Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

One thing I still don't understand about buprenorphine is why the withdrawls kick in so much faster when administered via injection. I mean, it makes sense that it lasts shorter, but I feel like it's drastically shorter than sublingual. I was attributing this previously to the fact that I've only been on my current low dose for a little over 3 weeks, but subdude informed me that the previous higher dosages should be completely out of my system, and that I should be adjusted to the 1 mg/day. Does this happen with everyone on a low dosage, no matter what the ROA? For instance, does someone who takes a sublingual dosage of 1 mg wake up sick the next morning? I'd be interested to hear peoples experiences.

Some people metabolize drugs quicker than others. Since your dose comes on instantly, it will be metabolized all at once. When taken snorted or sublingually, the onset is a bit more gradual.

Some drugs, like ketamine for instance, are very short lived when IV'd. Ketamine is best used IM'd in my opinion. I have never tried using buprenorphine IM but I imagine the duration is significantly longer. I wouldn't recommend IMing buprenorphine unless you had ampules, or were micron filtering brand name subutex (can't imagine the orange color is much good for your muscles...since micron filtering suboxone renders it slightly orange).

It also might be a psychological thing. I feel effects for at least 3-4 hours, if not longer. Sometimes you gotta tell yourself to wait out a few extra hours. The effects are much shorter than sublingual use, you are right.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I have a question, I dose at .2 mg I.V roughly 5 times a day. my withdrawls kick in around 6 hours after each shot taken. If I were to somehow obtain this DHC, would it be useful with the amount I'm using (subs?) The reason I ask this is because I know that .2 I.V is a lot different than .2 sublingual, but then again, the duration is a lot shorter. I've heard it's real hard to really compare the two ROA, but if anyone has experience, I would be interested.

I think the duration of DHC would be too long, and you wouldn't be able to use your IV suboxone on the regular. You would have to wait for the DHC to stop working.

As for the effects, no idea. I wouldn't spring for any opiates unless they were plenty potent (IV hydromorphone or better) but that's just me personally. I haven't used any opiates other than buprenorphine for a long time and I don't plan on doing so.

 

[formanchristopher]

I think the duration of DHC would be too long, and you wouldn't be able to use your IV suboxone on the regular. You would have to wait for the DHC to stop working.

As for the effects, no idea. I wouldn't spring for any opiates unless they were plenty potent (IV hydromorphone or better) but that's just me personally. I haven't used any opiates other than buprenorphine for a long time and I don't plan on doing so.

...And I for one am damn glad to hear it!!

 

[Znegative]

yeah, it was more of a hypothetical question than anything really. I have never even seen DHC, so the likelihood of me attaining it is nil. Your right about it being a psychological thing, to an extent, though I know that after about 6 hours, if my last shot was .2 mg, I will be feeling uncomfortable.

 

[i are spectre]

to bollweevil and destinys discussion:

skip days are the answer. bollweevil you may have saved my life with that advice concerning my benzo addiction. anyway, back to your conversation. tramadol does wonders for me on my days off bupe, the problem is i want them on the days i take bupe, too. i'm inches away from being off benzos thank GOD (and bollweevil, capn heroin, all you guys).

but you have a hefty amount of benzos there buddy, i would avoid them, if you have an addictive personality. i would stick with bupe one day, then the other day tramadol or DHC only. if you can't sleep use ambien if you wish or diphenhydramine (i hate it though).

i might suggest DHC over because tramadol seems more addictive to me (makes me so damn happy [SSRI/SNRI]). benzo addition/wd is worse than ANY opiate withdrawal ive ever been through, pod tea, tramadol, and oxy. in that order. yes tramadol was worse than any OC wd i ever had.

and yes, i know it SUCKS, but exercise is the best. it's best to find a friend so you can go together, otherwise there is no motivation.

 

[raznaruk138]

^ Try black seed oil on off days. if you want to avoid any other potentially habit forming alternatives,i am amazed with how well it works so far, i last took oc at 6pm last night , and did some bali kratom at like midnight, i am waiting to feel sick to jump back on subs, but feel fine, with just taking a tsp or 2 of this oil about every 8 hours so far. normally i would be very ill by now.

 

[destiny_days]

Is Black Seed Oil where u can get from your local Supplement Health Store?..I dont know about anything getting rid of PAWS because PAWS is really about Healing isnt it?..Its about our bodies and mind not having any opiates and us getting use to not having any opiates in our bodies. Taking something for a little while will just prolong or extend PAWS in my opinion. I think best natural way to combat PAWS is excercise!.

So black seed oil is like a supplment?.

Thanks!.

 

[Heroin Girl]

^I haven't found any black seed oil around here, you may have to order it online. Thanks for the info raznaruk - gonna give it a try.

 

[john3434]

2 Questions

I've been on a 2 week sub taper that starter with 8mg for 2 days followed by doses ranging from 2-4mgs for the following 12 days. The last two days of the taper I took 1/2 of a 2 in the morning and a 1/2 in the afternoon. I understand that it will probably take 36-48 hours (variably) before I feel any other opiates. However, I do have two other questions I wanted to ask.

1. If I were to stay off the Subs and any other opiates for the next 10 days or so, would I experience any kind of real withdrawal after such a short period of time and such a lose dose. I've been through withdrawals from large quantities of Percs everyday for almost a year as well as withdrawals from a 30mg a day IV K4 habit for 6 months. So, those would be my comparison situations. I was seriously hoping I wouldn't go through any real withdrawal at all after low dose, 2 week taper.

2. If I do have withdrawal symptoms, will other opiates, like the Perc 10's, at least alleviate any withdrawal symptoms even if they don't kill pain or produce any effect?

 

[kversion]

question-

hi there

so i'm working on getting into a suboxone program. i have 16mg to get by on until mon., which is when i can see the dr. a nurse failed to tell me that on the phone when i called. anyhoot, here's my issue. i had my last real dose of heroin (ived) yesterday at around 6pm. this morning i found a couple bags with scraps in them, so i did those.

it wasn't much,but i'm not sure if it was enough to throw off my 24hr waiting period. when am i safe to take like 2 mg. of suboxone?

thanks for any replies

 

[AllOverItPDX]

I smoke my h (tar and I always wait a minimum of 16-18 hours. IV might be different tho. I have found sniffing like .5mg every 30 mins or so works best to make sure I dont hit precipitated WDs. Good luck with the Program bro! Suboxone really was a miracle drug for me. Just try not to stay on too long...

 

[kversion]

it's been almost 24 hours since i've IVed a "real" shot. it's that tiny shot this morning that's throwing me off....

 

[john3434]

I've been on a 2 week sub taper that starter with 8mg for 2 days followed by doses ranging from 2-4mgs for the following 12 days. The last two days of the taper I took 1/2 of a 2 in the morning and a 1/2 in the afternoon. I understand that it will probably take 36-48 hours (variably) before I feel any other opiates. However, I do have two other questions I wanted to ask.

1. If I were to stay off the Subs and any other opiates for the next 10 days or so, would I experience any kind of real withdrawal after such a short period of time and such a lose dose. I've been through withdrawals from large quantities of Percs everyday for almost a year as well as withdrawals from a 30mg a day IV K4 habit for 6 months. So, those would be my comparison situations. I was seriously hoping I wouldn't go through any real withdrawal at all after low dose, 2 week taper.

2. If I do have withdrawal symptoms, will other opiates, like the Perc 10's, at least alleviate any withdrawal symptoms even if they don't kill pain or produce any effect?

Can anyone help me with these questions? I would be forever greateful.

 

[Pegasus]

^I had a roommate w/d off of one week of usage like that, so it is certainly possible. Other opiates will certainly help... Just be careful not to cycle back into regular usage!

Good luck.

 

[john3434]

^I had a roommate w/d off of one week of usage like that, so it is certainly possible. Other opiates will certainly help... Just be careful not to cycle back into regular usage!

Good luck.

Thanks. Do you mind me asking if his withdrawal lasted as long as others have stated (2 weeks to several months)? Or was it just a few days of minor withdrawal symptoms?

 

[Pegasus]

skip days are the answer. bollweevil you may have saved my life with that advice concerning my benzo addiction.

Hey, I'm glad you were able to get results like I did from skipping days! I try to get the word to as many people as I can because I know it will help. I appreciate your feedback... it helps me to stay on BL so regularly when I can clearly see that it is helping people.

 

[raznaruk138]

yes Black seed oil is a supplement and it is carried in many health food stores or can easily be ordered online. it is made from the seeds of nigella sativa and contains omega-3 omega-6 linoleic acid, oleic acid, calcium, potassium, iron, zinc, magnesium, selenium, vitamin A, vitamin B, vitamin B2, niacin, and vitamin C. as well as nigellone, and thymoquinone. Thymoquinone is responsible for the analgesic and anti-inflammatory properties, and stimulation of the opioid receptors.

so i don't see why you couldn't just take it forever if it makes you feel better, it's pretty healthy actually, not like using another opiate to extend paws or anything and would probably be a great help with days off when tapering off subs.

My experience with black seed oil has been pretty impressive i notice a slight energy increase and definite mood elevation as well as lessening of wd symptoms. Just do a google search on 'black seed oil for opiate 'withdrawal' 'dependance' or tolerance, there are several studies and personal experiences to validate the effects of this supplement.


To anyone going from H to subs, I have found it was much much easier to switch to oxy for 2-3 days then to subs for me that transition was much easier than H to subs, and you don't have to wait nearly as long to start subs, h seems to linger around on the receptors for a long time for me anyway, whereas i can jump on subs 6-7 hours after taking oc with no worries of pwd, provided i was H free for at least a day or so first. it also seems to me anyway that the lower you can get your intake of your DOC, prior to going to subs the easier it is.

 

[Znegative]

I'm a little freaked out right now. I've missed small amounts of my suboxone injection in the past when I was shooting into my arm, but today I missed a small amount while shooting in my hand. I would say I only missed 1-2 cc's but it does hurt a little. There is no swelling or anything, just feels like a little pinch there. I heard that it is bad to miss in your hand, so should I be worried about this?

 

[Pegasus]

^Check out this link. It's pulled from the first link in my signature, "Proper IV technique".

 

[bigslick57]

new member, suboxone plan, questions

Hey all. New here, i'll give you a brief background of myself. I am 24, have been taking pain killers since i was 16(started with percs/vics/oxys/methadone in high school), in college i stuck to high strength percs/vics/oxys, and the last 2 years i have been taking 3-5 80mg oxys a day(to make me feel normal, no euphoria), last year i have been doing about a gram a day of H(black tar), chasing the dragon, never IV, with the occasional oxy and xanax/klonopin. after my daily spending habits reaching $100 a day every day, i was flat broke, pawning personal items, just rock bottom, i had recently gotten married, and 2 months into it, my wife caught me chasing the dragon, let me say, NOBODY knew of my opiate use other than me this whole time, NOBODY. When she caught me(shes a pastors daughter, clean as could be, never done anything), i thought it was over, my heart dropped, as she is the love of my life and puts up with all my BS. That night was rough, i came clean with her with everything, the next day SHE called my parents without asking(they had no clue) and my parents called me, wanting to help, so now i have this support group that i knew i would have needed, but never thought it would have been there, made an appointment for a SUB doc the next day, did my last dope, the next day was in W/D, saw my doc, and got started on the sub program($400 initial visit with doc, meds are $440 a month for 60 8/2 suboxone), $175 follow up monthly visits with the same cost for meds, wants me on this program for a year or so, its expensive, but so much cheaper than i was paying for my dope. my family is helping with the cost thank god. he also put me on klonopin 2mg twice daily, or xanax 2mg twice daily for my severe anxiety, i couldnt even talk to people. i dont want on the benzos long term, but the first month or two while im adjusting, i want to be able to function at work as i talk to high profile clients at my job all day. its been 17 days now i beleive, and i am feeling so-so, i did relapse ONE DAY(this last monday) with a half a g of dope, just because i had such a bad day(got pulled over on my way to work, got a $1,500 ticket, AND some other stressful events. relapsing was a bad idea and i wish i didnt do it, but i did, and regret it and wont do it again(i hope). so i am taking two suboxones a day right now(sometimes an extra half) trying to make it til the next appointment. i took a little too much xanax when i first got them, same with klonopin, and ran out. i know bad idea, but it was the addict in me, i wont do that again.

sorry for the long post, just wanted to give you a brief overview of my situation and hope you read it.

NOW FOR MY REAL QUESTION. I ordered some "2mg clonazepam" over the phone from the farmacia i always go to in Nogales(been there at least 10 times, always gotten good product), they overnighted it, got it this morning, they are the generic ones instead of the rivotril. they are "small white round pills, white, blank on one side, score on the other", ive done research online, cant find anything8), just wondering if anyone had similar experience. thanks! i look forward to posting here for the long run