Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[RaveToTheGrave]

I missed my methadone clinic this weekend and they would of given me two bottles for sunday and MLKJ day, luckily I had a few 8mg suboxones to hold me, but I was on 90mg of methadone and waited 48 hours and sniffed 4mg, hoping the higher BA of insulflated bupe would be able to overcome my illness, it took about 16mg but I am fine, I have 2 8's left and tomorrow should be getting more from the walk clinic in NYC Bellvue hospital. I can not believe I switched from such a high dose with minimal if any discomfort. I have plenty of benzos too, which might of helped, but still I am fine. Bupe is the best answer for opiate addicts, all you have to do is wait 24 hours if you want to use another opiod and it really feels nice to be in control of life with bupe and not hand cuffed by methadone. I am happy I overslept and missed the clinic. I do not recommend anybody on a high dose of methadone to switch like I did, it might not work for you as well as it did for me. Anyway does the ceiling effect pertain to only 16-32mg of bupe by way of IV or any route of administration?

 

[NoRtYByN8uRe*]

I take about 160mcg at a time now, and I hope to taper down even lower (I just got down there from 166.6...mcg).

I'm going to post my plans to continue tapering lower. I might revise this as I think my solution might last me longer than expected though it's hard to anticipate.

mg | mL = mg/mL
10 unit dose = mcg (1000 mcg to 1mg)

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my dose is at about 666 micrograms per day. i cut a 2mg pill in half, then each half into thirds, giving me 6 triangles at 1/3mg each. i take one in the morning one in the evening.

i was thinking about trying the dissolve in solution method.

is bupe completely stable in water? my concern was it might degrade or something

any tips for this method?

 

[Pusherman]

Getting high off Subs

I have about 200 eight miligram suboxone from the days I was using them from maintenance. The reason I have so many is because my doctor was always liberal when it came to suboxone, and I didn't much enjoy them as they taste like ass and didn't do jack after awhile for me Actually the more I told him I didn't like them the more he would prescribe them to me.

Well, now that I am off them, and looking to get a little opiate high..if I do not have a tolerance to them will I catch a buzz from the subs.

What ROA should I use, maybe do like a 4 mg line??

 

[2point2ek]

I am an opiate user, well a binge user, and suboxones most the time fuck me up more then opiates did..
(traditional under tongue method)

 

[Pusherman]

When I did do subs I usually snorted them, not to get high, but because the taste and all the subuxone spit made me want to hurl. I noticed sometime when I would snort a little it would intensify my lyrica buzz.

I am going to do 2mg under the tongue, and if that doesnt do it 2mg up the nose.

I took some zofran 20 min ago to combat the nausea.

 

[Lando138]

It depends on when you last used any opiates i suppose. If you haven't used in a while (that's the way it sounds) i would say most likely you would catch a buzz. I know when i first started them i got a buzz my first few times, and that was after coming right off the oxy.

If its been a long time and you think your tolerance has gone way down i would suggest starting with 2mg instead of 4. And definitely wait at least an hour before re-dosing, those buggers take a while to kick in. And personally, i wouldn't rail it. Made me sick when i tried it.

 

[fm1983]

If it truly has been a long time since you have used, I think the 2mg should get you nice. Supposedly opiate naive folks can get real noddy at 1mg... If that doesn't get you, go up to 4mg max, but go in 1mg increments. Any higher and it's not going to be much a difference. Less is more with suboxone. Also, I would wait a good 45mn-1hr if taking sublingualy, as it takes a long time to kick (30min tops snorted).

If you are taking it sublingualy, use the alcohol method to boost the BA%. I personally like the snort my subs, seems to work better for me that way.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Take 1mg or less, if you don't have an opiate tolerance.

1mg would floor some people without an opiate tolerance.

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I do not recommend anybody on a high dose of methadone to switch like I did, it might not work for you as well as it did for me. Anyway does the ceiling effect pertain to only 16-32mg of bupe by way of IV or any route of administration?

Yeah I don't recommend many people switch from methadone to buprenorphine that quickly.

*please* do not IV that large of buprenorphine, you won't get much of anything out of it that way. Buprenorphine is only effective in < 2mg/dose (for an intermediate/small tolerance), or < 1mg/dose (for a small/next to zero tolerance). If your tolerance is more than just "intermediate", stick to sublingual administration.

my dose is at about 666 micrograms per day. i cut a 2mg pill in half, then each half into thirds, giving me 6 triangles at 1/3mg each. i take one in the morning one in the evening.

i was thinking about trying the dissolve in solution method.

is bupe completely stable in water? my concern was it might degrade or something

any tips for this method?

No, buprenorphine will not break down in water. I have kept an IV buprenorphine solution in my fridge for 2-3 weeks, I have had no problems. Just as potent as the first day I filtered it.

Heroin will hydrolyze in water, but this is a pretty unique phenomenon - most opiates are stable in water, whereas heroin is not and ampules of diamorphine are dry (no liquid inside it).

 

[Pusherman]

Yeah it's been awhile.. about a year since used regularly.

2mg did nothing....except i feel a lil spacey and speedy going up 2mg.

 

[Tommyboy]

I took 16mg yesterday after rarely using opiates since the summer. I was floored, just floating around since I had to stay awake. My friend took 8mg and was floored too. Its def too much to enjoy, We both would have been better off taking 4mg to get really high while still functional.

 

[Lando138]

Guys i'm completely lost.

I started subs about two months ago. My original dose was 6mg's, shortly after i was upped to 8mg's (some of you may remember me talking about this, sorry for reapeating) and thats been holding me for about a month and a half or so. But over the past week or so i've been having horrible cravings. Its almost to the point where it feels like withdrawals. I don't physically feel all that bad. I guess its more of a mental thing. But mentally i feel so bad it feels physical. Haha if that makes any sense at all. Do you think i need to up my dose? I really don't want to because it seems like if i have to up it i'm going to have to keep uping it, and i DO eventually want to get off the stuff. I almost want to say F it and quit the subs because they really don't seem to be doing anything. I would kill for my DOC right now (not literally). I would totally give in and relapse but i've got so much pressure from my family and gf not to. What do i do? Any thoughts/opinions would be greatly appreciated.

 

[rolls_]

If you are at the point where you think you seriously might relapse then up the dose. I know you want to get off it quickly, but if you relapse you have to start all over anyway taking longer than if you just up the dose now.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yeah it's been awhile.. about a year since used regularly.

2mg did nothing....except i feel a lil spacey and speedy going up 2mg.

"Spacey and speedy" - sounds a lot like low dose buprenorphine to me, with that classic "opiate feel" that also feels somewhat synthetic.

It's hard to put drug experiences into words, especially opiates.

Guys i'm completely lost.

I started subs about two months ago. My original dose was 6mg's, shortly after i was upped to 8mg's (some of you may remember me talking about this, sorry for reapeating) and thats been holding me for about a month and a half or so. But over the past week or so i've been having horrible cravings. Its almost to the point where it feels like withdrawals. I don't physically feel all that bad. I guess its more of a mental thing. But mentally i feel so bad it feels physical. Haha if that makes any sense at all. Do you think i need to up my dose? I really don't want to because it seems like if i have to up it i'm going to have to keep uping it, and i DO eventually want to get off the stuff. I almost want to say F it and quit the subs because they really don't seem to be doing anything. I would kill for my DOC right now (not literally). I would totally give in and relapse but i've got so much pressure from my family and gf not to. What do i do? Any thoughts/opinions would be greatly appreciated.

It's OK you're bringing it up again Lando.

I would suggest you try tapering down. If I was taking 8mg a day I'd probably feel like having WD's too.

Too much buprenorphine can mentally antagonize onesself, it's a weird effect.

Try taking 6mg or 4mg, see how it feels. I don't think you need to up your dose, you should lower it. You can always take more, but you should try taking less if you feel like it's time.

When I had too much buprenorphine a few times I got really agitated/not fun. Try a little less, you might find perfect results! If not, you can try taking more, but I fear that's the problem.

 

[Pusherman]

Captain how are you able to get high off suboxone still....I am curious I need to know I have so much of this stuff it is ridiculous.

How long should I stay off it before I try to catch a buzz again, that's if I can?

 

[rolls_]

The longer the better and aim for low doses like 1-2mg max, maybe 3-6 month break optimally?

 

[Pusherman]

Dayum I been pratically clean for over a year. I have to wait 3-6 months now to feel suboxone. What a waiste I think Captain right euphoriants arent even that euphoric to me anymore I need psychedelics. I am sure I would have to feel a couple hits of acid .. Plus i never done that before. Screw chasing euphoria it not worth it anymore.

 

[dopiate]

Dayum I been pratically clean for over a year. I have to wait 3-6 months now to feel suboxone. What a waiste I think Captain right euphoriants arent even that euphoric to me anymore I need psychedelics. I am sure I would have to feel a couple hits of acid .. Plus i never done that before. Screw chasing euphoria it not worth it anymore.

well said...

 

[lurching]

i've been using it twice a week (for the last four months or so) at 0.5 to 1.0mg doses, insufflated. still gets me as much effect as the first time, and i get no WD inbetween doses even when skipping a week or two. enjoyable energetic effects, not as clouding and physically sedative as a full agonist (morphine), but pleasant in a more lucid way. oh and just about as much itchiness and constipation as with any other long lasting opioid (lots).

 

[rolls_]

but i think it is such a farther step in the right direction opposed to methadone.

I totally agree with you here, it not only treats the withdrawal symptoms but it also helps you get past the 'I want to get high' mentality and helps block other opiates as well.

I think it really is very successful at what it attempts to do.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Captain how are you able to get high off suboxone still....I am curious I need to know I have so much of this stuff it is ridiculous.

How long should I stay off it before I try to catch a buzz again, that's if I can?

I have down regulated my mu opioid receptors by staying away from short acting opiates other than a single encounter with 1mg IV dilaudid, and 15mg IV oxycodone. Other than that over the course of 15 months I have stayed true to buprenorphine mostly because its the best option.

Buprenorphine is active in sub MG dosages for sure.

Well it depends, how much Suboxone do you take in a day, what's your previous opiate history tolerance like?


After I spent a year on H it took me about a year or more to get my tolerance back down to where I needed it to be.

Dayum I been pratically clean for over a year. I have to wait 3-6 months now to feel suboxone. What a waiste I think Captain right euphoriants arent even that euphoric to me anymore I need psychedelics. I am sure I would have to feel a couple hits of acid .. Plus i never done that before. Screw chasing euphoria it not worth it anymore.

It's better to avoid trying to get high on drugs if you can at all.

For people like me, who were on heroin (and esentially only would smoke weed besides that, and do free cocaine and use psychedelics) - it's great that I can feel < 1mg buprenorphine. The fact is not everyone can enjoy being on buprenorphine, it's the nature of the drug itself. I'm blessed to still have my down regulated mu opioid receptors.

If you can say "it's better to go without" to yourself without micron filtering buprenorphine soultion to measure out 10 units = 125mcg per dose like I do, I think that's great. For me, this is what I have to keep me going to get off of heroin in the long run complete. :D