .3mg here, 1mg there, maybe .5mg if i feel like it at night. i miss that. so im going to try it like that. i can feel when it kicks in this way but not like the light wave of IV. id shoot it, go to smoke and by the time i was taking my first drag(after 10 mins of cleaning up and walking outside) i could feel the little calm and feel right in my skin again. i feel that still i guess, so fuck it. ill just try smaller doses. 4mg is a lot to have a day so i should be able to play around like i used to. now just with my butt and without a needle on the end of that barrel. sigh. what a feind i am.

Don't feel bad about it, as hellocatastrophe and I have said, there are negative side effects with the sublingual ROA (vomiting) - I have seen it in other people (vomiting daily from it, taken sublingually) which is why we've moved on to ROA's which don't present that problem for me.

I still get nauseous as hell from it but I don't vomit anymore which is good.

Vomiting daily can present enough bile to erode away at your enamel, which isn't good for one's dental hygiene.

If you aren't IVing it, then that's great! If plugging works for you, stick with it. The point of ORT is to stick with ORT and not relapse, if you're managing to do that, then that's great! Try to feel good about how you've done thus far, even if you're still ambivalent about it.

 

[hellocatastrophe]

Try to feel good about how you've done thus far, even if you're still ambivalent about it.

this is what's important- what you have accomplished!
i used to use 150mg of oxycodone everyday. when i didn't have my dose i was horrid and cried and screamed at my fiance until my next fix. disgusting right? even though i haven't completely kissed opiates goodbye (i still use 1-3 times a week), i have made a lot of progress and do feel good about it. i've managed to get my habit down to only 60-75mg a day when i do use, and if i only get one dose i don't have a major fit about it (which is an all around plus). nowadays i take my highs for what they're worth and try not to think about it. i'm not using my suboxone as prescribed, but it's working for me and that is what counts. it's gotten me out of my shitty daily using routine and i generally feel better. i'm still working on the whole cheating thing, but i wasn't ready to quit, i just couldn't afford it anymore. however, i'm realizing that i don't enjoy getting high as much anymore and i'm looking forward to getting my life back. i know for a fact that i wouldn't be able to make this transition without suboxone. keep thinking positive and focus on your accomplishments, the rest will fall into place with time. these things don't happen overnight! good luck to you

 

[Ashley26]

Hey guys! Hope everyone is well long time no talk. I'm still not back on subs, in the using cycle. I am trying to quit smoking cigs now thoug! Should be hard as hell.

Quick question though, what is the street sale price of subs anyways? Sorry if that's not allowed or something but didn't know where else to ask and I thought this crew would know!

 

[mike_indy_317]

Whats up everyone I dont know about snorting my subs because I used to snort everything and I think my nose is messed up so I just put it under the tounger. I guess thats not a good way to take it,I dont care about the taste I care about if im getting the whole pill.

Im doin ok its just i get 53 instead of 60 so I run out because I keep taking them like I have 60,but everythings cool right now but I might get drug tested again when I go in there and Ill fail for pot unless I can clean myself up soon.


I also heard that if you snort the subs for awhile then thats the only way they will work and then they wont work under the tounge I dont know if thats true though. I think im going to give my doctor another chance and go there next month because it might be hard to get a sub doctor all over again.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey guys! Hope everyone is well long time no talk. I'm still not back on subs, in the using cycle. I am trying to quit smoking cigs now thoug! Should be hard as hell.

Quick question though, what is the street sale price of subs anyways? Sorry if that's not allowed or something but didn't know where else to ask and I thought this crew would know!

We're not supposed to tell you () but you can see in the 2010 Price Thread what they go for.

Quitting tobacco is a good #1 to start on! Good luck Ashley! I hope that works out for you.

Whats up everyone I dont know about snorting my subs because I used to snort everything and I think my nose is messed up so I just put it under the tounger. I guess thats not a good way to take it,I dont care about the taste I care about if im getting the whole pill.

Im doin ok its just i get 53 instead of 60 so I run out because I keep taking them like I have 60,but everythings cool right now but I might get drug tested again when I go in there and Ill fail for pot unless I can clean myself up soon.


I also heard that if you snort the subs for awhile then thats the only way they will work and then they wont work under the tounge I dont know if thats true though. I think im going to give my doctor another chance and go there next month because it might be hard to get a sub doctor all over again.

I would stay with the sublingual route. I would also look for another Suboxone doctor, because it's easier than having to jump through extra hoops.

 

[mike_indy_317]

Hey whats up wheres everyone at this place has been dead for awhile.

 

[Znegative]

^yeah, I noticed that the other day too.

well, I've managed to lower my tolerance from 50 mg opana->16 mg suboxone->1 mg suboxone In the span of one week. The first three days were horrible, and the suboxone didn't help much, so I resolved to throw them out in a fit of fury. Then my mom refilled my prescription, so I vowed to just taper, and that's where I'm at now. It is really shocking how quickly you can lower your dosage.

 

[whitecat]

I've been snorting 1mg sub every day for 2 years. The high is basically gone (when I first started I was snorting like .009mg a day and was nodding off like crazy). I'm feeling ready to start coming off it and was wondering if anyone had experienced easing wd with vicodin. I've got a bunch and was thinking of trying to make this happen in the least painful way. It's either that or start bangin it to try to find that rad old high I used to get. Any input would be greatly appreciated. I'm new here so I don't have any friends yet.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

Quick question:
I have been on subs (16 mg/day) for about 6 months. I haven't dosed in 48 hours so is that long enough to skip it if I want to take some morphine or should I wait another day?

and ur not in WDs? if u are then how are u putting the option for another day? JW

 

[Znegative]

I've been snorting 1mg sub every day for 2 years. The high is basically gone (when I first started I was snorting like .009mg a day and was nodding off like crazy). I'm feeling ready to start coming off it and was wondering if anyone had experienced easing wd with vicodin. I've got a bunch and was thinking of trying to make this happen in the least painful way. It's either that or start bangin it to try to find that rad old high I used to get. Any input would be greatly appreciated. I'm new here so I don't have any friends yet.

I'm just wondering, how were you even able to snort .009 mg? did you do water measurements and then spray it up your nose??? That's pretty cool that that low dosage would get you fucked up!

shoolameet,
I would stick it out another day at least before doing the morphine. Wait until you're in withdrawal, then dose the morphine, and you'll feel it. If your taking high dosages, it's best to wait as long as possible before doing a full agonist.

 

[PillPoppingAnimal]

is this possible?

say ur trying to quite oxy, ur body would WD it 3 days if CT...

if u (as u woud to take sub) wait til the oxys outta ur body, in WDs, take ur sub

ok, so u only take it for 3 days...than just drop it (i would say range from 3-6 days)

u think ur body would be over the oxycodone, but not yet even able to get addicted to the bupe yet?

has this theory been said b4?

i mean ive heard of people thinking u can take one bupe pill and never WD again but thats still differernt

 

[nchantrez]

questions!

Hi guys I have some quick questions.
I have been on a heavy vicodin addiction for almost 2 years. I just got back from my doc and he rx'd me 16mg x day suboxone (the 8mg pills) to be dissolved under the tongue.
I told him that I have been 24 hours off the vics but that wasn't true but I plan to stop taking them tonight and start the suboxone tomorrow evening!

Can you just tell me how I will feel when I start the sub?
1) How many days will it take for me to feel "normal" on the suboxone?
2) Will I still have the vicodin withdrawal symptoms but less with the suboxone in my system?
3) Will I have insomnia / trouble sleeping?

4) very important question: lets say this sub really works for me - what should I tell my doc to make him understand I will probably need this for at least a year.

I would really appreciate your input on these questions