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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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yeah ashla, I think it's common, that when you first take suboxone you get a nice little buzz off it, and being an addict, you assume taking more suboxone will get you a better buzz. However suboxone seems to be one of the few drugs where less is more. I take a total of 1 mg a day, and I get a way better buzz out of it then I did when I was at 16 mg. It does suck to be sick though, and I feel you. I've been waking up feeling wretched every day for the last two weeks. I think I'm still adjusting to this 1 mg. Anyway, best of luck. shooting adderall sucks, but it seems everyone needs to try it once to convince themselves of this!
 
I'm just curious what you guys think, I'm down to 4mgs now daily of subutex, down from 16mgs originally 10 1/2 months ago, I didn't have a hard time getting down to 4mg at all~mentally I did, but physically I didn't. I still just can't make myself believe 100% that less is more, although I KNOW it is from reading so much, here, there, and everywhere lol

After reading through, I'm thinking that once I get down to 2mg, would I get better results breaking it up & snorting it rather than sublinqual? I'm not necessarily trying to get 'high', since I don't really ever feel high off sub, no matter how high or low the dose. I can say I honestly feel better when taking it sublinqually than the times I did snort it. I just want to make it last as long as possible, and I read that the B/A is better snorting, than sublinqual? Is this a correct assumption? I also need to make these last as long as possible, so I need to find a way that the B/A will be the best, using as little as possible. Only because it's looking like I'm going to be forced to get the R&B subs, since the generics are truly gone for now. Hoping it will be simple to get to 2mgs, but I'd like to be even lower if possible. From what I can tell the B/A is the best IV, but for me I don't think that's an option. I have never IV'd anything, & I'd prefer not to start now :( Thanks for any help or thoughts!
 
Thanks for the reply one of you.

I started to take the kratom when i was 1mg. That time i didn't have any sub left as i wanted to taper so basically just got hold of the kratom and it didnt do anything. I realized that no matter what you take you still have to deal with paws. Its not so much the intesity of sub withdrawals but duration of them. I dont see the point of taking kratom instead of sub because when you come off the kratom you still have to deal with the effects of sub dont you i.e paws. I just didnt feel right when i took the kratom. I took it for 2 months and hated it.Even mroe so afterwards. People say best bet is to to wean down low as possbile and excercise. I got enough sub to do this. If anything they say your're better off using dihydrocodeine to get off sub as that is give to methadone patients.

Anyway i just wanted to know if it was possible i wont suffer too much if i taper slow and skip days at the end. I got 3 weeks worth of temgescis 0.2mg and about 300 0.4mg subutex aswell as many 2mgs and also 8mgs. Also the comfort meds i mentioned.

P.S can you alternate between tramadol and dihydrocodeine? meaning take dihydrocodeine for 2 days then take tramadol for 2 days and keep doing this for few weeks? to get off sub i mean. Also how can on lower their dose with tramadol if they are caspules? buy empty capsules? but where from?

cheers!.
 
destiny_days said:
. People say best bet is to to wean down low as possbile and excercise. I got enough sub to do this. If anything they say your're better off using dihydrocodeine to get off sub as that is give to methadone patients.
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Good luck with everything. I'm currently on day 3 of no-bupe after I jumped off at around 0.1 MG. Supposedly day 3 is supposed to be the worse; I hope it is. I feel relatively fine, lots of psychological craving though. Physically, no RLS, no stomach stuff (knock on wood).

In regards to your statement about exercise and using a shorter acting opiate to help. This is what I did. I jumped off bupe at 0.5 MG after 2 years of use, went on Hydrocodone for 5 weeks, and went back on bupe to do a month long detox. Got my dose down to 0.1mg with skip-days, and I was exercising my ass off, taking vitamins, and eating right. I'd highly recommend jumping on to a shorter acting opiate for a month or even two, THEN back onto bupe and doing a 3 week or month long detox with bupe. Exercise, activity and positive attitude have been necessary. I think that's what is keeping me well right now. I can't answer your Q about DHC or Tramadol as I have limited experience. BUT with Tramadol's SSRI-like effects I wouldn't fuck with it for too long. I'd do Hydrocodone 5/500s instead
 
Is hydrocodone simmilar to Dihydrocodeine?..I only got 80 tablets of Dihydrocodeine and about 100 tablets of Co-Codamol. Is it possible to alternate with these 2?.

Am not sure i agree with about going back to sub after coming off. Whats the logic behind that? isn't it like setting urself back again?..If the bup is out of ur system then why go back on it?..If ur going to SAO then why not just taper the SAO? or take clonidine after tapering the SAO instead of going back to Buprenorphine?...If u going to jump from 0.1mg of bup then why go back on bup and do it again?..I dont get it.
 
Anyone know if sub can cause pwd after using kratom? I've always wondered about this and I have to know for my own well being too.
 
destiny_days said:
Is hydrocodone simmilar to Dihydrocodeine?..I only got 80 tablets of Dihydrocodeine and about 100 tablets of Co-Codamol. Is it possible to alternate with these 2?.

Am not sure i agree with about going back to sub after coming off. Whats the logic behind that? isn't it like setting urself back again?..If the bup is out of ur system then why go back on it?..If ur going to SAO then why not just taper the SAO? or take clonidine after tapering the SAO instead of going back to Buprenorphine?...If u going to jump from 0.1mg of bup then why go back on bup and do it again?..I dont get it.
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No I wouldn't say "similar", dihydro is more in between the strength of hydros and codiene.
 
^Roughly speaking, DHC is twice as strong as codeine and hydrocodone is 10x as strong as codeine.
 
Bojangles69 said:
Anyone know if sub can cause pwd after using kratom? I've always wondered about this and I have to know for my own well being too.
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It didn't for me, and I haven't heard of it happening to anyone, but I'd still start with a low sub dose just in case. :)
 
for anyone shooting their bupe with no access to micron filters, this will help.

ive been back-loading at least an inch or two of tiny pieces of coffee filter into a syringe. first, you must put a piece of cotton in the syringe at the bottom, because if u just put coffee filter on the bottom it will clog the needle. use a different needle and suck up the solution like u normally would, then take the plunger out of the filter needle and squirt solution into back end. push down plunger, sometimes you have to push down a little harder than usual.(i do it slow because i feel the filter will catch more this way) i believe this gets rid of probably 5 times more shit than a regular piece of cotton. the solution is completely clear, and whenever i take the coffee filters out of a needle, if im going to put new ones in, all this nasty ass powder comes undone from the filter pieces and it looks and has texture like powdered sugar. it is kind of a hassle but the difference is so shocking that i cant stop. i feel more secure doing this i guess. im still at 1mg a day. hoping next week i can get it down at least 25 percent
 
I was wondering how you got the coffee filter thing to work. I had been trying it, but each time, the needle got clogged. I'll put a cotton down there today too.

To Mandatory,
I think that sniffing and sublingual are pretty similair. I'd sniff over sublingual, but that's just because of the taste. All in all, theres only like a 10% difference in BOA I think. Also, it's smart NOT to I.V your subs if you never shot drugs before. I shoot my suboxone, and I do like it more that way, but part of it is just because I'm as addicted to sticking needles in my veins as I am to hard drugs. Suboxone does not produce a good enough rush IME to make it worth breaking your I.V virginity for.
 
Znegative said:
I think that sniffing and sublingual are pretty similair. I'd sniff over sublingual, but that's just because of the taste. All in all, theres only like a 10% difference in BOA I think.
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We have the equivalency around here that shows that nasal administration is generally much more effective, with a pretty drastic change in absorption.

~30% compared with ~50% bioavailabilities.
 
^ I agree. I snort my subs, and when I have decided to go sublingual, I need close to double the amount I would normally would.
 
still, it's really not that drastic comparing 50% to 30%. Plus, I feel that by the time your switching ROA to get a buzz, you've probably already reached your ceiling effect.

I think that I absorb quite a lot when I sublingual it. Everyone's different, and in my case, I don't really feel that great of a diff. between snorting and sublingual. However, when it comes to shooting, .25 will give me the same effect as 1mg insufflated, and it actually gives me less of the shitty side effects that the other two do (less sedation, dysphoria, etc..) but that's just me, and I know when it comes to suboxone, experiences vary drastically.
 
sorry earlier in this thread when i mentioned the coffee filter i forgot to add you needed a piece of cotton at the bottom. i have done this twice everyday for about a mmonth or two and it hasnt clogged once. and lately ive been using half cc's so they are skinnier but they still work good.
 
Ok, I'm thinking that perhaps the naloxone DOES take a little bit of effect at certain doses. For instance, when I shoot .25 mg I feel the suboxone within 2 minutes, tops. But if I up it to .5 it seems to take a good ten minutes sometimes (no I didn't miss the shot either). I don't believe it has a real effect on whether you feel the bupe, but is it possible that at certain dosages, it starts to impact the time in which it takes effect?
 
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