Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[KnowBudz]

That's a fair amount of hydrocodone you've been taking. Any opiate can be abused, and someone can just as messed up on codeine (in terms of destroying their life) as on more potent drugs. Given that hydrocodone preparations usually contain acetaminophen, liver damage could easily be an additional concern. I've been on methadone, then suboxone, and the initial interviews always were much more focused on what the drugs I was using had done to me than what those drugs actually were.

 

[fm1983]

what the fuck am i supposed to do when i cant afford a $300 doctor visit plus medication!!!! I am so fucking helpless right now. This is making me rethink about quitting, heroin is $20 a day for me!

I would look around, and call every doctor in your 30mile+ radius and check prices. Im my area there was about 15 doctors or so with prices ranging from $100 a visit to $500. There are cheap places out there, you just have to hunt. And I only see my doctor 1 time a month, with the exception being the first month where I had to see him twice.

And as for your meds, I don't have insurance either, but what is good about suboxone, is that there is no limit how many times you have to pick up your whole script. I get 60 pills a month, and go to the pharmacy anywhere from 1-3 times a week to get my subs, depending on how much cash I have. Also, you will more than likely be scripted way above what you actually need. I get 60 pills a month, but only use 1 or 2 pills a week, and on top of that I share my script with my gf, so we don't have to pay double to see a doctor. You will more than likely be able to survive on <4mg daily. So even at 4mg daily, that's only 3.5 pills a week, which would equal close to one day of your dope costs.

Don't fret man.

 

[edgewise1]

My neighbor snorted a 2mg tablet and was very fucked up. His opiate tolerance was not high as he had been off of opiates for a month or two. This was around 5PM. The next morning he threw up several times but wasn't feeling bad and after throwing up, he was fine. Later that afternoon he snorted another 2mg's with very weak effects occuring. He has done legal and illegal opiates and said the first sub fucked him up as bad as any opiate he has ever taken.

 

[pally pete]

thats waaaaay too much. i would give 1-2mg chunks to people to sniff and they would puke 48hrs. i think .5mg is good. problem is its hard to break the chips so small. so in this case actually just put 1mg under your tounge(newbs only).

Exactly,i was given an 8mg tab and id never taken it before,people were suggesting crush ait and snort 4mg first time,now luclklily i dont like snorting anything if it can be avoided so i wenty the oral route,iwas recommended 0.5mg subligually (under the tongue) but as the pils are so samll its hard to judge o.5 mg off a 8mg tab accurately.,i tried my best to get a small crumb (because thats what it became one i started to break it up) anyway probably had somewhgere aroungd 1mg max (a tinty crumb) and i thought "yeah right! thats gonna do fcul all to me?!) how wrong i was 30 mins later felt nothing,as im used to using benzos i was expectinmg top feel something by this stage,anyway 45 minutes passes and a slight touch of lightheadedness,and then by one hour i was definatyely feeling it.

the next 2-4 hour i progressively became more and more fucked! i could hardly see,hear,speak,or walk,then came the vomiting which continued constantly for 12 hours,drink water puke,drink water puke,drink water puke,sthis slowly subsided,as in i wasnt be sichk every half hour-1hour i was only puking once every couple of hours now,iwas that fcked i even had to tell my mum what id done and explained everything to her,i was scared to go to sleep in that state,worrying that id never wake up,i even spent the night in my mumsss room as i told her to keep talking to me and keep me awake.

i took the boprenorphine at around midday friday i finally got about an hours sleep at around 6a,m saturday morning!

my advice stear clear or tread very very carefully.

i think i even started a thread on bluelight asking for help.;

 

[Captain.Heroin]

We don't use "SWIM" here at Bluelight.

4mg is quite a lot for someone with no tolerance, I would aim lower next time. It will be perfectly safe to repeat as long as you don't use as much, or don't combine it with CNS depressants, but I would seriously avoid using 4mg at once again just IMO.

I can merge this in with the Suboxone Mega Thread, where this type of discussion is ideal.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

what the fuck am i supposed to do when i cant afford a $300 doctor visit plus medication!!!! I am so fucking helpless right now. This is making me rethink about quitting, heroin is $20 a day for me!

Do the math, that means heroin would cost you $600 to $620 per month, and that's not factoring in a growing tolerance that's typical of a heroin user.

Get some better insurance, that's the best thing to do.

You can also apply for the Free Suboxone program if you are unable to afford insurance.

 

[dubSTEP]

Do the math, that means heroin would cost you $600 to $620 per month, and that's not factoring in a growing tolerance that's typical of a heroin user.

Get some better insurance, that's the best thing to do.

You can also apply for the Free Suboxone program if you are unable to afford insurance.

I've got great insurance, but I'm stuck out of state for a couple months. Thanks for the math, that sorta put my mind at ease.

 

[Falcon0r]

@ people who replied to me:

As far as how long I've been on suboxone, since last September. My last dose was 2mg IV. It is now almost 4pm of Day 5 with no suboxone. I have yet to feel any real withdrawals. Today I've taken, so far, 600mg Gabapentin and 200mg Tramadol, along with smoking weed. I feel a head buzz of something, probably the Tramadol. I was told that Tramadol will just help with withdrawals but not completely get rid of them, so I should be feeling something.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've got great insurance, but I'm stuck out of state for a couple months. Thanks for the math, that sorta put my mind at ease.

Why are you stuck out of state? Did you try calling your doctor?

 

[edgewise1]

My cousins wife, who I posted about a couple days ago, is now at day 6 off sub. She made the jump from 4 mg's and two plus year's of being on sub. So far she has been up an down with it, but nothing really low. The more common symptoms of diareha and restless leg syndrom. She told me today that as long as she got up and moved around, or took a shower, that she felt better. She does have clonidine to take and is using it. I agaim suggested the Immodium in moderate doses if needed, along with plenty of fluids. Would Immodium be of any use since she has the clonodine?

 

[Pegasus]

^Yeah, it definitely will be useful. The clonodine relieves the blood pressure side effect of withdrawal; it doesn't act like an opiate. Loperamide acts like an opiate to a degree (it is an opioid that barely penetrates the BBB), and will also help with the "runs" if she is having them...

 

[Paulination]

as a former long time opiate addict... i know how great it feels. but you know how your body adjust to the drug with tolerance and how much that sucks? that happens with the liver enzyme cimetidine acts on too! the cimetidine will not be a sustainable solution to keep the high going unless you want to just keep upping it which is not a solution

just a little warning. i think i messed up my metabolism a lil with that enzyme

Thanks alot for the advice QWE I can empthasize with you on tolerance It dosent feel the same after 2 1/2 years of taking it, but for some reason everytime i take it I get a fairly noticeable buzz, no sedatin really. Also thanks for the advice about the cimitidine ive been on it for maybe a month prob ably a little less. I think ill stop taking it for awhile. Anyway they say the grapefruit juice works alot better anyway. and i dont see any problems in drinking GFJ. and if you take cimetidine for longer than half a year I would imagine there would be some problems as you pointed out. Im just glad you told me before i was taking it for a year!!

I do have to say with the 95% ethanol solution i eel a huge difference i still take 24mg a day tho :D. I noticed after doing taking my suboxone with these potentiators that i get hot and sweaty Ive heard that alot of people get sweaty though . I would love some advice from anyone on if this hot sweating thing is maybe a sign to lower my dose. it never really bothers me, cept i have to keep a napkin around. lol im guessing u guys are going to tell me to lower my dose. I mean i only started the ethanol and GFJ a month ago., although i toyed with it for a 1 1/2 now but now im doing it on a constant basis. also its summer to but i dont think thats the problem. even tho i have never sweated like this in my entire life. hehe i always feel like i type to much.

 

[Paulination]

Hey guys, whats up?

SWIM with no opiod tolerance insufflated ~4mgs of buprenorphine, with great effects. However SWIMS breathing slowed quite a bit. Not short of breath or anything uncomfortable but breathing as if he was asleep.

Now SWIM is about 140lbs - checking erowid this is a pretty large amount to insufllate with no tolerance. SWIM is wondering if this dose would generally be considered safe to repeat in the future provided he stays away from alcohol/benzos. SWIM is feeling fine, coming down learning some Jeff Beck. Any fans out there? Clearly still feeling rather open and talkative lol. This is like MDMAs little brother W

Thanks guys.

I dunno Lighter it depends on how you feel, ofcourse your gonna have respitory depression from opiates. i mean its pretty easy to tell when you have takin to much and then again sometimes its not. Any other symptoms besides that? i would suggest maybe taking 3mg but i would also suggest not snorting orange opium pixi sticks up your nose . i just dont understand how people can snort 4-24 mgs everyday, my god man. after i did it a couple times i got this red circle on the tip of my nose. i looked like rudolph the red nose reindeer. luckily i only snorted a few times since my 2 1/2 years. hopefully you wont turn into rudolph the drugged nose reindeer to

 

[qwe]

^ even the first times i took it i can never get any opiate feeling off of suboxone... so be happy your med makes you feel good

GFJ also inhibits certain liver enzyme(s) and could potentially create a similar problem if used in excess. plus, getting high every day is unsustainable. if i were still on methadone and wanted to feel it (which i would) i would keep the GFJ/tagamet for the weekend so that my body is used to a lower dose (then i'd at least be able to feel it that much better)

anyway... it seems that your opiate tolerance is low enough, and tramadol dose high enough, that you basically switched maintenance drugs from suboxone to tramadol. you have yet to withdraw, or you are simply really lucky and don't really get much w/d!

@ people who replied to me:

As far as how long I've been on suboxone, since last September. My last dose was 2mg IV. It is now almost 4pm of Day 5 with no suboxone. I have yet to feel any real withdrawals. Today I've taken, so far, 600mg Gabapentin and 200mg Tramadol, along with smoking weed. I feel a head buzz of something, probably the Tramadol. I was told that Tramadol will just help with withdrawals but not completely get rid of them, so I should be feeling something.

 

[Paulination]

im 30, been on it 5 yrs. tried getting off several times. it gets so bad. i lose my gfs that way. not using dope but from them seeing me so sick from bupe. a full month of being a sweaty asshole shivering in bed is enough to make any girl give up.

i need the shit to function and i love it. i think about dope a little bit but im glad its not in my area. its just like a fixation....the bupe. no high, but i start my day with a shower shit shave sub shot, coffee and cig and lexapro and im a happy man!!!!! i have my gf divy it out though caues i tend to keep taking more hoping to feel something like that morning warmth or relaxation.....but the whole day. plus i IV it. im trying to stop it but its really hard. once i get back on the PAP there should be no reason to slam it. but i love taking my tiny 1mg dose IV and feeling great 10 mins later as i smoke a stoge,

god i have such an addictive personality. i have a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of help though too besides the subs. i live on a mountain; no dope, work for room and board so only get 100 bucks a month stipend. and i live a spiritual life. this has helped me more than NA or any fucking therapy ever has.

oh, i have AN AMAZING gf too. i love her so much. but she asked me last night if i would chose the pills over her and i said yes. i explained i cant function without them. i could be with her but i would try to kill myself and be such a dick that she would have to leave me. just the way it is. its like my insulin. really is.

I would imagine she probably dosent like you shooting up if i had a GF that did that id probably tell her id leave her if she didnt stop, but thats me ive never shot up before. Im a hypochondriac and ive always worried what IV'ing does to your body, collapsed veins especially collasped veins, doctors say i have some of the most pronounced veins they have ever seen, lol they dont even need to use that rubber band thingy on my arm. Does she mind you IVing? you may wanna try all the cool tricks for taking suboxone sublingually with ethanol and grapefruit juice. Hell when you take suboxone sublingually with all the tricks they have on this site you only lose about 20-30% of the pill but if you cant do that i understand, hell people gotta do what they gotta do i understand totally. I just hope you dont fuck up a good thing. And if she told you to stop taking your prescription medication and your suboxone I would tell her like it or leave it, or I would just try and stop IV'ing the shit, plus I think your overall health would improve, Ive heard Captain Heroin say that shits is humugo dangerous. But we live in America and we have the right to do whatever the hell we want(except for illegal drugs because they wanna make money of us with methadone and subosxone and their medications)
Hell your pretty lucky man, I had to break up with my GF a couple months ago. It wasnt her fault just mine. I got her into opiates, hell she never even really drank. gave her a couple suboxone and after she took those for awhile, i asked her if she wanted to try H that was my first time and last time using H while ive been on suboxone. ofcourse we were off suboxone a couple days before we used, we just nosed it tho my other two friends IV. anyway a year later she got pretty heavy into opiates probably cause i have all sorts of opiates left over. davocet, codiene, vicodin and weed. she lived at my place to. 6 months ago she crashed her car while being opiate high. luckily the cops didnt find anything in her car so no charges. but after that i broke up with her.I got her into Opiates so it is my fault totally, I told her this and she started crying but i believe it was for the best. I do this with all the GF's ive ever had, I love doing drugs with my girlfriends and most of the time they give in, except this one japanese girl i met in japan she would never touch any drug not even caffiene. she lived with me for a year in America and then had to go back. I broke up with her after a few months, long distance relationships arent my style. besides i didnt want her to wait for me, she came back to visit me though a couple months ago and damn did she look good. she said shes coming back to minneapolis in about 5 months to go to school here. She seemed pretty pissed off at me when she visited a month ago probably because after i broke up with her I got a GF like a week later.Im just wondering if she still loves me.

 

[Paulination]

@ people who replied to me:

As far as how long I've been on suboxone, since last September. My last dose was 2mg IV. It is now almost 4pm of Day 5 with no suboxone. I have yet to feel any real withdrawals. Today I've taken, so far, 600mg Gabapentin and 200mg Tramadol, along with smoking weed. I feel a head buzz of something, probably the Tramadol. I was told that Tramadol will just help with withdrawals but not completely get rid of them, so I should be feeling something.

My god no suboxone for 5 days and no withdrawals!!!! gods on your side myfriend, Tramadol is about just as good as codiene prolly a little less. And definetly keep smoking weed. A couple times ive been without suboxone during my 2 1/2 years of being prescribed. and at about day2-3 it starts to set in and day 4-5 its pretty much unberable. no sleep, sweating while feeling cold(never understood that). I never had weed when ive gone through those withdrawals. I bet thats one major reason why i felt so shitty. I think that tramadol your taking takes in the place of suboxone. one time i was at this chicks house i fucked her then the next day when her parents and she was sleeping I looked around for some "food" found some tramadol man that shit doubled my euphoria, I think tramadol and suboxone are related and work well together for some reason i dunno if its true. Keep taking that tramadol for a few weeks and u shouldnt have a problem especially if u have dank weed everday with it.
good luck falcon may god have mercy on your opiate receptors

oh and im on 24 mg, i dont know if u said this but what was your normal dose for suboxone?

 

[Paulination]

Oh and I wanted to say im 22 and im on my dads insurance since im in college and I get it from his work. if anyone else has this type of insurance I would just like to say WOOOOHOOOOOOOOO YES YES YES. thank you obama i guess he raised the age limit from 24 to 26 for people who are in college and on your parents work insurance. it was usually that once you hit 24 you had to get your own insurance after that. That means 4 more years of opiate bless. god fucking bless America for me and anyone else who has this, I cant imagine people who dont have insurance. if i didnt have my dads insurance it would be 700$ for 90 8mg sub pills but instead its 30. god wtf is wrong with this country.

 

[Falcon0r]

Hahaha I'm also enjoying insurance from my father (who left) from his work.

I had tapered down to 2mg before I jumped.

For people on suboxone, how long does it take for you to start getting withdrawals? On what day of no subs do they kick in?

Cause yeah day 5 now and I'm starting to wonder if I got really lucky somehow with this because I've heard a lot of horror stories.

I took 200mg of Tramadol this morning when I woke up (Well, afternoon). I'm going to stop taking Tramadol for now on. I enjoy the pain relief it gives me from my aches but I want to see if it is causing my lack of withdrawals. It's weird, I want them to come. I want the withdrawals to come so I can get them done with and move on rather than waiting for them.

 

[Paulination]

Hahaha I'm also enjoying insurance from my father (who left) from his work.

I had tapered down to 2mg before I jumped.

For people on suboxone, how long does it take for you to start getting withdrawals? On what day of no subs do they kick in?

Cause yeah day 5 now and I'm starting to wonder if I got really lucky somehow with this because I've heard a lot of horror stories.

I took 200mg of Tramadol this morning when I woke up (Well, afternoon). I'm going to stop taking Tramadol for now on. I enjoy the pain relief it gives me from my aches but I want to see if it is causing my lack of withdrawals. It's weird, I want them to come. I want the withdrawals to come so I can get them done with and move on rather than waiting for them.

Sorry bout your Dad leaving bro thats some shitty shit but atleast you got that nice deal with insurance . well usually the third day is noticeable for me which surprises me that u dont have any withdrawals. I understand why u want the withdrawals, but if they dont come on within a week then theyve already passed, the half life for suboxone is 24-48 hours mean is 37 hours so about half of the suboxone is gone from your body in 37 hours depending on the person ofcourse. so most of it will be gone in 2-5 days and hell falcon maybe your halflife is 48-56 hours they say 48 is the max halflife for most people but for you it could be they dont come on until 7 days! but thats sounds failry impossible and im guessing maybe 1% of the people would have the 56hour half life. lol you should of already been in a state of withdrawal yesterday really. I dont think u shuld wish for withdrawals tho. some times it takes weeks to months for withdrawals to stop with suboxone, just hope your not one them, which i doubt u are since once again like 3% population get those types of month long withdrawals anyway good night guys its 11pm ima watch a little fear and loathing and get some opiate sleep



oh by the way i like to take 150mg of valerian root, 50 mg benadryl, .6 of melatonin and 50mg of chomomile its a mixed sleep blend i take 30minutes before sleeping. also take alot of othr herbal stuff in the morning id like to know if these (which i will ask about tommorow) and these nighttime sleep aids have any negative effect on the suboxone. i know saint johns wort causes withdrawals in people taking subxone and it made me concerned for my own natural medications ill post everything im taking tommorow. would love some imput on it.

good luck with getting of suboxone falcon, i could never do what u are doing. probably cause i get high on it still after 2 1/2 years. heh maybe tolerance does have some good qaulities

 

[JamtasticX]

From thursday until today I had to strech out a tiny amount of subs, I didn't really get withdrawals, other than not being able to sleep. I can usually go a couple days without feeling that shitty, depends on the dose. Although even 1 day w/o sub or heroin or something = no sleep for me. I took 2mg's of kpin yesterday after 4 days with barely any sleep, and it actually knocked me out later Then today some heroin It's great relief to do anything KPin/Sub/Heroin anything after not a while, the relive is so much better