Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Transcendence]

I've taken a little more than 1mg everyday for almost two weeks. How long before I have to worry about getting physical withdrawal upon cessation?

 

[Mystery Brew]

I would deff wait about 36hrs after 16mg.. thats a pretty high dose (compared to some), which brings us to the other part of your question: did your tolerance rise from the bupe? well it depends on what your tolerance was before the bupe but my guess is at 16mg a day, yes it probly did raise your tolerance (thats just a guess but it's most likely) bupe is a strong drug. i would wait until i feel a little w/d's to dose other opiates.. thats my opinion..

I wouldnt be surprised if it is raised. 8mg a day wasnt cutting it for me. I was thinking tapering to a half a day maybe to 2mg and than 1 and half day before I do opiates stop the bupe (within a week to taper and stop). Hopefully bringing tolerance down a little. Think that would bring tolerance down a little? not sure cause its such a short time

Also is the "36+ hrs" considering the length one is on bupe. aka bupe maintence?

 

[jungleheart]

The suboxone will probably keep you from getting high for 24 hours. Probably interfere with you getting as high as you would like to for a full 48 hours. Bupe stays around and hogs the receptors. That's a big reason they use it for therapy.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

it seems like since ive started using bupe, everytime i do dope i get a very stingy burning feeling along with the rush. ive heard this is caused by quinine, but i did dope for a few years and only felt the sensation a number of times. now (bupe 1 mg a day), everytime i get a burning feeling after i do dope, especially if it's good, sometimes it burns so bad i feel like im gonna pass out. does this have something to do with bupe?

What burns exactly? Can you describe it better?

I've never gotten a "burn" from buprenorphine.

I've gotten a "burn" from injecting a drug before, and it's most likely due to a non-neutral pH.

Im on a 16mg a day. On the front page it says it varys from 36 + hrs. Anyone with experience on when is a good time to dose opiates after 16mg suboxone?

Also if anyone knows would my tolerance be rocketted from that suboxone dose?

Your tolerance is likely really high.

What opiate would you be using though? If you're someone who was shooting grams of good quality H at a time, then it is possible 16mg of bupe per day may have lowered your tolerance ot other opiates. Most people who would use something like hydrocodone or oxycodone would find their tolerance has increased though.

i don't think it has anything to do with bupe.. but than again i haven't tried it because im on bupe to get off all the other shit.. why are you doing dope if your on bupe? are you trying to quit? or is it just a way for you to get from dose to dose without w/ds?

OH I read it wrong.

So the H is burning not bupe?

Yeah it has nothing to do with bupe. I never got a "burn" from injecting H either. Weird.

I've taken a little more than 1mg everyday for almost two weeks. How long before I have to worry about getting physical withdrawal upon cessation?

It's hard to put a number on it. Try going without it for a day, see how your body reacts.

And if you do feel mild WD don't panic, you can always taper (try 0.5mg) off of your dose easily. 1mg sublingual isn't too horrible.

 

[Selfmeditaker]

^@the 1st question about burning-- Ive been on sub just a short time now but can say that for myself ive never felt/even noticed a burn and that works for me as i love the stuffff truely is a tool for both matinence./recreation most effciently

 

[Oxymorphone]

Hey guys, haven't been in OD since I turned to the psychedelic side. Let me just say 10mg IV of 2c-c has made me decide never to touch any opiates besides bupe again. it should seriously be part of opiate rehab to make people realize how depressing heroin and opiate addiction is. :D

Anyway since I've been tripping my colorful balls off I haven't taken my bupe in 2 days and I feel like IVing my next dose. I tried mixing 20mg of diphenhydramine into a 2mg shot before and definitely felt a little something of a rush but not much. I crushed up a tablet, I am going to try again using the powder from a capsule and see if that is any easier to mix/filter. Are you guys able to get euphoria from IVing with antihistamines while on a semi-high regular dosage? I take 16mg sublingual per day usually. I don't want to IV too much where I don't feel anything so is 2-3mg of bupe the right dose?

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ i think your tolerance is too high to get high off bupe even if IVed.. but if you've skipped doses for two days, you might get a "relief" feeling tho.

16mg sublingual would be about 4mg IVed (correct me if im wrong) so maybe it will work?? im not too sure now that i think of it.. sorry bro

 

[DangerChamber]

Oxy, bruh, what the hell kinda 2C-C u takn to get those kind of revelations?

 

[Oxymorphone]

Oxy, bruh, what the hell kinda 2C-C u takn to get those kind of revelations?

I think it has more to do with the fact that I IVed and IMed it because I haven't read of any reports clost to people having such crazy and intense trips from people taking it orally or plugging. I plugged 20mg which should be a good dose and hardly noticed anything... I'm getting some 2c-e and 2c-t-2 next :D

Anyway I just IVed 4mg of bupe split into two shot with 25mg diphenhydramine each. I fealt a slight warmth type rush and am very relaxed now. i wasn't withdrawing or feeling shitty from not taking it before either and usually it makes me more alert and hyper. It could be mostly the benadryl and not the bupe though.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Subutex V Suboxone

I just micron filtered an 8mg Subutex tablet in 8ml of water, and used 10 units of the final solution. I mixed it with 3.5mg of hydroxyzine and had the shot.

Comparing it to any other Suboxone shot I have had thus far, I can tell little difference, if any at all. The hydroxyzine boosted the effects, but I don't think this is much different from IVing Suboxone.

I am feeling pretty high, as I normally do.

The only difference from this and my Suboxone solution is that I diluted the Subutex twice as much, maybe this yielded less of a loss in the final product.

Overall as far as I'm concerned, Suboxone and Subutex have the same recreational and medicinal effects when IV'd.

One last interesting note: Suboxone, in half as much water, breaks down much easier than Subutex. I don't know why, but it does.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^subutex does need a good stirring to properly dissolve ime as well. i normally use 60units for 4mg(half an 8) and 60-80 units for a 2mg tablet.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^subutex does need a good stirring to properly dissolve ime as well. i normally use 60units for 4mg(half an 8) and 60-80 units for a 2mg tablet.

Good to know.

It still broke down quicker than hydroxyzine hcl.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Good to know.

It still broke down quicker than hydroxyzine hcl.

Everything else I have tried to shoot dissolves better than hydroxyzine.

I just found that the class white/pink benadryl capsules (and big 200 CVS generic bottle) are great for shooting since it is fine powder inside as opposed to the hard pink tablets (which are also the same as the 200 ct Rite Aid generic bottle). Much easier to filter and I actually like it better than shooting hydroxyzine.

In the antihistamine/bupe thread it advises to use the gel caps but I really dont like the idea of mixing gel since it is hard to filter out whatever else is in there since it all dissolves and you would need a micron to take care of it and then I don't even know how well that would work. With dissolving the powder you can easily filter out the major gunk by sucking up through cotton then get it crystal clear shooting it through a syringe barrel stuffed with cotton.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

I just micron filtered an 8mg Subutex tablet in 8ml of water, and used 10 units of the final solution. I mixed it with 3.5mg of hydroxyzine and had the shot.

Comparing it to any other Suboxone shot I have had thus far, I can tell little difference, if any at all. The hydroxyzine boosted the effects, but I don't think this is much different from IVing Suboxone.

I am feeling pretty high, as I normally do.

The only difference from this and my Suboxone solution is that I diluted the Subutex twice as much, maybe this yielded less of a loss in the final product.

Overall as far as I'm concerned, Suboxone and Subutex have the same recreational and medicinal effects when IV'd.

One last interesting note: Suboxone, in half as much water, breaks down much easier than Subutex. I don't know why, but it does.

Yeah ,as expected ,I fail to see much of a difference either.It's curious the amount of people I know in here who claim there's a BIG difference between iVing one and the other.Even though I never IVed any at least sublingually I can't notice any major differences.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

By the way Cap,do you also scrape the blue coating off of those 15mgs Dormicum tabs for IV use ?I hear the 7.5 ones do not have that blue coating,people in here do not scrape that coating and watching them injecting some blue liquid makes me rather uncomfortable lol.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

By the way Cap,do you also scrape the blue coating off of those 15mgs Dormicum tabs for IV use ?I hear the 7.5 ones do not have that blue coating,people in here do not scrape that coating and watching them injecting some blue liquid makes me rather uncomfortable lol.

I would remove the coating off the 15's more than likely, I haven't done any investigation yet as to what the blue coating is. If it will be filtered out by a 0.22um micron filter there may not be a need to, but more than likely I probably will remove it.

Yeah, the 7.5's I have had are just a white pill. I'm wondering what would be the easiest way to remove the coating...

 

[Ashley26]

I think I'm going to find a dr and start Suboxone. I'm having such a hard time quitting opiates on my own. I have my hesitations because I sometimes see it as a crutch but I'm going to let the dr know I want to do a somewhat quick weening process. I don't want to be on it for long term

 

[Selfmeditaker]

I think I'm going to find a dr and start Suboxone. I'm having such a hard time quitting opiates on my own. I have my hesitations because I sometimes see it as a crutch but I'm going to let the dr know I want to do a somewhat quick weening process. I don't want to be on it for long term

1st- good on you for wanting and considering quitting opiates! I hope whatever happens the best to you

As for your hesitations. Your DOC are opiate(s)and yes the Subo/Tex are as well---(Buprenorphine is a semi-synthetic opiate with partial agonist actions at the mu opioid receptor site) as do your DOCs just in a different stronger way. The Narc in either just forget about bc its worthless, no really it is it doesnt do anything. So now you see it (just buprenorphine) as a crutch so to speak, like swapping one opiate/addiction whatever you want to call it for another one just differnet but still the same.? Lots of people most likely see it like that too, and others will not, as were all differnet and drug ab(U)se is for different reasons etc. It comes down to you knowing whats best for your particular situation Opiates got you in to in the 1st place. If you have to use 1 opiate in order for you to Stop using 1(or more) opiates then before, than I'd say go fucking for it with or without the 'crutch' bc at least it is just getting around life with 1 crutch and not 2 for easch arm if you get what I mean. I would rather in the end use suboxone or subutex than dy DOCs as it will be better for you in many ways in the long run(most of the time that is)

Try it and see what it can do for you and goooood luck!!!!

sorry for the rant^__^

 

[rhythmtech]

Can somebody enlighten me on how one first goes on Suboxone? I went to my doctor,
described my situation and explained I would like to clean up my act a bit and get off
dope. I currently IV 200mg Morphine at a time, once or twice a day. Either that or 30mg
Hydromorphone, (Dilaudid) whatever i can get my hands on that day. SOOO I need to clean
up, this is getting expensive and outrageous and i can barely function when I'm not on
dope. Can't get out of bed, feel really shitty my bones ache, my nose constantly runs,
etc etc.. Oh, and the depression is a real killer too. Anyways he has no problem with
helping me out, though he said he is going on holidays and now is a bad time. He wants me
to come back at the end of the month when he is back in the office. He says I will need
to come into the office every other day, but he did not really outline why. I assume it
is so that he can monitor my progress in some way, like piss test me or see whatever dose
is holding me. Does somebody else have a similar experience when first going on Suboxone?
Or did your dr's simply write you a script for it and send you on your way? If you had to
guess what do you think will happen? I know, I can just wait until my appointment and
find out for myself but I just wondered if anyone out there had a similar experience. I
am in Canada if that makes a difference.

 

[needlejuice]

i don't think it has anything to do with bupe.. but than again i haven't tried it because im on bupe to get off all the other shit.. why are you doing dope if your on bupe? are you trying to quit? or is it just a way for you to get from dose to dose without w/ds?

yea ive been on bupe for 2 years. i have only done dope a handful of times since (if i run out early, sella few, whatev) but yeah everytime its good dope the rush burns like my whole body the kinda burn your foot gets when it falls asleep