Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[rolls_]

i can't seem to reach page 31

It doesn't exist, the forum is just reporting the thread has one extra page than it really does. Common error it seems here on BL.

That happens from time to time. I think it has to do with moderated posts or something... It only happens in longer threads.

Yep, if a whole page worth of posts has been unapproved then it will not correct the total page number hence why it stays at one extra. I imagine this is because the posts haven't actually been deleted, they just do not show up.

 

[DeLee]

In the Swedish Suboxone program you have to a hospital and take your dose under supervision for ..i think.. 3 months + 3 urine tests a week.
Have you gone through the 3 months with flying colors you get to take home dosages for 2-3 days + only one urine test/week.

How will it work, like I am on 3x8mg Suboxone/day (illegal this far) One in the morning one at lunch and one at evening. Will they want me too ake 24mg at once? (IF i get 3x8mg)

How is the procedure in the states and UK? A lot easier huh?

 

[Brose]

yeah, my experience in florida has been great. but i also believe that due in major part to the great sub doc that i found. Cheap monthly appointments, writes a script, get it filled at a pharmacy (EXPENSIVE w/o insurance! more than $300 for 3x8mg/day x30days)... but then youre on your own until you need to make your next appt.

no urines, either. its really nothing like the methadone clinics here.

 

[DexterMeth]

I think more people would not just use suboxone, but use ONLY suboxone (that need to be) if they weren't subjected to have to go take drug tests and and have all those completely unnessary check-up appointments, being deprived of their medication they need if they happen to slip up...and sometimes if it's for other substances that aren't even opiates...even cannabis. Addicts need to be given freedom and control over their treatment...then they might actually learn to enjoy the transition.

 

[Carl Landrover]

^
My sub doctor didn't care if I tested positive for weed. He talked to me about it the first time, but I was doing well on the program, so it was never an issue. I tested positive for it everytime in the 14 month period I was seeing him and for the majority of that time I was seeing him every 2 weeks. Depends on the doctor as far as the drug tests go.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Greetings. I just waited waited 24 hours after my last herion sht and took 4 mgs of Suboxone. I'm still just as sick! too sick to research other threads or posts. I've got 8 more mgs of Sub left. Any ideas?

Don't IV Suboxone that soon after quitting heroin! You want to taper down sublingually with Suboxone.

IV Suboxone works best with a low opiate tolerance, and when utilizing micron filtration.

This sub/bupe megathread is getting more and more interesting as I read it, however I have yet to see anything like I want to know. I did utse and found just stuff related to smoking weed or stopping smoking etc. I was just thinking of a "possible way to get more buzz outta subs?".

I was reading and obsessing more about my obsession with opiates when I was on facebook a few days ago and joined this cool group called opium or something. I saw this cool awesome, wish I had it opium smoking pipe that was real old, had a cool top for it too, to keep your "love" cozied up without fear of it falling out. SOOO, I suddenly thought, gee what if I take my sub, just one 8mg sub and crush it up into fine powder like opium powder and smoke a sub?.

Anyone tried this ever?, what would happen if I smoked one of my 8mg suboxone?

Please don't do that. Snort, plug, sublingually use them, or even IV after micron filtering. But I wouldn't advise you smoke Suboxone.

That's an absolutely terrible idea. Pills are not meant to be smoked. What would happen? You're going to vaporize and inhale chemicals that are not designed to go in your lungs. Like talc and corn starch, to name a couple. Orange dye. And all the binders and fillers that whole the pill together. Don't do it. Smoking any kind of pill is never a good idea.

There is no talc in Suboxone. Just corn starch, and a lot of other inactive ingredients like magnesium stearate, a coloring and flavoring agent, etc, but no talc.

Your advice is sound though.

Depends on the doctor as far as the drug tests go.

I would just find a doctor who doesn't do urine analysis. A waste of time and money, IMO.

 

[onlywant2nod]

Captain,
Thanks very much for the helpful advice, glad I have this cool site where I can get very helpful info, rather than being "blind" and then doing something stupid like I almost did.

Btw, the 1st time I was on subs, I was on this site back then and crushed into powder and snorted my 8mg sub like suggested, strange it seemed to work a little better the first time, lol however I got a big orange boogie outta my nose that night. My nose used to bleed alot when I was young and I had one nostril cauterized(sp) so it wouldn't bleed, then the other nostril started bleeding, however not much. I dont absorb stuff intranasally very well, could it be since I had that done to my nose so it wouldn't bleed like it used to? or because I tend to have a pretty dry nasal cavity most of the time?

Also I have hard to find veins even for a good nurse, uggh I hate that, it makes me scared of needles, but even if I was to micron filter a sub and IV it, would it still be ok even though my tolerance to opiates is so high due to my own dumb fault during mmt? Sorry to mention the last part, hope that is ok to discuss, another mod in one of my closed posts said something about "dicksizing" and I didn't want to misunderstand or something. I didn't get it, I thought it was ok to mention it, but from what I understood its not ok to "brag about it", so just wanted to say I'm not bragging just had to mention it since someone said"its different if someone with a high tolerance IV microns a sub it wont work as well?"

 

[qwe]

i think all the doctors do urine analysis on at least the "higher risk" patients

i'm lucky my doc doesn't seem to mind my pot positives. the methadone clinic didn't either as a matter of fact. perhaps i just got lucky and got chill people, or weed really is starting to be accepted. they're anal as hell about my 1.5mg klonopin dose though :/

 

[JimLovesOxies]

Ya'll are right when you say, less is more with the bupe. I'm currently prescribed 8mgs 2x a day,

which is incredibly too much. I've been weaning my self down slowly and I feel just as good on

2mgs as I do on 8.

As far as the drug testing thing goes, qwe hit the nail on the head about the ''higher risk''

patients. I have yet to see a drug test from my sub doctor, Then again the man was either

really tired(which I doubt) or on the nod while he was explaining to me how suboxone works.

I know when people are nodding out. He definatly was.

 

[enacer]

I posted this on a different thread CH...I am currently weened down to 4mg bupe each day..I tried to skip today because i plan on getting thizzed tonight. I ended up taking 2mg at 1pm today (not thizzing till 9/10pm) per you and alot of others advice hopefully i experience the best part of the roll. The white rolex I have read in reports that there is a small amount of K in them as a binder. I read K is a type of opiate so im hoping the naltroex in suboxone doesnt make me sick...will keep you all posted and any feedback before hand is appreciate even if its to tell me to stfu and im paranoid LMAO....PLUR

 

[qwe]

so let's say somebody got lucky and acquired some hydrocodone & oxycodone. how long would i have to wait, after stopping suboxone, in order to be safely sure that none of the drugs will be wasted? i take 4mg daily

my current plan is to go off for four days, lower my tolerance in the process, and have a nice treat waiting for me at the end. then wait a day after that treat to resume subox

 

[enacer]

so let's say somebody got lucky and acquired some hydrocodone & oxycodone. how long would i have to wait, after stopping suboxone, in order to be safely sure that none of the drugs will be wasted? i take 4mg daily

my current plan is to go off for four days, lower my tolerance in the process, and have a nice treat waiting for me at the end. then wait a day after that treat to resume subox

Everyone is different I usually give it 24 hours since my last suboxone dose when I used to switch between the two. I strictly run bupe now no more dabbling wtih blues/oxy but thats just me.Plasma life of bupe is 4-6 hours but half life is 36 i beleive.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Also I have hard to find veins even for a good nurse, uggh I hate that, it makes me scared of needles, but even if I was to micron filter a sub and IV it, would it still be ok even though my tolerance to opiates is so high due to my own dumb fault during mmt? Sorry to mention the last part, hope that is ok to discuss, another mod in one of my closed posts said something about "dicksizing" and I didn't want to misunderstand or something. I didn't get it, I thought it was ok to mention it, but from what I understood its not ok to "brag about it", so just wanted to say I'm not bragging just had to mention it since someone said"its different if someone with a high tolerance IV microns a sub it wont work as well?"

IVing isn't really a good option with buprenorphine with a high opiate tolerance; it's not going to get you a rush or anything. It's pretty good when you have a low tolerance (not trying to reverse-dick size either ) but I would suggest sublingual for a high tolerance, it lasts the longest and is the best IMO.

When you taper down on Suboxone to 2mg per day or around there (possibly less for some people), that's when IVing will be more effective if at all. Some people never find buprenorphine euphoric when IV'd for some reason. The effects come on quicker but that's the only benefit, and they don't last nearly as long as sublingual use IMO.

I once had a high opiate tolerance too and it took me a while tapering down before IVing buprenorphine became euphoric. It was a pleasant surprise when I started using less per shot and the effects started getting better, but it took weeks/months. I would strongly suggest sublingual use for a high tolerance, I still use it sublingually sometimes.

I posted this on a different thread CH...I am currently weened down to 4mg bupe each day..I tried to skip today because i plan on getting thizzed tonight. I ended up taking 2mg at 1pm today (not thizzing till 9/10pm) per you and alot of others advice hopefully i experience the best part of the roll. The white rolex I have read in reports that there is a small amount of K in them as a binder. I read K is a type of opiate so im hoping the naltroex in suboxone doesnt make me sick...will keep you all posted and any feedback before hand is appreciate even if its to tell me to stfu and im paranoid LMAO....PLUR

oooh yeah you're talking about a roll, gotcha. You can do MDMA on buprenorphine very easily. I have and it's great! You haven't done much today so you'll be fine.

Ketamine is not a type of opiate, it's an NMDA recpetor antagonist. Ketamine is compatible with Suboxone and MDMA too.

I've done K and MDMA on Suboxone I can tell you there won't be problems. Except when I did both K and MDMA together (also while on Suboxone) I was very hungover the next day. That's about it. Have a day after where you can sleep in if you need to. That's the only advice I'd say.

Enjoy the roll!

so let's say somebody got lucky and acquired some hydrocodone & oxycodone. how long would i have to wait, after stopping suboxone, in order to be safely sure that none of the drugs will be wasted? i take 4mg daily

my current plan is to go off for four days, lower my tolerance in the process, and have a nice treat waiting for me at the end. then wait a day after that treat to resume subox

Did you read the FAQ post of the mega thread?

I'd say it varies per person, try 1-3 days. I only need 1 day. Others are different.

 

[needlejuice]

i accidently put a subutex in a pill bottle that i guess had residue in it. when i opened it, it was still in the football shape but it was melted like a candybar. its all sludgy. do u think itd be safe to i.v.? i washed the pill bottle out before putting the sub in it. so the water was just leftover, its not dirty

 

[Captain.Heroin]

i accidently put a subutex in a pill bottle that i guess had residue in it. when i opened it, it was still in the football shape but it was melted like a candybar. its all sludgy. do u think itd be safe to i.v.? i washed the pill bottle out before putting the sub in it. so the water was just leftover, its not dirty

No, don't IV a "sludgy" pill. You don't know what's mixed in it.

You would have to micron filter the bacteria out in the old liquid, I would take it another ROA or waste it if you don't want to do any other ROA.

 

[jake99]

Sub doctor gave UA and failed but he sent it out so he didnt know yet

I saw my sub doctor other day and they gave me a urine which i wasnt ready for , had gotten high day before............
i didnt wanna tell him because i thought then maybe he wouldnt give me my scirpt and it was a test they send out not an instant one so he didnt know right away.................
So i filled my script (30 of the 60 prescribed for the month) now i wonder if he is gonna call when he gets results of my urine back , or cancel other 30 pills i didnt fill yet..........or just expect me to make another appointment and then decide what to do ?
i dont wanna stay on sub forever anyway so even with 30 i have now thats plenty to wean off slowly...............
any opinions?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

-> Suboxone Mega Thread

You can ask this in the mega thread, it's a pretty basic question.

We don't do questions on urine analysis, why don't you just confess to your doctor what happened? It might make you seem honest and save some face. Otherwise, just wait for it to happen. He may not care you relapsed, since they're primarily making sure you're taking Suboxone. Then again different doctors have different policies.

 

[Mandatory17]

I think more people would not just use suboxone, but use ONLY suboxone (that need to be) if they weren't subjected to have to go take drug tests and and have all those completely unnessary check-up appointments, being deprived of their medication they need if they happen to slip up...and sometimes if it's for other substances that aren't even opiates...even cannabis. Addicts need to be given freedom and control over their treatment...then they might actually learn to enjoy the transition.

I love how you wrote that, I 100% believe that to be true in some cases. In my case it was. I have a very awesome doctor as far as addiction specialists go. I got myself clean with the help of a doctor who trusted me with no drug tests & no bullshit. It worked for me because I wanted to be clean & I know a lot of addicts feel that way once they get to that fed up, over it & done place. I'm positive people could learn to enjoy the transition if it could be made a little simpler for them, at least with a take home prescription!

 

[DustnRoses]

There's a good chance that this has already been answered somewhere in these 31 pages, but I can't spend the time to look right now, so hopefully someone can just help me out...

I was just wondering how long it usually takes to feel the suboxone after taking it? I snorted about 1 mg, about an hour ago...I was also slightly worried about going into precipitated WD, (I switched from heroin to tramadol 3 days ago, and even took 1 tramadol about 30 minutes prior to dosing the suboxone), and was wondering how long it takes for the precip. WD to kick in, if it is?

 

[qwe]

^ you should really wait 24 hours after your last non-subox dose. you'll most likely be in precipitated w/d unless you took enough suboxone and very little tramadol

it takes 15-45 min to kick in sublingually

intranasal, same as other drugs i would expect. 5-30m

you probably aren't going to feel anything because of the tramadol. even if you didn't take tramadol, since you have a tolerance, you may get zero buzz from bupe no matter what