Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey guys! How is everyone?

Blah. Been better been worse. How are you doing Ashley? %)

 

[SubDude]

Yes, Suboxone is ~ 2% buprenorphine. 98% cut. Interesting when you think about it like that huh?



I think you get a better rush with a lower tolerance. Suboxone works just the same as Subutex at < 0.2mg per shot. That's the amounts of it I was using when I got to try Subutex. One 8mg pill lasted me roughly 2 weeks. %)

I don't understand why you guys iv .2mg of subs on an ongoing basis unless you need to stretch out your supply. I can't imagine you getting anything good from it?? Other than chasing away the wd's. Please let me know why you do this... Maybe I would like suboxone if I shot .2-.5mg. I don't like it sublingually.

BTW... you also must have a really small guage needle along with young and healthy veins to do this over a long period. Most of my good ones collapsed yrs ago.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If the pill is scored, you can be guaranteed that it has an equal amount in each piece. Other than that, there is no certainty that it is uniform throughout, though many pill pressing machines use a uniform mixture to begin with. I don't think this is the case with Suboxone, though, as you can clearly see differing shades of orange throughout the pill. I think it is fairly well spread out throughout the Suboxone pill still, but not perfectly.

I think it's uniformly throughout. Ever since I started micron filtering obviously it makes no difference, but before, all of my shots seemed about equal potency at the same dose. I used to wonder this myself for real though. It doesn't matter anymore now that I'm making batch solutions so I don't want to say one way or the other because I don't know, but overall, I would bet it's homogenized.

I don't understand why you guys iv .2mg of subs on an ongoing basis unless you need to stretch out your supply. I can't imagine you getting anything good from it?? Other than chasing away the wd's. Please let me know why you do this... Maybe I would like suboxone if I shot .2-.5mg. I don't like it sublingually.

BTW... you also must have a really small guage needle along with young and healthy veins to do this over a long period. Most of my good ones collapsed yrs ago.

I'm actually down to 150mcg per shot (0.15mg) and I get a rush and a high out of it. Not everyone does, which is why it might be hard for you to imagine.

And yeah I have great veins, and 31g needle tips. It does make a huge difference IMO, all my veins are still here.

I don't know if you would like IV buprenorphine, some people like it a lot, others don't. If you want to try it, micron filtering is the way to go.

 

[SubDude]

Thanks Captian... could you point me to a good thread on microfiltering? I'll do a search in the meantime.

BTW... Congratulations on getting to .15mg. That is... if you are tapering? If not, I guess you use recreationally... how long have you been using subs? Everyday?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Thanks Captian... could you point me to a good thread on microfiltering? I'll do a search in the meantime.

BTW... Congratulations on getting to .15mg. That is... if you are tapering? If not, I guess you use recreationally... how long have you been using subs? Everyday?

Micron Filtering Mega Thread and FAQ - I created a guide which lays out how to micron filter, step by step, with pictures. I used Suboxone in this example as it's the only thing I micron filter on a regular basis.

I have been tapering for a while. I adjusted my dose back up due to some issues and now I'm on my way back down again. Hopefully this time to stay down there for good.

It's probably closer to recreational instead of medicinal use now a days because I don't get withdrawal symptoms anymore. But it's kind of one and the same IMO.

I've been using Suboxone every day for about... 2 years + now. Haven't used heroin in over 19 months.

 

[SubDude]

You are absolutely one of the lucky ones to be able to use bupe for 2 yrs and still get recreational use from it. I get mine at the VA and they don't normally give subutex unless pregnant or neg history of IV. I have the history in my file from Nam. But... I just got a new dr so I'm hoping to get the switch from suboxone to bupe next visit. In the meantime, I think I might try iv .25mg of subs with your method. I wouldn't think .06 naloxone would do anything negative...

Thanks again!!

 

[Pegasus]

I don't understand why you guys iv .2mg of subs on an ongoing basis unless you need to stretch out your supply. I can't imagine you getting anything good from it?? Other than chasing away the wd's. Please let me know why you do this... Maybe I would like suboxone if I shot .2-.5mg. I don't like it sublingually.

BTW... you also must have a really small guage needle along with young and healthy veins to do this over a long period. Most of my good ones collapsed yrs ago.

I snort 0.2mg and can feel it decently. The first time I actually tried bupe, it was in a nasal spray and it contained 0.2mg / spray. Before Suboxone came out, this was the dose level that buprenorphine was used at as an opiate. It was a 0.2mg nasal spray that I had, but there were 0.2mg sublingual tablets made as well, which works out to be even less of a dose...

 

[SubDude]

WOW... I just finished your micron filter thread. That is incredible instruction guide. It's nice to finally see the right way to do something so prohibitive. I'm 58 yrs old and have never ever seen anything so detailed and valuable... for [addicts] IV use outside a medical office/hosp setting. I actually said to myself WTF... while reviewing. I now understand a little more how you're able to pull off the ongoing IV usage.

 

[Eight0Eight]

I actually got a five-hour nod from todays dose of methadone, never got that from bupe. I don't know how this happens (its happened a few times).

Bupe just made me feel straighter than straight..

 

[SubDude]

I actually got a five-hour nod from todays dose of methadone, never got that from bupe. I don't know how this happens (its happened a few times).

Bupe just made me feel straighter than straight..

Five hrs... You're making me want to back to MMT even more... I think I'm going to try Capn H's micron filtering iv of subs at a low dose of about .25mg first and see if that does anything.

 

[StaffWriter]

Five hrs... You're making me want to back to MMT even more... I think I'm going to try Capn H's micron filtering iv of subs at a low dose of about .25mg first and see if that does anything.

If you're trying to chase a high, you're probably wasting your time. I felt "high" the first and second day after induction then nothing. Just had a lot of energy in the beginning. Now, I've tapered from 16mg down to 2-4mg sublingually and just feel NORMAL. Some mornings I will get a slight euphoric feeling, but nothing overpowering and NOTHING near a nod. You actually have to pay attention to even notice it. IMO, if you want off dope but want to continue to get a "high", go to MMT. If you really want to get clean, do the bupe. Unfortunately, as I've tapered down, I have experienced more cravings and have relapsed several times. I don't know what to do now. Two years of bupe with no insurance and I still cheat. Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever get or stay clean from Fentanyl.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You are absolutely one of the lucky ones to be able to use bupe for 2 yrs and still get recreational use from it. I get mine at the VA and they don't normally give subutex unless pregnant or neg history of IV. I have the history in my file from Nam. But... I just got a new dr so I'm hoping to get the switch from suboxone to bupe next visit. In the meantime, I think I might try iv .25mg of subs with your method. I wouldn't think .06 naloxone would do anything negative...

Thanks again!!

0.25mg is ideal, I think you'll like it. Just be very careful, and I wouldn't really recommend doing it if you aren't used to IVing. IV wise, Subutex and Suboxone are the same effects.

Buprenorphine is a very euphoric drug IMO, it's got a lot of synergy with the right kinds of other drugs.

The naloxone is inert because buprenorphine has a higher binding affinity.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

WOW... I just finished your micron filter thread. That is incredible instruction guide. It's nice to finally see the right way to do something so prohibitive. I'm 58 yrs old and have never ever seen anything so detailed and valuable... for [addicts] IV use outside a medical office/hosp setting. I actually said to myself WTF... while reviewing. I now understand a little more how you're able to pull off the ongoing IV usage.

Thank you! I figured the community here could really use it, and it really has helped a lot of people out. I think it's a shame that needle exchanges in the United States don't hand out micron filters (I know the one closest to me doesn't, and they're a 3 hour trip one way, so... I don't have the ability to go to any other exchanges...haha... I also think the US needs a lot more needle exchanges. It's a shame that they aren't 100% federally funded and mandated in all states by law.) but all in all I am glad that you can still buy them, they are really essential for making an IV solution last you a few weeks.

I noticed a lot of people were telling others to use microns, but no one really had a lot of understanding about what that meant. So I broke it down step by step for people. There are a few different things you can do like pre-filter with cottons (recommended if you're trying to put as many pills through as possible), but with the guide it's pretty easy.

But once again thanks for the positive feedback!

 

[needlejuice]

subdude... how do u feel after u dose your .75mg? as you adjust to lower doses, is the high more pronounced than it was at higher doses?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

just wanna give some more props to CH for the micron filtering mega thread... i learned everything i know about making suboxone solutions from him, only difference is i use benzyl alcohol 1% added. he uses vials that are already bacteriostatic with .9% benzyl alcohol.
its fun to do also :D

 

[Mandatory17]

thank you for answering my questions, a couple pages back. No I will definitely not shoot subs, best bet for me is to stick to what I know lol Sounds like the B/A might be higher nasally though, hopefully that can cut me down to 1-2 mgs. for now instead of 4mgs. At least for now, while the generic subutex situation is resolved.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

just wanna give some more props to CH for the micron filtering mega thread... i learned everything i know about making suboxone solutions from him, only difference is i use benzyl alcohol 1% added. he uses vials that are already bacteriostatic with .9% benzyl alcohol.
its fun to do also :D

This is one of the other extra steps that I left out, because that is certainly just as good if you do it in a sterile environment as I am sure you do. Props to you on getting benzyl alcohol, I'm too lazy to do anything like that. Sounds pro!

And yeah it is fun as hell. %) I really enjoy the process.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i have a whole solution that i made about a week ago that im gonna end up dumping out lol, cuz i switched back to snorting until all this court shits over with for the OUI/DUI w/e it is.. its bullshit thats what it is! i get in trouble for driving on meds that im prescribed? and i didnt even take more than i was supposed to, the cop didnt see me driving, he was waiting at my house for me because he got a call that i was "starting shit" at a local mini mart (my old job) i was joking around with them and they thought i was drunk and called the cops and said i was driving impaired.. bullshit.

EDIT: that was before i threw all my shit out.. (you know what i mean)

 

[jaystyle]

I recently got on Subutex--- the doctor prescribed me 8mg 3X a day! Eeesh! I ended up takjing 10mg the first day and wigged out. Then I did 4mg and over for a few days lowered it to 2mg a day. IT curbs my withdrawals for the most part, but in between my morning and evening dose, sometime around 7-8pm I start feeling a bit anxious for my next one. I figure once I am totally comfortable with 2mg/day, that is when I move down again.

The meds are great in the fact that they do allow me to have a productive, happy, and healthy day free of withdrawals for the most part. Late at night, especially with alcohol, I still get intense cravings for OC though. Anyway, a few questions:

1.) I am at 2-3mg a day now. I managed to get down this low pretty quick (4 days or so). IS that unusual?

2.) I want to taper off SUBs ASAP! Anyone have experience here with tapering successfuly off subs? If you just keep slowly lowering the dose, can you have extremely manageable withdrawals? I think compared to some, my addiction is like a 5 1/2 . Was doing 80-140mg OC/day.

3.) OC cravings --- they are so bad!! I hope they stop or I know I'll give in Excercise helps sometimes... so does Xanax occasionally. Any tips for ignoring cravings? I am happy that subs block the effects of OC or I would have bought them by now big time! It is a great deterrent, knowing I will waste my $$

 

[Znegative]

If you're trying to chase a high, you're probably wasting your time. I felt "high" the first and second day after induction then nothing. Just had a lot of energy in the beginning. Now, I've tapered from 16mg down to 2-4mg sublingually and just feel NORMAL. Some mornings I will get a slight euphoric feeling, but nothing overpowering and NOTHING near a nod. You actually have to pay attention to even notice it. IMO, if you want off dope but want to continue to get a "high", go to MMT. If you really want to get clean, do the bupe. Unfortunately, as I've tapered down, I have experienced more cravings and have relapsed several times. I don't know what to do now. Two years of bupe with no insurance and I still cheat. Sometimes I wonder if I'll ever get or stay clean from Fentanyl.

Well, I thought this too, but it seems that as you taper down really low, you start to feel the high more and more from the subs. I I.V doses of .5-.2 mg at a time, and am definately starting to get a better effect. I've been on methadone too, and the effect I get every day from the subs is better than what I got from methadone when I was stabalized. I still wouldn't call it pure euphoria at all, but I'm hoping one day I can get it to a point where its closer to that. I would be interested to know what Captain Heroin experiences when he doses, if he has the time?