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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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So I recently went on an OC binge of about a week 80-120mgs a day for about 5 or 6 days before that I was using on and off usually every two or three days of an 80 or so for about 4 months. I was about 24-36 hours into withdrawl when a friend of mine handed me a bag with maybe one and a half like broken up suboxone pieces. (Not even sure if its 8mg or 2, probably 8). So i took a good amount and put it under my tounge, i didn't feel too much better a half hour later so I tried a little more. I really am trying to quit not get high, I really have trouble with the anxiety and depression of withdrawal even though I am prescribed benzos. But those two pieces got me like a little high which was not my goal, i just wanted to not feel like shit. I have a few more little pieces, should i still use them or am I just hurting myself and prolonging the withdrawal?
 
I've been on Suboxone for a while now and have been having some issues with cravings. Granted, I'd definitely never go back to being physically dependent, I have been on the edge of a relapse for the past week.

Over the past few days I've been getting back into snorting my Suboxone. I was on a dose of 16mg/day and have now lowered myself to 4mg twice daily insufflated. Along with getting a nice buzz, I've also been feeling a lot better as far as cravings and stuff go.

What is a reasonable insufflated/injected dose to get myself down to?
What is the best process to inject Suboxone?

Also, are any of your Suboxone doctors switching patients over to Subutex because it's available in a much cheaper generic version? What are some factors that they look at if they will consider switching you over?
 
How do you snort suboxone? Just crush it up n sniff away (like any other pill)? I'm on 24mgs a day n I can't stand the taste under my tongue for half an hour. Also does snorting suboxone make you go into withdrawals?
 
OPsFORME said:
How do you snort suboxone? Just crush it up n sniff away (like any other pill)? I'm on 24mgs a day n I can't stand the taste under my tongue for half an hour. Also does snorting suboxone make you go into withdrawals?
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Yes, just like every other pill. If you're on that much you'll need to snort a lot, you need to drop your average dose quite a bit.


I haven't gone through withdrawal from doing it. If I'm not mistaken, the membranes in the nasal passage are similar to the ones under your tongue, I'm not sure how the drug can tell the difference. I think they just say that to scare you.
 
askaboutme said:
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that's relative to your regular dose. i'd say snorting about half of a standard sublingual dose should yield the desired effects. as i said, my typical dose is 8mg twice daily and i have been shorting 4mg twice daily.

the lower your dose is, the less you can snort. on the same token, the lower your dose is, the higher you get. you're going to have to just test it out and see how you do.

buprenorphine is a weird drug dude, more doesn't always mean better.
 
baschoen said:
So I recently went on an OC binge of about a week 80-120mgs a day for about 5 or 6 days before that I was using on and off usually every two or three days of an 80 or so for about 4 months. I was about 24-36 hours into withdrawl when a friend of mine handed me a bag with maybe one and a half like broken up suboxone pieces. (Not even sure if its 8mg or 2, probably 8). So i took a good amount and put it under my tounge, i didn't feel too much better a half hour later so I tried a little more. I really am trying to quit not get high, I really have trouble with the anxiety and depression of withdrawal even though I am prescribed benzos. But those two pieces got me like a little high which was not my goal, i just wanted to not feel like shit. I have a few more little pieces, should i still use them or am I just hurting myself and prolonging the withdrawal?
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Let me ask you this, what kind of benzos are you on, how much per day, how often do you take it?

Give Suboxone time to work, and keep taking more if you really do need it.

Sorry to hear about the relapse, good luck on getting back on the straight and narrow.
 
I just snorted 8mg since I've only taken 8mg this morning (my daily dose is 24mg). The drip taste like asshole n my right eye burns (snorted out of right nostrel).

I don't feel any effects, I just did it like 15 minutes tho. Damn that was a lot of powder. I might just stick with it under my tongue... We'll see tho.

~DJ Play~
 
i get klonopins 1mg per day but I don't usually take them everyday necessarily, especially if i do opiates. heres my question tho am I going to go into withdrawls after im done with the suboxone? I know ill feel depressed and cravings probably im more curious about the physical withdrawal I guess.

oh and also, I try to keep it to .5 klonopin at a time so I can take two in one day. Im really careful with my benzos because im not about opis.
 
Suboxone said:
I've been on Suboxone for a while now and have been having some issues with cravings. Granted, I'd definitely never go back to being physically dependent, I have been on the edge of a relapse for the past week.

Over the past few days I've been getting back into snorting my Suboxone. I was on a dose of 16mg/day and have now lowered myself to 4mg twice daily insufflated. Along with getting a nice buzz, I've also been feeling a lot better as far as cravings and stuff go.

What is a reasonable insufflated/injected dose to get myself down to?
What is the best process to inject Suboxone?

Also, are any of your Suboxone doctors switching patients over to Subutex because it's available in a much cheaper generic version? What are some factors that they look at if they will consider switching you over?
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I would use it sublingually until you have gotten past the 1-2mg or more per day barrier. Once I got past that, < 1mg/day is a lot easier. That's where I would switch over to other ROA's (is when you get to 1 or 2mg sublingually per day). If you want to snort instead of sublingually that's OK too. If you can snort 1-2mg/day then you can switch over too.

I'm not going to suggest IVing Suboxone is the best idea without using a micron filter - the mega thread I made on how to use micron filters to prepare pills for IV. Please visit that thread for more information on micron filtering in general, but also about micron filtering Suboxone for injection.

If you want to inject Suboxone without a micron filter, please understand that...​

1) missing a shot (into the subcutaneous area) of Suboxone (when not micron filtered) can be worse than missing a shot of heroin, etc. 8mg Suboxone tablets are roughly 2% buprenorphine. The rest is a whole bunch of stuff you don't want to miss. If you do not have excellent IVing skills, please reconsider IVing Suboxone without micron filtering (or really at all).

2) DO NOT back load it and do a cold shake with Suboxone. Some people have said they have done this, DO NOT DO IT. If you are REALLY going to do this (like I did for a whole year before getting micron filters), then do it like this. Once again, please don't, just read the link and PM me if you need micron filters and more info on it (after you've read the thread I linked ;)).

3) It's a risk you're taking upon yourself. Shooting pill particles into the muscle, subcutaneous fat, or arteries may lead to IV complications. You can check out the IV Complications Mega Thread or the Case Studies thread for more information about why you should micron filter any pills you plan on injecting.

4) If you have a large/moderately-large opiate tolerance you can FORGET about getting any positive effect from IV buprenorphine you can't get from sublingual use. It took me much tapering with IV buprenorphine before I got to the point where I get a rush and high with each injection instead of just quicker relief. So I beg of you to taper with the sublingual ROA (or snorted) until you are at a place where you are injecting, overall, not a lot of Suboxone. The idea is if you are injecting more than 0.5mg to 1mg of Suboxone at a time, there's going to be more inactives in your shot (you can't avoid it without using a micron filter). This is not going to be a good thing unless you are very certain with 98% accuracy you are going to make it into the vein without any issues.

Well here's how you would go about doing it (for harm reduction's sake - I do not want people backloading Suboxone - magnesium stearate DOES NOT need to be injected! it is bad for you when IV'd!)

1) crush up a known amount of Suboxone, on a clean mirror with a clean razor, divide the powder into piles.
2) use as much as you'd like. I'd typically combine 0.5mg into 40 or 60 units for 2 shots (I don't forget exact mg to unit proportions but it was close to that).
3) push in the water with the Suboxone (not directly into it, it'll go flying everywhere - just push the water in around the Suboxone pile of powder and then shake the spoon or cooker)
4) Give it a few minutes. Some of the insoluble inactive ingredients will settle to the bottom. If you are going to use a cotton filter (those kind that they give out at the exchanges), then you don't really "need" to wait but I still would (justa personal preference). So then if you are using a filter, stick the needle tip into the cotton ball. Push it into the spoon, wait for it to slowly soak up the solution and pull back accordingly. If you are *not* using a filter, then what you want to do is you want to get the solution at the top of the spoon, not the bottom (that's where the insoluble inactive ingredients like magnesium stearate) - you might need to leave a few units' so as to avoid clogging the needle tip, or you can try to get most of your water back, but be careful so as to avoid pulling back any of the inactive ingredients.
5) An *additional* good step to do is to then clean out the crud in the cooker/spoon (or use a new cooker/spoon) and push the contents of your shot back out. Look at it, see if there's any crap you can re-filter out with a new cotton. See if the liquid shoots out from the needle tip straight (that would imply nothing is caught - you should be ready to go).

Once again the only reason I posted this is so to prevent people from back-loading pills - this is NOT a good idea! I no longer use this method, I micron filter my pills and it is much safer to do so if you are going to IV them.

baschoen said:
i get klonopins 1mg per day but I don't usually take them everyday necessarily, especially if i do opiates. heres my question tho am I going to go into withdrawls after im done with the suboxone? I know ill feel depressed and cravings probably im more curious about the physical withdrawal I guess.

oh and also, I try to keep it to .5 klonopin at a time so I can take two in one day. Im really careful with my benzos because im not about opis.
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You may or may not, it is hard to answer. There's lots of factors.

Keep the benzos for the comedown for sure! Stock up on benzos for the comedown they will come in handy. Just make sure to be careful with the benzo + buprenorphine synergism.
 
Will be getting my refill tomorrow and curiously enough I've been feeling ok on 1-1.5mgs/day without those major cravings for my DOC which I expected once I realized I would be forced to taper down (due to Sub shortage)...Hydroxyzine and low benzo doses have been extremely helpful too ... I'm just not too sure what I should be doing tomorrow once I get my paws on all those Subs ,something tells me to go back to 2-4mgs daily but on the other hand I know the most reasonable thing to do is try and remain on these low doses (1-1.5mgs/day)since I expect to be opiate free one day ... realizing I didn't have cravings while being aware that on 1-1.5mgs I could easily have indulged in my DOC with little to no blockage was the most rewarding part of this ...felt like another little step towards that place where you slowly start realizing that perhaps getting clean is a possibility.
 
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Congrats!

fistful_of_needles said:
Will be getting my refill tomorrow and curiously enough I've been feeling ok on 1-1.5mgs/day without those major cravings for my DOC which I expected once I realized I would be forced to taper down (due to Sub shortage)...Hydroxyzine and low benzo doses have been extremely helpful too ... I'm just not too sure what I should be doing tomorrow once I get my paws on all those Subs ,something tells me to go back to 2-4mgs daily but on the other hand I know the most reasonable thing to do is try and remain on these low doses (1-1.5mgs/day)since I expect to be opiate free one day ... realizing I didn't have cravings while being aware that on 1-1.5mgs I could easily have indulged in my DOC with little to no blockage was the most rewarding part of this ...felt like another little step towards that place where you slowly start realizing that perhaps getting clean is a possibility.
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Cool! Congratulations on getting by on a small dose man.

Benzodiazepines and hydroxyzine help out a lot for sure. :D
 
Suboxone said:
Thanks for the post and links, CH. Lots of good info!
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No problem! Enjoy reading about how I micron filter Suboxone. It's a good read. It'll help you understand how to micron filter anything really in an efficient, easy way.

It's almost time for me to step down another step.

I'll make a post in the Tapering Mega Thread Leftwing posted about my buprenorphine taper schedule, but I'll also post it in here.

I think I'm about to go from 125mcg/dose to 100mcg/dose.
 
Suboxone half-life questions; Will Klonopins kill me ;)?

Greetings all!

Two questions:

I did oxycodone (160mg/day) and a little heroin for almost two years. My life sucked so I quit. I needed to finish college so a doctor prescribed me Suboxone (16mg/day). I never took that much, and usually I still had half the bottle left over and I tried to help my friends. I stopped taking the Suboxone when I was at 4mg a day on January 12, 2009 (my quit report http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=483029). Today, I am really happy because I'm not yawning, not on the crapper all day and feel really damn good. Am I done with the "withdrawals"? Are there still synthetic opioids in me? I will admit that reading these forums about "slips" and single-use incidents is freaking me out. This leads to my next question:

I am prescribed to 2mg of Clonazepam. I only take 1.5mg/day. I have been taking them for two years. I'm sure many benzo users can attest to the painful feeling of just imagining life without my little green friends (though I heard after a few months the benzos stop working, is this true? My doctor says no...maybe they meant you stop feeling high but that isn't why I take them). I saw research paper and if you insist I will find it that says Clonazepam causes cancer. Also, what about PAW? Am I likely to be affected by this?

I am feeling a lot of anxiety from getting of the bupe. My doctor said I can take more Clonazepam if I feel like I need to. Do you advise this? (you meaning people who know about this :)

Cheers,
Boston340
 
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on the issue of opiates in your system, I read a good article regarding buprenorphine elimination
to me is seemed like solid theory and basically it would say that after stopping buprenorphine, it would take 11 days for it to be completely eliminated from your system IN MOST CASES.

this is assuming a half-life of 37hours i believe or whatever the accepted average is,
 
Just like most other drugs, repeated use will dampen the effects. Over time, it won't work anymore.

As far as clonazepam causing cancer, I'm really doubting that. Any toxin (drug) you put in your body can cause cancer and any radical researcher can find evidence to support his thesis weather it be legit or not.

For me, I don't need benzos anymore. I was on Xanax for over a year due to anxiety, panic disorder, and OCD, for some reason the mental effects from the Suboxone keep me anxiety free. Another option (which I take on occasion during bad attacks) is Lyrica, which gives me much better anxiety relief than any benzo ever did. Lyrica for anxiety is an off-label use, my doctor only used it because I have very very bad reactions to SSRIs. Getting back to what you asked, during the brief amount of time I was off Suboxone I used Lyrica for the anxiety and felt absolutely fine!

Hope that helps a bit, good luck!
 
Safety/withdrawl concerns about jumping from 90mg of meth to 2-3mg of sub a day

Recently I could not tolerate getting hand fead methadone anymore and got a script for 90 8mg subutex, but have only been snorthing 2-4mg a day, which is holding me, but can not sleep. I shot dope last night after sniffing 2mg of subs 12 hours prior, fealt great, but little rush, just the warm blanket. Anyway, does the fact buprenorphine over powers methadone means my addiction to it has been replaced by bupe, as I have not taken any bupe or shot dope for 16 hours, but taken benzos and feel fine. I am concerned about trying to wean down with bupe really fast from such a high dose of methadone and then quitting, although kpins and Xanax seem to help a lot, thats another bad habit I have to get under control.
 
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