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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Ah ok, its a bit misleading than to say DHC is "in between", its a lot weaker than I thought.


And thanks heroin girl, I appreciate the response.

Well, despite appearing weak, it doesn't have a ceiling dose like codeine, so that in itself makes it much more abusable and puts it in the category with hydrocodone more than codeine.
 
Ok, I'm thinking that perhaps the naloxone DOES take a little bit of effect at certain doses. For instance, when I shoot .25 mg I feel the suboxone within 2 minutes, tops. But if I up it to .5 it seems to take a good ten minutes sometimes (no I didn't miss the shot either). I don't believe it has a real effect on whether you feel the bupe, but is it possible that at certain dosages, it starts to impact the time in which it takes effect?


ive been a believer of this theory for awhile. when i was shooting more than 1mg i def notcied thr difference between suboxone and subutex. so does everyone in my town. thats why everyone buy subutex but nobody wants any suboxone. its a better rush for anyone on a higher dose of bupe.
 
haha, I once read something on here that said they hated suboxone because it looked "gay as shit".

Yeah, I got to try out some tex, but fuck ,I dont even know anyone else who's on suboxone.
 
Suboxone / Subutex - Withdrawal Fears & Tapering Help

Hey all,
I just started subutex therapy yesterday. I was doing 120-180mg of Oxycodone a day beforehand and it has been able to curb my withdrawals so far but definately does not curb my cravings to get high... right now, for instance, I would do anything for some OC but I know I wont even feel it so I am not gonna waste the money. I suppose that is a good thing--- I would never be able to fight this craving otherwise.

The first day I got it I took 10mg right off the bat--- it made me dizzy and totally wigged me out and made sick. Perhaps that was partly the precip. w/d. Anyway, today at 3pm I took 4mg and it seemed to keep me cool, but that could have been some of the the previous days dose still in the blood.

Anyway--- my questions:

1.) ---Anyone have experience doing this-- Using it as a taper substance instead of a long-term maintanance drug? I heard subuxone can cause a month of miserable withdrawal for some... I dont think I'd handle that and end up using OC during that time to alleviate it :(

Do you guys think if I taper down from 4mg as QUICK as possible, I can endure some mild withdrawal for awhile then finally end up with a lesser withdrawal than I would if I went cold turkey from OC? I want to be off subs by the end of the month.

IT is easier for me to taper with SUBS than OC because with OC I get tempted to do more than I am supposed to and screw up my taper schedule time and time again.

2.) Can any of you tell me your experience tapering from subs? Has it ever actually been used successfuly to minimize a withdrawal or does everyone just get addicted to it and end up with weeks and months of withdrawal misery...?

Thank you guys! Any experiences with Subs or tips of how to get clean wtih them I would really appreciate. Tonight, the 4mg I took earlier wasnt enough to keep me happy at night so I took some xanax and feel tolerable. I think xanax might be the magic drug to help people endure the "minor" withdrawals that occur with tapering. That being said-- one last questions:

3.) Do you think my doctor will sympathize with me and prescribe me some xanax to help me wiht the withdrawals? It really helps me, but I am afraid they will just think im trying to get more drugs. Anyone have trouble/success asking for this from their sub doctor?
 
Hey can someone who owns a scale (mg preferably) tell me how much a 8mg Suboxone pill weighs?

My friend has 5 of them but he said they're all broken up so I want to be able to dose correctly. Thanks.

Each 8mg Suboxone tablet weighs about 394mg. I don't have an MG scale, but I don't need one. I have an accurate 0.1g scale, and I weighed 30 of them, using the bottle with the pills, then subtracting the weight of the bottle.
 
^So then 8mg Suboxone tablets are approximately 1:50 bupe to other ingredients... Useful to know. Next time I am in the position to, I will take a small line the size that I usually snort, around 0.2mg or so, and weigh it on a mg scale and divide by 50 to get a pretty good estimate of how big the dose really is.
 
yeah, this kind of brings up something I've been thinking about lately. In pills, are the active ingrediants just thrown in there amidst a ton of rubbish, or are small amounts equally bound to all that crap. I imagine it's the latter, because otherwise it would mean that the majority of the time I was just shooting up orange food coloring and corn starch.
 
Hey guys it was suggested to me to stop by this thread. I'm hoping someone can give me an opinion on a pretty quick taper.

I've been banging a lot of dope over the past few months, up to a bundle a day. I managed to get myself down to about 6 bags a day. I came to the conclusion that I need a serious change in my life. I'm getting married in Dec. then plan on having kids pretty quickly after that. My girl has no idea. I mean she knows somethings wrong between the dry mouth, the pupils, and the non existent sex drive. I have a pretty good life and i'm really close to fucking it up because of the dope. I can't believe I got so heavy into the junk. I never though I would be the one to IV drugs.

Here's where I need the help. I have 9 more 8mg suboxones left. Can someone recommended a taper? Ideally I would love minimum wd's but I know that i'll probably have some.

I appreciate the help.
 
^I recommend tapering to the smallest amount that you comfortably can, as fast as you comfortably can, so that you can do the last stage of the taper at a decently slow speed. If you get forced to stop because you run out, that will be the worst case scenario, IME. Cutting down to 1-2mg should not be difficult... It is that last 1mg or so that is especially difficult for most.

If you start to see that you're running low and need to strech your supply, snorting the drug causes a nearly 2x increase in absorption, so it really helps conserve when you need to.

Bupe is an incredibly strong drug and is active at doses smaller than 0.2mg. Keep this in mind when planning your taper.

In summary, get down to 1-2mg as fast as you comfortably can, then spread out the left-over until you're taking like 0.2mg every other day, or even every third day, and then drop off completely. This will allow for as smooth of a transition as you can hope for.

Good luck, and feel free to ask any questions.
 
^So then 8mg Suboxone tablets are approximately 1:50 bupe to other ingredients... Useful to know. Next time I am in the position to, I will take a small line the size that I usually snort, around 0.2mg or so, and weigh it on a mg scale and divide by 50 to get a pretty good estimate of how big the dose really is.

Yes, Suboxone is ~ 2% buprenorphine. 98% cut. Interesting when you think about it like that huh?

ive been a believer of this theory for awhile. when i was shooting more than 1mg i def notcied thr difference between suboxone and subutex. so does everyone in my town. thats why everyone buy subutex but nobody wants any suboxone. its a better rush for anyone on a higher dose of bupe.

I think you get a better rush with a lower tolerance. Suboxone works just the same as Subutex at < 0.2mg per shot. That's the amounts of it I was using when I got to try Subutex. One 8mg pill lasted me roughly 2 weeks. %)
 
^While we're on this theme, I'll go ahead and say that at the lowest doses I can maintain on (<0.2mg snorted), If I dose in the morning, I'll be fine till bed, around when I'll start to get a little achy. By the time I wake up in the morning, I'm ready to go straight for the bupe, though! At higher doses, the uncomfortableness doesn't set in this quickly for me, I should note.
 
i withdrawal from bupe everyday now and when i IV it it only helps for about 2 to 3 hours

I feel you brother. For me it's not quite that bad, usually start feeling uncomfortable by the 4th hour. I'm just trying to tough it out, it get's easier. The worst though is waking up in the morning. I feel so shitty then, but that morning shot feels that much better too. I'm still riding that wave.

When you sniff it it does last a lot longer I agree. I did it the other day, and I found it really unpleasant, though I suppose I'm spoiled from I.V. But 1 mg lasted me the whole day.
 
yeah, this kind of brings up something I've been thinking about lately. In pills, are the active ingrediants just thrown in there amidst a ton of rubbish, or are small amounts equally bound to all that crap. I imagine it's the latter, because otherwise it would mean that the majority of the time I was just shooting up orange food coloring and corn starch.

If the pill is scored, you can be guaranteed that it has an equal amount in each piece. Other than that, there is no certainty that it is uniform throughout, though many pill pressing machines use a uniform mixture to begin with. I don't think this is the case with Suboxone, though, as you can clearly see differing shades of orange throughout the pill. I think it is fairly well spread out throughout the Suboxone pill still, but not perfectly.
 
^^^ That's interesting this came up. I've noticed the past few times when preparing my sub for insufflation there is definitely two shades of orange in there. Mostly lighter orange, and little specks of darker orange. I've wondered if the dark orange is the actual suboxone - and the rest is filler.
 
Hey all,
I just started subutex therapy yesterday. I was doing 120-180mg of Oxycodone a day beforehand and it has been able to curb my withdrawals so far but definately does not curb my cravings to get high... right now, for instance, I would do anything for some OC but I know I wont even feel it so I am not gonna waste the money. I suppose that is a good thing--- I would never be able to fight this craving otherwise.

The first day I got it I took 10mg right off the bat--- it made me dizzy and totally wigged me out and made sick. Perhaps that was partly the precip. w/d. Anyway, today at 3pm I took 4mg and it seemed to keep me cool, but that could have been some of the the previous days dose still in the blood.

Anyway--- my questions:

1.) ---Anyone have experience doing this-- Using it as a taper substance instead of a long-term maintanance drug? I heard subuxone can cause a month of miserable withdrawal for some... I dont think I'd handle that and end up using OC during that time to alleviate it :(

Do you guys think if I taper down from 4mg as QUICK as possible, I can endure some mild withdrawal for awhile then finally end up with a lesser withdrawal than I would if I went cold turkey from OC? I want to be off subs by the end of the month.

IT is easier for me to taper with SUBS than OC because with OC I get tempted to do more than I am supposed to and screw up my taper schedule time and time again.

2.) Can any of you tell me your experience tapering from subs? Has it ever actually been used successfuly to minimize a withdrawal or does everyone just get addicted to it and end up with weeks and months of withdrawal misery...?

Thank you guys! Any experiences with Subs or tips of how to get clean wtih them I would really appreciate. Tonight, the 4mg I took earlier wasnt enough to keep me happy at night so I took some xanax and feel tolerable. I think xanax might be the magic drug to help people endure the "minor" withdrawals that occur with tapering. That being said-- one last questions:

3.) Do you think my doctor will sympathize with me and prescribe me some xanax to help me wiht the withdrawals? It really helps me, but I am afraid they will just think im trying to get more drugs. Anyone have trouble/success asking for this from their sub doctor?


Based on my experience... and a lot of others over at the subox talkzone forum, you should be fine at 4mg and will probably be able to taper quickly to 1-2mg. Thats where the difficult part starts. If you're just now getting on subs and want to detox... the quicker the better. The longer you're on this drug the worse your wd's will be. Thats assumming you weren't on a high tolerance daily opiate habit for a long period before coming to subs. If thats the case... that will carry over to your subs wd. But still... the longer you take subs, the more difficult the wd.

I was on methadone [most recently] 15+ yrs and switched to 12mg subs. I hate it and tapered to .25mg and tried to drop and couldn't handle it. I didn't use any comfort meds though. So now i'm on .75mg and hope to taper down to .10 - .20mg and then drop off with diazapam , clonodone, and ultram. Thats the plan but who knows if I can or will carry it out.

If you can handle it... taper as quickly as possible and make the drop shortly thereafter.
 
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