Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Deveel]

captheroin are u iving suboxone?? doesnt the naltrex block tha high?

 

[Deveel]

0k so when hes referencing iving bup hes talking about subutex?

 

[rolls_]

0k so when hes referencing iving bup hes talking about subutex?

nah the buprenorphine outcompetes the natrexone so that you still get basically the same high with suboxone as you do with subutex.

 

[Deveel]

true this is a reason I gave my suboxone back to my doctor to hold onto as a backup plan cause knowing myself I'd go buy some pins and start IVing the shit. And convince myself its ok cause its the same as the subling. route but Im just IVing it to use less and save money.

 

[Falcon0r]

The naloxone was put there supposedly to help it gain FDA approval, I heard a few people in different places on the internet say.

When the Bupe and the Naloxone both enter the body, they compete for the opioid receptors, but the bupe wins. That's like, when you're on Suboxone and you take some Oxycontin and don't get high - it's the bupe blocking the high, not the naloxone. The bupe has a very high binding affinity, it binds itself very tightly to the opioid receptors - nothing else can get in.

All over the UK and possibly other European countries there's a ton of people shooting up Suboxone (And Subutex if they can get it, I'm sure) and they're all gettin' fucked up.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^^^
IV suboxone is quite pointless. The naltrexone blocks a high to a point, but it isn't going to throw you into withdrawals.

Naltrexone isn't in Suboxone. Naloxone is.

IVing buprenorphine is only pointless if you have a medium/large opiate tolerance.

captheroin are u iving suboxone?? doesnt the naltrex block tha high?

Yes I am IVing buprenorphine via Suboxone. The naloxone does nothing at all, it is out-competed by buprenorphine for the mu-opioid receptor.

true this is a reason I gave my suboxone back to my doctor to hold onto as a backup plan cause knowing myself I'd go buy some pins and start IVing the shit. And convince myself its ok cause its the same as the subling. route but Im just IVing it to use less and save money.

The thing is, if you have any sort of opiate tolerance, you'll get more out of the drug by using it sublingually.

The duration will be much longer.

Also, you won't have any added benefits from IV use of buprenorphine unless you have a low/zero opiate tolerance like I do.

 

[rolls_]

CH don't you want to get off the needle soon if you are trying to quit? If you are getting a rush and still using the needle isn't this just like using a very small amount of heroin?

Surely it would be more beneficial to start dosing orally and only once a day, then once every 2nd day etc?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

CH don't you want to get off the needle soon if you are trying to quit? If you are getting a rush and still using the needle isn't this just like using a very small amount of heroin?

Surely it would be more beneficial to start dosing orally and only once a day, then once every 2nd day etc?

Nah, it's nothing like heroin. Since it's a partial agonist it's a lot more subtle. Plus, buprenorphine has a "stimulating" edge to it.

I primarily snorted heroin, not shot it. So I don't have a problem with IVing or not IVing. If I have to I can use Suboxone sublingually and it lasts much longer that way, I just prefer conserving it.

It's not really like a small amount of heroin. A small amount of heroin will leave you craving more...buprenorphine doesn't leave me doing that. I've seen some people crave IV bupe and would probably sit around shooting it as frequently as OC's can go. I don't get it because it's too subtle and not "full on euphoria". You can definitely get "full on euphoria" with it but I would need hydroxyzine and/or benzos to get there.

 

[rolls_]

Nah, it's nothing like heroin. Since it's a partial agonist it's a lot more subtle. Plus, buprenorphine has a "stimulating" edge to it.

I primarily snorted heroin, not shot it. So I don't have a problem with IVing or not IVing. If I have to I can use Suboxone sublingually and it lasts much longer that way, I just prefer conserving it.

It's not really like a small amount of heroin.

No I get that its not actually like heroin, I just meant the action of shooting up something to get a buzz is.

I was just saying surely part of the process of getting off means stopping using the needle, or are you planning to just go from 4 IV shots a day to nothing once you taper low enough?

I just figured it would be easier to go from the IV to sublingual then to nothing.

 

[LivingOnValium]

I started using bupe recreationally years ago but got addicted to it physically ca. 6 months ago. I try to use 3mg/day because I'm not in any maintanance program. I buy my subs from my dealer and they're reasonably pricy here (in general, not just from my dealer. That's a reason to inject the drug but i used shoot it back then when i was just a casual user.

As i do every morning I injected 2mg bupe and will inject 1mg in the afternoon. The best moment of my day is definately the morning. I just love it when i've showered and brushed my teeth etc. and it's time for my daily morning shot of bupe. I still get that sedated (but energic at the same time), warm feeling. Drinking coffee, smoking cigs and reading a newspaper in the morning always feel very enjoyable. The 1mg shoot in the afternoon doesn't hit me like that but i surely can notice it. If I do more bupe in the evening the shot next morning doesn't feel that great at all. It's actually just like smoking a cigarette if I've overdone bupe the previous day.

I've noticed that using the 3mg/day i get the most recreation out bupe in daily use.

Bupe here very common article in the street drug market. It's always available and more people use it for recreation or to feed their addiction than with heroin.

I use Subutex (no naloxone) since bupe sold in the street here is always Subutex.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

buprenorphine tapering

No I get that its not actually like heroin, I just meant the action of shooting up something to get a buzz is.

I was just saying surely part of the process of getting off means stopping using the needle, or are you planning to just go from 4 IV shots a day to nothing once you taper low enough?

I just figured it would be easier to go from the IV to sublingual then to nothing.

You bring up a good point, however I don't "desire" it in the same way I do heroin. Buprenorphine is more of a maintenance thing for me, and I end up using less with this ROA. The effect is enjoyable, even with sublingual (6/7's method is a great way to boost the BA).

I plan on tapering lower and lower IV-wise, slowly over time. Eventually I'll get to IVing no buprenorphine. I might wean myself off of shooting overall with IV hydroxyzine to reduce anxiety, and help with the buprenorphine WD's.

But beyond that, I'm not really addicted to any other drugs and I don't really like IVing most other drugs on a regular basis, though I have tried shooting many substances.

This is a good time for me to post my current taper schedule. I'm going to revise it to fit how I've been stepping down thus far.

10 unit dose in micrograms (each step is going to last 1 and 1/2 to 3 and 1/2 weeks depending on how much I prep at a time, and other things)

160 mcg
150 mcg
125 mcg -> where I am at now. 125mcg = 0.125mg
100 mcg
88 mcg
77 mcg
66 mcg
57 mcg
50 mcg
44 mcg
40 mcg
35 mcg
30 mcg
25 mcg
20 mcg

So far, tapering to the amount I am on now has been no problem at all. I sped up my process quite a bit, and had many more steps planned, but I think this is more reasonable for me.

IDK, I think its pointless to IV.

Have you ever tried it before? It's certainly not pointless, otherwise how would you get the drug in?

I started using bupe recreationally years ago but got addicted to it physically ca. 6 months ago. I try to use 3mg/day because I'm not in any maintanance program. I buy my subs from my dealer and they're reasonably pricy here (in general, not just from my dealer. That's a reason to inject the drug but i used shoot it back then when i was just a casual user.

As i do every morning I injected 2mg bupe and will inject 1mg in the afternoon. The best moment of my day is definately the morning. I just love it when i've showered and brushed my teeth etc. and it's time for my daily morning shot of bupe. I still get that sedated (but energic at the same time), warm feeling. Drinking coffee, smoking cigs and reading a newspaper in the morning always feel very enjoyable. The 1mg shoot in the afternoon doesn't hit me like that but i surely can notice it. If I do more bupe in the evening the shot next morning doesn't feel that great at all. It's actually just like smoking a cigarette if I've overdone bupe the previous day.

I've noticed that using the 3mg/day i get the most recreation out bupe in daily use.

Bupe here very common article in the street drug market. It's always available and more people use it for recreation or to feed their addiction than with heroin.

I use Subutex (no naloxone) since bupe sold in the street here is always Subutex.

If you don't like how you feel the next day after using what you have, try cutting back a little.

When I went from 1mg shots to 0.5mg shots I preferred 0.5mg per dose.

I had less WD symptoms when I would wake up in the morning. I suggest you try 0.5mg/dose and see if you can stretch it just as far.

 

[Falcon0r]

I just shot approximately 2mg Suboxone like ten minutes ago. Got nothing, I just feel more tired than I already did (And I felt pretty tired). Not worth it for me - my tolerance is too high. But now I know!

 

[Suboxone]

i havnt gone from bupe to fent but i did go from bupe 8mg a day to methadone 120mg for 3 days, it was the perfect amount to breakthrough and achieve a lasting nod. but when i went back to the bupe 60 hrs after my tolerance had risen and even on the bupe i had to sit through withdrawal for four days since the bupe wasnt strong enough. anyone have any experience with this?

(Keep this in mind, this is something I heard from a doctor, it may or may not be true. this sort of goes against what i have thought BUT i've been in a similar situation and found it could potentially be true. my doctor tends to be realistic with me and tells me the truth about suboxone... sometimes i wonder if he's abusing it himself )

because of the "rules" of precipitated withdrawal, i think it's not because the bupe wasn't strong enough, but that the methadone wasn't weak enough. i believe it's 8mg buprenorphine is approximately the same as 30mg methadone. because 120mg > 30mg you were placed into precipitated withdrawal. your tolerance needs to be at or below the 30mg methadone equivalent. i guess it's just safer to have no opiates in your system. some clinics/rehabs in the northeast US will give you an estimated methadone equivalent to what you were using and then taper you down to 30mg, then switch you to suboxone. it was the most painfree detox ever!

 

[fistful_of_needles]

The main problem I'm facing with tapering down from 2mgs is that I know from personal experience that anything below that amount will allow me to use my DOC and feel little to no blockage whatsoever ,whereas if I happen to be on anything above 2-4mgs I find it not worth it to do H since I do not feel it as I'd normally would had I not taken the Bupre ...this is a problem since most my mates are still using and I feel that in the absence of bupre I may just succumb to temptation thus relapsing.

 

[Falcon0r]

The main problem I'm facing with tapering down from 2mgs is that I know from personal experience that anything below that amount will allow me to use my DOC and feel little to no blockage whatsoever ,whereas if I happen to be on anything above 2-4mgs I find it not worth it to do H since I do not feel it as I'd normally would had I not taken the Bupre ...this is a problem since most my mates are still using and I feel that in the absence of bupre I may just succumb to temptation thus relapsing.

You need to be changing a lot more in your life than the dose of bupe you're on if you're trying to remain sober. Really. If you want to get off bupe eventually, and stay sober, you need to remove that shit from your life entirely.

 

[Suboxone]

The main problem I'm facing with tapering down from 2mgs is that I know from personal experience that anything below that amount will allow me to use my DOC and feel little to no blockage whatsoever ,whereas if I happen to be on anything above 2-4mgs I find it not worth it to do H since I do not feel it as I'd normally would had I not taken the Bupre ...this is a problem since most my mates are still using and I feel that in the absence of bupre I may just succumb to temptation thus relapsing.

you can always just continue to use suboxone while you use. it'll dampen the high a bit but if you don't stop it you can continue the subs and never go into withdrawal. why bother stopping? just drop to 2-4 and then maintain that dose while you're using, then go back up.

just an idea, not that i'm advocating relapsing...i wouldn't go back to that if someone held a gun to my head.

 

[Deveel]

Hey guys I had a weird reaction to low-dose suboxone and this is the 2nd time this has happened lets see if you guys can figure this out, I'm wating for the doctor to call me back and I wanna see if he even knows.

I havn't used any oxycodone since Sunday when I did 300mg in 5 minutes. High dose considering I hadnt used in 4.5months. Well anyway I dosed 300mg once a day for 10 days. Stopped Monday and didn't go throw any wd's aside from mental and minor physical. Well today (saturday) the post acute wd's were bothering me. I didnt sleep last night (not the first time this week). And my brain is like not sending messages to my body to eat, drink, sleep ect. So I took one 2mg suboxone to alleviate symptoms. Well right after I took it I felt like I was getting dope sick. I got drug tested by my halfway house and came up clean. It got worse and I layed down and closed my eyes for 3 hours but didn't sleep. Got up for a minute and it came back so hard I puked and its kinda got better. This happened to me in August when I took a pill not cause I was WDing but because I didnt want to use and wanted to fight the cravings. I took 2-6mg I cant remember and the same thing happened.

Whats the deal here? Its like making me sick doesnt it help that? Maybe cause I'm not WDing and I recentley did opiates but their not in my system. I don't feel good I'll check back later.

 

[BupeOxyRepeat]

Does this sound like a decent mix for someone whose been off bupe 8mg day for 4 days?

One 5mg/325mg percocet, two 100 mg darvon (no APAP), and two 25 mg Promethazine tabs.

I'm thinking it will be too weak ...

 

[oneswtwld]

ive been taking 2mgs 2x a day for a few months///

took that today

how long shoud I wait to snort Heroin?

ps

I got a hold of another sub script

changed my tapering schedule


although, I just FINALLY got a new job so, I dont know how I am going to approach it now

one love

thanx again Capt. H!

 

[OPsFORME]

Appointment for Subs Monday

What's good all my fellow BL's?? I just had a few question, I know several peeps on here will have great advice for me.

I have a doctors appointment Monday @ 10:00am. The lady asked me if I just wanted a script or wanted to do the suboxone treatment plan (I told her a script). Reason I say that is cuz I figured the treatment plan would cost more. I have insurance so my co-pay won't be much, but I dunno about the prescription (I've heard they're pretty pricey, but price doesn't matter when you're dealing with life n freedom).

I was introduced to opiates 4 years ago when I was hit by a drunk driver on my sport bike (I shattered my heel n have had back problems since). I was prescribed 10/500 lortabs 240 a month for a year, then I was in pain managment afterwards n I got 120-90 10/500 a month for a year. I started to abuse them about 1 1/2-2yrs in. Then before I knew it I started gettin rid of them to get the bigger n better stuff (since they didn't help with my pain n doc wouldn't bump it up to something stronger since I was only 19 at the time). I started doing about 160mg's of OC a day (if not more). I had to have at least an 80 to not w/d. I got clean for 6months n moved to stay clean/away from drugs. Now I've been doing nothing, but heroin for the past 8 months since I get it way cheaper than oxy's.

Now since I got that out of the way, here are the question... I do about a half g every day sometimes a gram will last a few days. I don't use the needle I just snort it. How much do you guys think my recommended dose will be? Will I be considered a heavy or light user? Is there any way I can get subutex (I've had suboxone n it taste like ass to me)? Also will he flag me to where I can't get lortabs in the future if something happens (not that I will ever want to do them again, they've fucked my life up so bad)? Will he recommend that I'm on the treatment plan, I plan to have my girlfriend monitor it for me n taper me off? How long will I be on it?

I refuse to take methadone since it's harder to kick then what I'm doing. I know I have to be clean starting tomorrow at 10:00am so I'll be 24hrs into my w/d's when I see the doc. I've been wanting to quit n have tried every way possible except medical help n I know this is going to work out for me.

Thank you for all the help, it really means a lot to me. I love this site cuz I know right when I post this I will get all the help n advice I've been looking for in the matter of minutes!!

I have half a g left. I'm planning on doing a few points n get wasted tonight n do a point around 7:00-8:00am tomorrow morning so I don't feel like total asshole lol.

Thanks again,
~DJ Play~