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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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fm1983 said:
Eh, my sub doctor didn't give me the muscle relaxers I was looking for today. He feels they don't work good, and the cons outweigh the perks. Not a big deal, as I truly don't really need them, but it would have been nice to have for the days I am extremely achy and such. He did however, load me up with 60 xanax for the month, which is great.

Today was the day, he writes my first months script, after a trial of a week. I told him I am stable at 16mg a day, when in actuality I am stable on 4mg daily. However, my fiance is also taking the suboxone along with me, and instead of her paying to go as well, we use the over-prescribed extras for her. Which, if people are in the same scenario, (2 addicts) I recommend doing the same thing. Why pay for two people to go, when you know you can get prescribed enough for both of you.
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I am glad your fiancee is managing to use your prescription too. That's similar to my situation, since I have insurance and my fiancee doesn't. Congratulations on getting your first month's prescription. :)

Mystery Brew said:
Please don't "pre-prep". Prep when ever you need it, it doesn't take long.

Prepping and leaving it for a hours gives it alot of time to start forming bacteria. And I don't need to tell you that you will be ill.
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Yeah, without a preservative like benzyl alcohol, you are right - preparing shots and leaving them sit around is a bad idea.

Ashley26 said:
So I'm back to using 100+ mg of oxy a day. Its amazing how your tolerance goes right back to where it was. I think I'm going to go back to the subs. I'm sick of waking up every morning and feeling awful :(
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I'm sorry to hear that Ashley, but I am glad to hear you're going to give Suboxone another shot. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

I'll be rooting for you.
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hye captian,thanks for the reply. My main ? was,Is using subs once in a while just as bad as doin dope once in a while. Cuz i was thinking if i should keep a couple subs around at all times. So if i really wanna use mayb i can just pop a sub instead or is it the same if i just go out n get a bag of dope. Obviously the sub is better then dope but im talkin bout the whole bein clean process does takin a sub sometimes really set u back in your progress in recovery?
thank you
 
@Crimsonjunk: You asked for a second opinion and for what its worth i think HdoubleODeezy gave you some great advice. Only thing i would add is if you're dosing once a day you may feel some slight wd's depending on how much you were using, IME. So IF that happens i wouldn't up the dose i would try to split your dose to twice a day, maybe more if you feel you need it. I know when i first started on subs even on 8mg's once a day about 6-10 hours after my dose i started to feel a little uncomfortable, so i took 4mg's in the morning and the other 4 anywhere from late afternoon to after dinner, pretty much whenever you feel you need it. Just a tip to think about because i think its important to stay on as low a dose as possible especially if you're using it to taper. Good luck!

@totach: I think you were asking CH but either way, i think you would be better off taking a little sub if you have cravings then to go back to dope. Some people don't consider being on subs to be clean, but IMO its a lot better than using your DOC. Are you using it for physical wd's or mental cravings? IME subs don't help much for the mental cravings. IMO its probably in your best interest to stay away from it if you can, but if you really must then its probably the better option. Just keep the dose as low as possible.

Sorry for the long winded response, hopefully its helpful to someone.

Also, i wanted to ask, how can you get an accurate cut on an 8mg pill? I have a pill cutter but once i get down to cutting 1mg it becomes very hard to get an accurate cut, mostly because of the pill's odd shape. Seems like my pieces range from .75 to 1.5. So any tips on how to get a more precise dose are welcome.
 
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totach said:
hye captian,thanks for the reply. My main ? was,Is using subs once in a while just as bad as doin dope once in a while. Cuz i was thinking if i should keep a couple subs around at all times. So if i really wanna use mayb i can just pop a sub instead or is it the same if i just go out n get a bag of dope. Obviously the sub is better then dope but im talkin bout the whole bein clean process does takin a sub sometimes really set u back in your progress in recovery?
thank you
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I think you'll be fine. While buprenorphine can be habit forming, having it on hand would be better than getting heroin for sure. I think it's far less addictive than heroin as well.

As for your recovery, there's really no way to find out until you do it. I think it would be fine for me and other people, but some people might be unable to hold onto a few pills for every now and then. Good luck!
 
^ that's very strange. Opposite of what it does to me, I would get along with Hitler on oxycodone.

Anyway, yeah, the first few days on sub will likely turn you into a psycho maniac. Just try to relax, it does get better with time (I think).
 
Its probably not the sub but just the difficulty of transitioning off of full agonists and possibly some mild PAWS.

Perhaps there are some issues you were effectively numbing with opiates that are coming to the surface now.
 
Lando138 said:
@Crimsonjunk: You asked for a second opinion and for what its worth i think HdoubleODeezy gave you some great advice. Only thing i would add is if you're dosing once a day you may feel some slight wd's depending on how much you were using, IME. So IF that happens i wouldn't up the dose i would try to split your dose to twice a day, maybe more if you feel you need it. I know when i first started on subs even on 8mg's once a day about 6-10 hours after my dose i started to feel a little uncomfortable, so i took 4mg's in the morning and the other 4 anywhere from late afternoon to after dinner, pretty much whenever you feel you need it. Just a tip to think about because i think its important to stay on as low a dose as possible especially if you're using it to taper. Good luck!

@totach: I think you were asking CH but either way, i think you would be better off taking a little sub if you have cravings then to go back to dope. Some people don't consider being on subs to be clean, but IMO its a lot better than using your DOC. Are you using it for physical wd's or mental cravings? IME subs don't help much for the mental cravings. IMO its probably in your best interest to stay away from it if you can, but if you really must then its probably the better option. Just keep the dose as low as possible.

Sorry for the long winded response, hopefully its helpful to someone.

Also, i wanted to ask, how can you get an accurate cut on an 8mg pill? I have a pill cutter but once i get down to cutting 1mg it becomes very hard to get an accurate cut, mostly because of the pill's odd shape. Seems like my pieces range from .75 to 1.5. So any tips on how to get a more precise dose are welcome.
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Yes, the easiest most precise way of dosing sub is this:

Take 1, 8mg sub, get a syringe that can measure ml or anything else will work like like marked eye droppers, marked turkey basters, etc.

Measure out 8ml of water (very small amount)
Put the water in a tiny container, small enough so it has some vertical volume (as in if the container is flat the water will spread out like a pancake and not dissolve well)

Drop 1 - 8mg sub in it
Stir

You now have a standardized solution of 8ml sub liquid, with 1mg per 1ml of water.
If you need an EXACT dose, say .5mg, use half a ml under your tounge and let it sit as long as possible. If you need .6, just get a calculator and do the math (its gonna be 1 dash above the .5ml marking lol)

G/luck!
 
Subs always made me irritable/mean. If you can get below 2mg, the side effects will get better, though. :\
 
this happens to a lot of people. knew a guy, nicest kid in the world, but he was an ASShole when we would get high. me, im the nicest guy in the world and H made me more placid. no sense trying to figure it out. as far as bupe though, sounds like some precip wd. i was just sick this last week from wd from bupe itself and i didnt even want my gf touching me. was so irritable. hated it. glad to be back to normal.
 
Thanks for the tips Bojangles. I had read about this method for IV but wasn't sure if it would work for under the tongue. Could you combine this method with the alcohol method? Also, could you take a tiny bit of cotton like with the alcohol method and soak up your dose and use it that way? I've always wondered how much, if any, of the sub gets stuck in the cotton. How long could you keep a solution like this? Thanks again!
 
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yeah actually i think the best way to do it would to be inject it into a small piece of cotton (to keep it still and under the tongue) and keep the cotton under your tongue for like 20min- 1/2 hr then take out the cotton and see if any orange is left. if there is, suck on it to get it out and let the liquid sit under your tongue for a lil bit.

and yes you can use alcohol instead of water, but it might sting a little.
 
I find heroin makes me really irritable. So I either do it on my own or do it with someone who's similar to me. IE same music taste so we can put a playlist on and both just lie back and not talk much. I even get irritable with my family when I have a small line and go converse and have dinner with the family. Don't worry, I'm over 18, I just happen to live at home out of convenience. My varsity is up the road.
 
Hey Guys!.

Am new here.

Am from the UK (England).

I've been on Subutex for 5 years now. Currently on 1.5mgs having Tapered from 12mgs. Hardly had any problems.

My query is do you have to use a Short-Acting-Opiate to get off sub? is that what this thread is about?. If so then which SAO??????......People always say SAO is not a good idea as it will prolong withdrawals and hardly make a difference.

What comfort meds help withdrawals & PAWS.

How should i taper from 1.5mgs? I got 0.4mgs and 0.2mgs. I got valium, tamezepam, ativan ,zopiclone, trazodone, quinine-sulphate, dihydrocodeine, co-codamol, tramadol. Lofexidine (simmilar to Clonidine). Got prozac too. Would these help with subutex withdrawals? do i even need of any of them if i taper slow and low?. Which of these would be best to use for few weeks and taper off?. Are supplements such as Valerian root and 5htp more better then these i mentioned above?.

Sorry for the questions, its just that i want to be best prepared i can be and i can't seem to find anyone even on the net who has tapered of Subutex/Suboxone/Buprenorphine/Buprenex and stayed clean for 6 months.

Is there hope? which is the best route and what is a good taper and what are good meds or opiates or whatever to use while detoxing from Subutex and few weeks after????????.


Thank you.
 
I have a really good idea.

What's your dose?

If you're taking unnecessarily huge amounts of Suboxone, this is a COMMON reaction. I have experienced it, it's very annoying. It originates when buprenorphine is too plentiful in your brain, and it will spill over into other receptors at a high enough dose (ones you don't want it to spill into).

You may also be having a negative reaction to the acute effects of buprenorphine, I would try taking a substantially lower dose, and gauging your reaction from there. Good luck!

I'm going to merge this into the Suboxone Mega Thread, as this is a common side effect for some, and for most people with too high of a dose. Hope you're feeling better!

Mr Blonde said:
I get pissed off easily on opioids for some reason, I get full of rage...
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That's because opiates suppress the testosterone level. For men, hormonal changes like this can make one very irritable.

Cane2theLeft said:
Its probably not the sub but just the difficulty of transitioning off of full agonists and possibly some mild PAWS.

Perhaps there are some issues you were effectively numbing with opiates that are coming to the surface now.
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This is also a good idea; many "Suboxone" complaints, are related to the fact that Suboxone only reduces WD symptoms to a small degree, not 0. Well it can reduce it to 0 for some people, but at first, it only takes away 70-90% of the symptoms, or only takes away some symptoms and not others, for example.

Your guess is as good as mine. :)
 
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