Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Deveel]

What's good all my fellow BL's?? I just had a few question, I know several peeps on here will have great advice for me.

I have a doctors appointment Monday @ 10:00am. The lady asked me if I just wanted a script or wanted to do the suboxone treatment plan (I told her a script). Reason I say that is cuz I figured the treatment plan would cost more. I have insurance so my co-pay won't be much, but I dunno about the prescription (I've heard they're pretty pricey, but price doesn't matter when you're dealing with life n freedom).

I was introduced to opiates 4 years ago when I was hit by a drunk driver on my sport bike (I shattered my heel n have had back problems since). I was prescribed 10/500 lortabs 240 a month for a year, then I was in pain managment afterwards n I got 120-90 10/500 a month for a year. I started to abuse them about 1 1/2-2yrs in. Then before I knew it I started gettin rid of them to get the bigger n better stuff (since they didn't help with my pain n doc wouldn't bump it up to something stronger since I was only 19 at the time). I started doing about 160mg's of OC a day (if not more). I had to have at least an 80 to not w/d. I got clean for 6months n moved to stay clean/away from drugs. Now I've been doing nothing, but heroin for the past 8 months since I get it way cheaper than oxy's.

Now since I got that out of the way, here are the question... I do about a half g every day sometimes a gram will last a few days. I don't use the needle I just snort it. How much do you guys think my recommended dose will be? Will I be considered a heavy or light user? Is there any way I can get subutex (I've had suboxone n it taste like ass to me)? Also will he flag me to where I can't get lortabs in the future if something happens (not that I will ever want to do them again, they've fucked my life up so bad)? Will he recommend that I'm on the treatment plan, I plan to have my girlfriend monitor it for me n taper me off? How long will I be on it?

I refuse to take methadone since it's harder to kick then what I'm doing. I know I have to be clean starting tomorrow at 10:00am so I'll be 24hrs into my w/d's when I see the doc. I've been wanting to quit n have tried every way possible except medical help n I know this is going to work out for me.

Thank you for all the help, it really means a lot to me. I love this site cuz I know right when I post this I will get all the help n advice I've been looking for in the matter of minutes!!

I have half a g left. I'm planning on doing a few points n get wasted tonight n do a point around 7:00-8:00am tomorrow morning so I don't feel like total asshole lol.

Thanks again,
~DJ Play~

I'd say taper on the subutex then get off of opiates completley. Doing the suboxone maintence is simply subsistution and is ultimatly another addiction your going to have to quit. Just keep in mind if you really wanna get clean it comes down to you. You may want to consider just checking into a 5-10 day detox facility... you mentioned what great coverage you've got. That sounds like a much more solid idea than your mentioned subutex taper that your girlfriend will administer to you.

Keep in mind though you have to truely look into your heart and see if you want to stop using opiates and drugs or not. Because if not you may be able to stop shortly or maybe for a couple months but eventually you'll find yourself right back where you started wondering wtf.

I say go to a 5-10 day detox program and forget about doing a taper yourself. I'd if you choose not to go this route and I don't understand why you would, you can find a really fucking nice detox if you have good insurance, I'd reccomend seeing if you covered for Sunrise Detox in Lakeworth, Florida. Your insurance might even pay for the plane ticket and if not whats a little extra loot to go on a 10day vacation. I'm sure theres other detoxs like this one if you do your homework you can find one. But man this place is top of the fucking line, bomb food 24hour snacks on hand, the most comfortable beds in the world, flat screen tvs, ciggerette vending machines, and best of all they are extremley fucking good at what they do and will put you on a tappering schedule of suboxone, valium, muscle relaxers, clonodine ect and you will not feel like your detoxing at all, I did it back in august.

Something to look into

 

[OPsFORME]

Deveel^^ I would do a detox program, but I can't. I have college n a job, I wouldn't be able to miss 10 days. I know I can quit if I have the subs. That's how I quit before except I bought em of the street n had my girl taper me off. I was clean for 6 months then was like wtf like you were sayin haha. I know for a fact I can do it this time with the help of the subs. Once I get off everything I just need to tell myself n take a look into the past n see how shitty everything was.

How could I get subutex rather then suboxone? Is there any difference? Like does one work better then the other? Also how many mg's would be ideal for me?

Thanks,
~DJ Play~

 

[Suboxone]

Hey guys I had a weird reaction to low-dose suboxone and this is the 2nd time this has happened lets see if you guys can figure this out, I'm wating for the doctor to call me back and I wanna see if he even knows.

I havn't used any oxycodone since Sunday when I did 300mg in 5 minutes. High dose considering I hadnt used in 4.5months. Well anyway I dosed 300mg once a day for 10 days. Stopped Monday and didn't go throw any wd's aside from mental and minor physical. Well today (saturday) the post acute wd's were bothering me. I didnt sleep last night (not the first time this week). And my brain is like not sending messages to my body to eat, drink, sleep ect. So I took one 2mg suboxone to alleviate symptoms. Well right after I took it I felt like I was getting dope sick. I got drug tested by my halfway house and came up clean. It got worse and I layed down and closed my eyes for 3 hours but didn't sleep. Got up for a minute and it came back so hard I puked and its kinda got better. This happened to me in August when I took a pill not cause I was WDing but because I didnt want to use and wanted to fight the cravings. I took 2-6mg I cant remember and the same thing happened.

Whats the deal here? Its like making me sick doesnt it help that? Maybe cause I'm not WDing and I recentley did opiates but their not in my system. I don't feel good I'll check back later.

I got incredibly sick from my suboxone when i first started it. Like you, I had been using, and cleaned up and wasn't in immediate withdrawal but the post-acute withdrawal was tearing me up. My opiate tolerance was so low that my starting dose of 2mg suboxone was far too strong. I had to start lower than 2mg. Typically they tell you to take 2mg, then another 2mg an hour later, another 2mg two hours later, etc. I had to start at 1mg, then 2mg the next day, 3 the next, up to my full current dose of 16mg.

On other hand, some people are hypersensitive to naloxone. That could be it too. In that case, subutex might be more beneficial, but a lot of group therapy places require it to be suboxone.

 

[johanneschimpo]

One 5mg/325mg percocet, two 100 mg darvon (no APAP), and two 25 mg Promethazine tabs.

I'm thinking it will be too weak ...

Far too weak. Thats about as strong as 0.5mg bupe. Bupe is much much stronger than (most) people think. You won't feel the opioids, but you might get a little sedated from the promethazine.

 

[Jabberwocky]

merging into bupe thread

 

[Captain.Heroin]

The main problem I'm facing with tapering down from 2mgs is that I know from personal experience that anything below that amount will allow me to use my DOC and feel little to no blockage whatsoever ,whereas if I happen to be on anything above 2-4mgs I find it not worth it to do H since I do not feel it as I'd normally would had I not taken the Bupre ...this is a problem since most my mates are still using and I feel that in the absence of bupre I may just succumb to temptation thus relapsing.

Well then stick at your 2mg/day if that's what you need to stave off cravings.

Do what it takes man.

I had to stay at taking a lot of buprenorphine for a while so I would "get away" from the heroin cravings, and before I knew it they were gone.

Stay on 2mg/day. Try 1.75mg/day - if you need 2mg/day, there's no shame in that. 2mg isn't too terribly much. You can use opiates on top of 2mg buprenorphine, it's just not going to be the best idea for you personally man. It's not even the best idea for me, and I have only done this once or twice in recent history (the last 14 months) just to test the waters. I have had no addictive pull towards opiates for a long time now! :D

i wouldn't go back to that if someone held a gun to my head.

I can respect that.

I can say the same if it meant going back to being a heroin dependent person. If I had to use it one more time I wouldn't mind at all, and you wouldn't need a gun to convince me either.

However I am in a place in my life where even if a friend offered me high quality opiates I'll just turn it down.

One 5mg/325mg percocet, two 100 mg darvon (no APAP), and two 25 mg Promethazine tabs.

I'm thinking it will be too weak ...

It might be. Do you have no more oxycodone?

For me I'd probably be floored. You never know, if you want to find out you can, but remember what you have to lose if you don't stop after this one more dose.

ive been taking 2mgs 2x a day for a few months///

took that today

how long shoud I wait to snort Heroin?

ps

I got a hold of another sub script

changed my tapering schedule


although, I just FINALLY got a new job so, I dont know how I am going to approach it now

one love

thanx again Capt. H!

No problem at all! I would wait until you are at least 8-12 hours after your dose of buprenorphine. I would wait even longer if you are a slow metabolizer (I'm not).

Now since I got that out of the way, here are the question... I do about a half g every day sometimes a gram will last a few days. I don't use the needle I just snort it. How much do you guys think my recommended dose will be? Will I be considered a heavy or light user? Is there any way I can get subutex (I've had suboxone n it taste like ass to me)? Also will he flag me to where I can't get lortabs in the future if something happens (not that I will ever want to do them again, they've fucked my life up so bad)? Will he recommend that I'm on the treatment plan, I plan to have my girlfriend monitor it for me n taper me off? How long will I be on it?

It depends on the quality of the heroin. You will probably start with 2mg, and you can take another 2mg if you feel it is needed. You will probably be considered as a heavy user to be honest. I would snort too and a half G would last me 6-7 days (3-4 days for 2 people).

No, you can get hydrocodone in the future. There's no "flagging" in the US.

He may recommend more stuff but honestly all you need is the prescription. It's a do it yourself thing (at least it can be for a lot of people).

How long will you be on it? Depends on how long you want to be on it. If you want to stay on it for a long time for pain issues, that's a great alternative to regular full agonists, because that way your tolerance won't be as high with buprenorphine.

I have half a g left. I'm planning on doing a few points n get wasted tonight n do a point around 7:00-8:00am tomorrow morning so I don't feel like total asshole lol.

Thanks again,
~DJ Play~

Actually you want to finish it *all* off before the morning. If you do a point a few hours before the intake, you will have an unpleasant experience called precipitated withdrawal.

Just do the rest of your dope, be done with it, say goodbye to heroin, and then get nice and sick for your intake in the morning. Trust me when I say this.

Far too weak. Thats about as strong as 0.5mg bupe. Bupe is much much stronger than (most) people think. You won't feel the opioids, but you might get a little sedated from the promethazine.

You are so right; buprenorphine is such a potent drug.

 

[Jsan-A4]

Time for a break, IV Suboxone?

I just started using opiates again 3-4 weeks ago, going to take a one week break, possibly two.

A friend supplied me with enough suboxone to make breaks tolerable. J IV's suboxone and tells me it makes withdrawal tolerable

Was wondering, what's your opinion on IVing suboxone?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

What's your opiate tolerance?

-> Suboxone Mega Thread

 

[Suboxone]

I just started using opiates again 3-4 weeks ago, going to take a one week break, possibly two.

A friend supplied me with enough suboxone to make breaks tolerable. J IV's suboxone and tells me it makes withdrawal tolerable

Was wondering, what's your opinion on IVing suboxone?

I've had my experiences IVing suboxone, I didn't like it at all. The same way you get the dope taste in your mouth after a good shot, I get the orangey suboxone taste and smell which makes me quite nauseous in itself. I love the feeling from IV subutex, but IV suboxone just isn't the same. The high itself is mediocre at best. I wouldn't advise shooting it, but it's a reasonable way to get a nice buzz and stay out of withdrawal.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I've had my experiences IVing suboxone, I didn't like it at all. The same way you get the dope taste in your mouth after a good shot, I get the orangey suboxone taste and smell which makes me quite nauseous in itself. I love the feeling from IV subutex, but IV suboxone just isn't the same. The high itself is mediocre at best. I wouldn't advise shooting it, but it's a reasonable way to get a nice buzz and stay out of withdrawal.

I think it depends on how your opiate tolerance is.

IV Suboxone makes me very high and I get a rush each time with just 125mcg (not milligrams, micrograms). 0.125mg = 125mcg

 

[Lando138]

Does suboxone raise your opiate tolerance? For example, i started with 6mg suboxone the first week of treatment, ended up raising it to 8mg and thats been holding me. Since i raised my suboxone dose would that effect my tolerance to say oxycontin?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Does suboxone raise your opiate tolerance? For example, i started with 6mg suboxone the first week of treatment, ended up raising it to 8mg and thats been holding me. Since i raised my suboxone dose would that effect my tolerance to say oxycontin?

How much oxycodone were you taking?

The likely answer is yes. However, it could have dropped.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

god this has been said too much but sub doctors are unbelievably misinformed. i cant believe how many docs put people on subs when their tolerance dosent even call for such a potent drug. The person saying their initial 2mg dose was too strong, they shouldve prescribed you 1mg a day instead of raising ur tolerance until u could handle 16mg a day(they raised ur tolerance so they could prescribe you more)

also i wanted to hear people opinions on suboxone vs subutex

when i used to take 4mg a day of suboxone iv, I would have no effect, but 4mg of subutex would give me a little high. now that i take 1mg doses i cant really tell the difference because my tolerance has lowered and whenever i dose it hits very strong

4mg is entirely too much.

I would be dysphoric if I IVd 4000mcg of buprenorphine. I use 125mcg at a time, and get pretty high off of it.

1mg per dose would be a better high than 4mg.

 

[Lando138]

How much oxycodone were you taking?

The likely answer is yes. However, it could have dropped.

60-80mg a bump a couple times a day. This was about a month and a half ago, before i started the sub. Haven't used since but have been thinking about it lately. Just curious if the suboxone would have kept my tolerance the same, i.e. i would need the same amount of oxy as before. OR if since i haven't used in a while could my tolerance have gone down? Seeing as how the sub affects the receptors differently?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

60-80mg a bump a couple times a day. This was about a month and a half ago, before i started the sub. Haven't used since but have been thinking about it lately. Just curious if the suboxone would have kept my tolerance the same, i.e. i would need the same amount of oxy as before. OR if since i haven't used in a while could my tolerance have gone down? Seeing as how the sub affects the receptors differently?

It probably went down at least a little bit.

60-80mg 3-4x a day is a lot of oxycodone. I think 6-8mg/day buprenorphine should have helped you decrease your opiate tolerance for sure.

 

[DeLee]

So a question about SSRI's and Buprenorphine.
When i first started taking Citalopram 20mg/day and started using Suboxone (IV) i felt a more sedative feeling. That kind of went away when my body god used to the Citalopram dose.

Yesterday i uppet the Citalopram to 40mg and i again got this sedative effect when having shot 2mg Suboxone... is there any connection?

 

[OPsFORME]

I just started using opiates again 3-4 weeks ago, going to take a one week break, possibly two.

A friend supplied me with enough suboxone to make breaks tolerable. J IV's suboxone and tells me it makes withdrawal tolerable

Was wondering, what's your opinion on IVing suboxone?

What kind of opiates are you doing n how high is your tolerance? Suboxone is really strong, if you take too much you'll start throwing up n feel really sick. I would start off with 1mg n if you don't feel anything take another 1mg n you should be good. Do you have the 8mg or 2mg pills? Do not take a whole 8mg until you know exactly what your recommended dose is. You won't be very happy if you take too much you'll be sick all damn day lol.

~DJ Play~

 

[DeLee]

I just started using opiates again 3-4 weeks ago, going to take a one week break, possibly two.

A friend supplied me with enough suboxone to make breaks tolerable. J IV's suboxone and tells me it makes withdrawal tolerable

Was wondering, what's your opinion on IVing suboxone?

In my experience IV Sub makes the withdrawl more intense and hard.
And i have detoxed from Sub many, many times over the years.
If i only snort it i can take it for half a year and get no withdrawal at all... if i would have injected that amount if time i would get WDs.

 

[Tommyboy]

suboxone/other opiate tolerance

Does suboxone raise your opiate tolerance? For example, i started with 6mg suboxone the first week of treatment, ended up raising it to 8mg and thats been holding me. Since i raised my suboxone dose would that effect my tolerance to say oxycontin?

Suboxone definately raised my tolerance, however I was on a very high dose of sub. After my gradual increase from vics to percs to oxy to heroin over 3 years, I was at my worst doing about a half gram of heroin 3 days a week. So as far as bluelighters go, my tolerance was moderate. I was only using 3 days a week because I was using around my drug test at first, but soon stopped completely and was strictly on subs for about 18 months usually taking 16mgs daily. The few times that I attempted to get high while one the suboxone, I waited over 48 hours, and it took me 4 bags of heroin to feel alright(after not taking any for over a year) one time, and another time I took an 80mg oxy and I caught a slight buzz.
I feel that suboxone kept my tolerance at the same level it was at before I started maintainance. I didnt use for about a month after taking my last suboxone. The first thing I used was 80mg hydrocodone and I felt pretty good, but the next two times I took that dose it didn't feel nearly as good

 

[cire113]

Ill tell you them main problem with suboxone.........

Try to stop taking it........ Let me know how it goes.... Its harder to quit than short acting opiates

Unless you wanna be on Suboxone for LIFE i really wouldn't advocate taking it long term if your goal is to be completely sober off opiates... Of course many people here dont have this goal

Its definitely a good band aid but unfortunately it just another shitty addiction to deal with.

Unless you wanna be a slave for life to opiates dont take it long term

good luck