Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[fm1983]

How come some of you use Water Method? is because the U.S lot dont have the 0.4mg and 0.2mg sub?s...Also wouldnt it be more hard to come off bup if your going the I.V root then Sublingiually? whats the differences here? thanks.

In the US, we have 2mg & 8mg suboxone pills. I don't know if subutex has the same dosages or not.

When you IV bupe, you need a fraction of the dose you normally would. I don't IV mine, so I don't have a good conversation of sublinugal-vs-IV, but someone will chime in with that.

 

[Znegative]

yeah, I just bought a ton of new rigs today, 30 gauge (didn't have thirty one) I'm going to taper myself down with these. I have a box of loperamide at home, and am going to start replacing some of my bupe dosages with these. That will at least cut down on the amount of times needles are going into my arm. I like you needlejuice, don't really have as much "track marks" as I do scar tissue. There's like a bright red scar/bump that is about an inch long on the crook of my arm, and then another scar further down towards my wrist.

I was so fucking paranoid today at my job training. I came in wearing long sleeves, and then they made me change into short sleeve shirt. The whole time I had my one hand on my hip, twisting the forearm in absurd ways, never extending my arm. I actually was shaking when I came back to the coffee bar from the bathroom because I was so sure I'd get noticed for the junky I am. I was just imagining my trainer looking down at my arms and going "I'm sorry sir, but I don't think this job is going to work out for you, I hear there's a real good porno shop hiring down on 42nd though..."

anyways..
In regards to I.V bupe being harder to withdrawl from.. This is debatable. The thing with I.V bupe, is that the withdrawls kick in quicker, but I actually prefer that, because then I imagine they would end quicker. If your shooting as much as you take as prescribed, say shooting 8 mg a day, yes your withdrawls will be worse, because only about 30% of that 8mg is absorbed when you sublingual, as opposed to the 100% BA of I.V. To counter this though, I just do the math, and find what dose I would like to be on sublingual, and multiply that by .3, and I get the ammount of bupe I will I.V in a day. As of now, I'm doing .2 and .1 shots, I've said earlier, I can even feel a .05 shot. I'm shooting usually a total of .9 -1 mg a day, which is roughly equal to 3 mg sublingual.

I will say, that I.V bupe is a lot more addictive, at least to me. It's the same as sublingual as far as physical addiction goes really, but the psychological addiction is stronger. I honestly wouldn't recomend it to most people, unless they're finding it impossible to stay off heroin/ other I.V drugs. That was the situation I've been in, and injecting subs has taken away a lot of cravings, but it's also counterproductive to the purpose that suboxone has been prescribed to me. I honestly don't know why they don't just prescribe buprenorphine as injectable ampules for opiate replacement treatment, instead of just for pain. I think it should at least be an option, because people are going to shoot there subs no matter what the manufacturers throw in it, and no matter what the doctors tell you.

quite honestly, my goal right now is to detox of the suboxone, and then to use it every once in a while in the future when I have cravings. I'm just sick of being addicted, and I figure if I'm going to relapse in the future, it would be better to be on something like buprenorphine than heroin or cocaine.

 

[Heroin Girl]

In regards to tracks anything with Arnica is amazing. I use Arnicare, which usually has supplements with it, as well. I scar easily and have to dig around a lot, and it's totally saved my arms/hands/legs.

 

[Georgie25]

How do you prep suboxone for IV use? I have the 8mg name brand pills..I've never shot a pill before but miss the needle very much and would like to use one every now and then when I take my subs. Do you just crush and add to a spoon, throw a cotton in and hit it? Is it just like doing a shot dope or what are the steps?

 

[Znegative]

yeah, you can find detailed info on it here if you search, there's a whole thread on it. Anyway, it's best to use a micron filter, but I don't, though I plan on investing in some soon. You just crush it up, and chop it into very fine powder, and add water. I believe it is 16mg/1mL (thats the maximum amount you can disolve in 1 mL). Like I said above, if your taking 8mg a day, you don't want to shoot nearly that much. 8mg/ day is equivalent to about 2.4 mg/day (if my math is correct). I equate like this: sublingual amount x .3 = I.V amount. However, since the duration is less time, you'll want to break your daily dosage up into a couple of shots. I usually shoot .2 mg about 4-5 times a day. From what I've seen and read, missing shots of suboxone or subutex can be really disastrous if you're not using a micron filter. I so far haven't had any problems with my health, but it does become pretty addicting, and you might not want to get into it, because it's going to be a lot harder to go back to taking it sublingually. The rush is really not anything to write home about, IMO, I just like having the instant effect and relief. Plus, I hate the taste of that shit!!

 

[Georgie25]

yeah, you can find detailed info on it here if you search, there's a whole thread on it. Anyway, it's best to use a micron filter, but I don't, though I plan on investing in some soon. You just crush it up, and chop it into very fine powder, and add water. I believe it is 16mg/1mL (thats the maximum amount you can disolve in 1 mL). Like I said above, if your taking 8mg a day, you don't want to shoot nearly that much. 8mg/ day is equivalent to about 2.4 mg/day (if my math is correct). I equate like this: sublingual amount x .3 = I.V amount. However, since the duration is less time, you'll want to break your daily dosage up into a couple of shots. I usually shoot .2 mg about 4-5 times a day. From what I've seen and read, missing shots of suboxone or subutex can be really disastrous if you're not using a micron filter. I so far haven't had any problems with my health, but it does become pretty addicting, and you might not want to get into it, because it's going to be a lot harder to go back to taking it sublingually. The rush is really not anything to write home about, IMO, I just like having the instant effect and relief. Plus, I hate the taste of that shit!!

Thanks for the reply. Main reason im thinking about trying this is only because I am addicted to the needle But yeah, I dont have a micron filter so would just cotton work?

I'm about to try it out right now. I've been taking 4mg a day when I wake up (around 12P.M) and i start feeling onset w/d symptoms around 12 hours afterwards. Like right now it's 1A.m here and every couple minutes I'll have to yawn which is a early w/d symptom indictator for me..

I was thinking about tryin a low dose (like .5mg) for my first time shot to test the waters. I'll let yall know how this goes, for science!

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

you should deffinately be micron filtering.. i used to post in this forum all the time but since i stopped IVing my doses i really had nothing to talk about in here. i snort 1-3mg a day now. i used to IV about 1mg a day before. but it was micron filtered with sterile water and 1% benzyl alcohol added to the mix to make it last up to a month, if i wanted it to last longer, just add a little more, but anyway. micron filters are deff a great investment for your health, especially if your IVing everyday, nevermind multiple times a day.. just my .02 %)

 

[Znegative]

.5 is a good dose I think. I use cottons, but HdoubleODeezy is right. Micron filter is ideal. However, if you do it once with a cotton, it wont kill you.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

yeah once with a cotton wont kill you, before i started micron filtering i used cottons a few times and im still here.

 

[Georgie25]

I added .5 of sub and crushed it up as fine as i could and just added 20 units of water and am stirring it up nonstop and still still mad stuff floating around and not dissolving, is that the stuff i want to filter out?

 

[Georgie25]

I just keep getting a bunch of visible floaters in the syringe barrel after drawing up. Im using needle exchange cottons the ones that have the hole on one side and directly fit onto a needle tip called "condom cottons" lol

Nothing huge but definetely i can see it

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

if there is anything "solids" in your syringe you dont wanna shoot it.. but thats my lst bit of info on this matter, im all for microns and dont like not using them with pills, its just asking for trouble.

 

[Georgie25]

Well just refiltered the best I could and shot it, def no rush but am feeling better withdrawal wise. No harm seems to have be done to me

 

[Captain.Heroin]

How come some of you use Water Method? is because the U.S lot dont have the 0.4mg and 0.2mg sub?s...Also wouldnt it be more hard to come off bup if your going the I.V root then Sublingiually? whats the differences here? thanks.

It's because it's exceedingly accurate. Coming off of Suboxone is the furthest thing from my mind, it's not something that's a problem at all.

There's a rush and high with IV buprenorphine for non-opiate tolerant people.

You can also sublingually use a solution with ethanol to boost BA; also known as 6/7's method.

How do you prep suboxone for IV use? I have the 8mg name brand pills..I've never shot a pill before but miss the needle very much and would like to use one every now and then when I take my subs. Do you just crush and add to a spoon, throw a cotton in and hit it? Is it just like doing a shot dope or what are the steps?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=481622 - this is what you want to do ideally.

Lacking this, cotton filtering is about the best you can do. You get the idea. No need to add heat. Draw back the liquid on top through a cotton.

Be very careful not to miss if you're not micron filtering because it will hurt.

If sublingual Suboxone works for you, then I would stick with that. 6/7's method is nice too. I would really recommend avoiding IV Suboxone, unless you're micron filtering (and have the veins/technique for it). I wish I had started micron filtering day 1 when I began IV buprenorphine.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks for the reply. Main reason im thinking about trying this is only because I am addicted to the needle But yeah, I dont have a micron filter so would just cotton work?

I'm about to try it out right now. I've been taking 4mg a day when I wake up (around 12P.M) and i start feeling onset w/d symptoms around 12 hours afterwards. Like right now it's 1A.m here and every couple minutes I'll have to yawn which is a early w/d symptom indictator for me..

I was thinking about tryin a low dose (like .5mg) for my first time shot to test the waters. I'll let yall know how this goes, for science!

Cotton would filter out something but barely anything (some of the coloring agent, maybe, but definitely not all of it. You'll also filter out povidone k30) so it is worth it to filter w/ a cotton, but you need to micron filter IMO (you don't want to be injecting cornstarch, not worth it)

0.5 mg is more than I use but good luck!

you should deffinately be micron filtering.. i used to post in this forum all the time but since i stopped IVing my doses i really had nothing to talk about in here. i snort 1-3mg a day now. i used to IV about 1mg a day before. but it was micron filtered with sterile water and 1% benzyl alcohol added to the mix to make it last up to a month, if i wanted it to last longer, just add a little more, but anyway. micron filters are deff a great investment for your health, especially if your IVing everyday, nevermind multiple times a day.. just my .02 %)

Glad to hear it Deezy! Do you use a nasal spray solution or snort it in line?

I added .5 of sub and crushed it up as fine as i could and just added 20 units of water and am stirring it up nonstop and still still mad stuff floating around and not dissolving, is that the stuff i want to filter out?

Yes. Cotton will filter it out. I would add at least 60 to 70 units to 0.5mg (if you have 1cc syringes). You should get 50 or so back.

yeah, you can find detailed info on it here if you search, there's a whole thread on it. Anyway, it's best to use a micron filter, but I don't, though I plan on investing in some soon. You just crush it up, and chop it into very fine powder, and add water. I believe it is 16mg/1mL (thats the maximum amount you can disolve in 1 mL). Like I said above, if your taking 8mg a day, you don't want to shoot nearly that much. 8mg/ day is equivalent to about 2.4 mg/day (if my math is correct). I equate like this: sublingual amount x .3 = I.V amount. However, since the duration is less time, you'll want to break your daily dosage up into a couple of shots. I usually shoot .2 mg about 4-5 times a day. From what I've seen and read, missing shots of suboxone or subutex can be really disastrous if you're not using a micron filter. I so far haven't had any problems with my health, but it does become pretty addicting, and you might not want to get into it, because it's going to be a lot harder to go back to taking it sublingually. The rush is really not anything to write home about, IMO, I just like having the instant effect and relief. Plus, I hate the taste of that shit!!

Missing with any pill into the arteries or subcutaneous can incur horrible injection complications. This is why having the technique to be able to do this is key - you need to know you can make your shot. If there's any doubt, do a practice shot.

You always want a brand new needle to IV with (if possible).

You also want to be able to know when you're missing so you can correct what's happening.

I don't find it hard to go back to taking it sublingually, I just prefer to IV it. I have willingly gone 13-18-24 or so hours without dosing just so I could IV it. Even before I was micron filtering. During this time I was in W/D's (I can't think of going into WD's now a days. If I wake up after 12 hours or so of sleep, I just feel good, no WD's) to go that long without it.

I would also avoid taking other drugs (benzos) because I only wanted to IV buprenorphine, not take it sublingually, or use any other drug.

I haven't had any serious injection complications to date, other than missing part of a shot which can get bad. The worst I have had with IV Suboxone is a partial subcutaneous injection (needle slipped out, poked through the back, didn't register fully in the vein and couldn't see - doesn't happen to me but I've seen it happen to others, and finally, if you pull out the needle too soon and some of the shot leaks into the subcutaneous area) which healed after a heat compress.

That's about it. Having good technique, new 31's every time, etc. really helps.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Glad to hear it Deezy! Do you use a nasal spray solution or snort it in line?

snort a line.. i break a 8 into 6 equal pieces and do 1-2 pieces a day.
depends how i feel, if i take tramadol that day i need less suboxone also.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

snort a line.. i break a 8 into 6 equal pieces and do 1-2 pieces a day.
depends how i feel, if i take tramadol that day i need less suboxone also.

Interesting. Have you thought about doing a nasal spray solution? I would just think the Suboxone as is without liquid would irritate my nasal passages. If your nose is fine then go ahead.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Interesting. Have you thought about doing a nasal spray solution? I would just think the Suboxone as is without liquid would irritate my nasal passages. If your nose is fine then go ahead.

nope, my nose is fine, before i was IVing it, i was snorting it for a year and a half so its used to it.. i snort a lot of stuff and have in the past, my nose is like a tank lol. %)

i did do the nasal spray saline thing a while ago tho just to try it, but didnt really care for it.. but i do use saline spray to help keep my nose healthy, and sometimes i even use a nedi pot lol

 

[Georgie25]

Yes. Cotton will filter it out. I would add at least 60 to 70 units to 0.5mg (if you have 1cc syringes). You should get 50 or so back.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

How come so much water? 20 units seemed to work fine, prolly less would have worked as well. I always use less water with any shot I do because it's less risk of missing part of the shot as it takes less time to push the solution all in.

And dont worry I have a very good technique, even if I do re use my needles lots of times. Everyone i know is jealous of me because I can see every single vein on my arms and most of them are pretty big from working out/being tone/on the skinny side. In my 2 years of daily IV dope habit I can count on 1 hand the ammount of times I've missed and used the same two injection spots the whole time without collapsing veins or missing. IV coke led to more fuck ups though cause you tend to do a lot more shots right after another for hours on end...lol I use 27g cause thats all the exchange carries, never had any problems with them.

But yeah I doubt im gonna make IVing my subs a habit, besides soothing my needle fixation nothing really of benefit was added by the experience.

 

[JamtasticX]

I still use dope, while being on subs. So I guess I get my needle fix in that way. Would like to just be off the opiates completely, and just be able to use to get high, but eh.