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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Isn't this a harm reduction forum? IV'ing suboxone is not only a bad move as is doing so with any pill, it is contrary to the drug's accepted use: for opiate detox and/or maintenance. Helping patients to sabotage their recovery by learning to cheat while they are supposedly working to regain control of their lives seems counter-productive.
 
^ I understand where you are coming from but i am not using suboxone for opiate replacement therapy....also i think itd be pretty second nature for most addicts to try and find a way to abuse thier medication. i dont see how you not answering my question is going to prevent suboxone abuse.
 
matterofperception said:
May I ask why? Are the risks of shooting suboxone higher than that of other pills?
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well for a start u can check out what knowbudz just said above me

but mainly man , its not relaly worth it - sure u could shoot it .... but u dont wanna start fucking around crushing pills up and shooting em - have some self respect
 
Yea I know how bad it is for my body dude. I am a casual opiate user and have been for years. I have shot heroin hydromorphone and i want to use the last 2mg of my suboxone the best i can. All i want to know is if i do the standard prep filtering well through a cotton and only do this at max maybe 2 times can that be considered reasonably safe?
 
^ im not qualified to answer you should speak to one of the moderators about this ^

u should snort the suboxone - its much powerful this way then using sublingual - no need to shoot
 
its no different to prepping any other pill you would IV. they dont have a coating so you dont need to wash anything off. its a matter of crush, add water, mix, filter, shoot.
 
My point is that we have two, highly-regulated drugs available to help with opiate addiction. Those of us on ORT must continually buck heads with layer upon layer of idiotic regulations that make us jump through hoops and limit treatment options to those in need. Apparently, the nalaxone in suboxone was a ploy to gain approval for use in the states. Does anyone think that the powers that be would love to add additional regulations if they felt it was being abused.

My feeling is that, if you are on maintenance and want to use, either ask for help or stop treatment and let it rip. No one sneaks by in the long run. I'm certainly no saint, and have done my share of cheating....and paid dearly for it. I don't see any clear lines here....but when the pages devoted to IV use of suboxone morph into discussions of micron filters and where to get them, it kind of seems a bit over the top.

I think if you want to use, go for it in the safest way possible. But please, don't abuse the few medications that somehow managed to be approved to help addicts. There are whole legions of folks who would love to see these options withdrawn, and search for validation of their own misguided reasoning.
 
KnowBudz said:
My point is that we have two, highly-regulated drugs available to help with opiate addiction. Those of us on ORT must continually buck heads with layer upon layer of idiotic regulations that make us jump through hoops and limit treatment options to those in need. Apparently, the nalaxone in suboxone was a ploy to gain approval for use in the states. Does anyone think that the powers that be would love to add additional regulations if they felt it was being abused.

My feeling is that, if you are on maintenance and want to use, either ask for help or stop treatment and let it rip. No one sneaks by in the long run. I'm certainly no saint, and have done my share of cheating....and paid dearly for it. I don't see any clear lines here....but when the pages devoted to IV use of suboxone morph into discussions of micron filters and where to get them, it kind of seems a bit over the top.

I think if you want to use, go for it in the safest way possible. But please, don't abuse the few medications that somehow managed to be approved to help addicts. There are whole legions of folks who would love to see these options withdrawn, and search for validation of their own misguided reasoning.
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fucking amen to that

excellently put
 
KnowBudz said:
My point is that we have two, highly-regulated drugs available to help with opiate addiction. Those of us on ORT must continually buck heads with layer upon layer of idiotic regulations that make us jump through hoops and limit treatment options to those in need. Apparently, the nalaxone in suboxone was a ploy to gain approval for use in the states. Does anyone think that the powers that be would love to add additional regulations if they felt it was being abused.

My feeling is that, if you are on maintenance and want to use, either ask for help or stop treatment and let it rip. No one sneaks by in the long run. I'm certainly no saint, and have done my share of cheating....and paid dearly for it. I don't see any clear lines here....but when the pages devoted to IV use of suboxone morph into discussions of micron filters and where to get them, it kind of seems a bit over the top.

I think if you want to use, go for it in the safest way possible. But please, don't abuse the few medications that somehow managed to be approved to help addicts. There are whole legions of folks who would love to see these options withdrawn, and search for validation of their own misguided reasoning.
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The drug companies and lobbies will never let that happen and your suboxone isn't going anywhere so quit your preaching and whining and let us do and talk about what we want in here.
 
Oxymorphone said:
The drug companies and lobbies will never let that happen and your suboxone isn't going anywhere so quit your preaching and whining and let us do and talk about what we want in here.
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i think he had a fair point oxy.... but sure we are here to talk about what we want -- so is he dude - cut him some slack
 
matterofperception said:
i dont see how you not answering my question is going to prevent suboxone abuse.
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Good response. Harm reduction would be answering your question.

Crush finely, mix with water. Draw back. No need to heat or anything special. If you're using a cotton that works but a micron filter would be much better. See if you can get some if you're going to do this more than once.

Free_Man** said:
but mainly man , its not relaly worth it - sure u could shoot it .... but u dont wanna start fucking around crushing pills up and shooting em - have some self respect
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Some people would say the same thing to injecting street drugs, or injecting anything at all.

He's going to try it anyways, it's better to tell him the truth instead of "don't do it, dude".

KnowBudz said:
Apparently, the nalaxone in suboxone was a ploy to gain approval for use in the states. Does anyone think that the powers that be would love to add additional regulations if they felt it was being abused.
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If they were going to regulate Suboxone more, they would have done it already. There are millions of Europeans shooting Subutex or Suboxone on a near daily basis. This isn't new news at all, either. I don't think we need to be paranoid about talking about shooting pills on BL to be honest.

They KNOW it's being abused, they're seeing it show up in the streets. They're not naive.

Suboxone and Subutex aren't going anywhere man. R&B will move heaven and hell to keep it that way too.

but when the pages devoted to IV use of suboxone morph into discussions of micron filters and where to get them, it kind of seems a bit over the top.
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Why? It's a good idea to micron filter anything you shoot that doesn't come in an IVable, sterile vial. Does shooting street drugs like heroin or cocaine seem "over the top" to you? You don't even know what's in street drugs. It's more pertinent you micron filter street drugs which are more likely to have bacteria in the product than pills are.

But please, don't abuse the few medications that somehow managed to be approved to help addicts. There are whole legions of folks who would love to see these options withdrawn, and search for validation of their own misguided reasoning.
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Yes, but R&B is making too much money to let a bunch of hypocrites change anything. Additionally, methadone is also similarly abused as you talk about - it's still being handed out (in liquid form which seems easier to a naive person) daily to a lot of people.

Do you think when people talk about IVing pills on here that there's someone saying "ooh that's another medication off the market!"? Do you?

People shoot all kinds of pills on this forum - all sorts of opiates (oxycontin, dilaudid, morphine), they shoot benzos (midazolam, ambien, temazepam), they shoot uppers (adderall, ritalin)...the list goes on and on.

Do you think ANY of these drugs are having a hard time staying available options for people who need them? nope.

A lot more people IV Dilaudid or OC's than people who IV Suboxone I am for sure about this. You will see Dilaudid, OC's, and Suboxone and Subutex for some time to come. There's nothing to worry about.

Oxymorphone said:
The drug companies and lobbies will never let that happen and your suboxone isn't going anywhere so quit your preaching and whining and let us do and talk about what we want in here.
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Crudely put but the point seeps through.

I'm not telling you you're wasting away most of the drug's other 70% BA by sublingually using it without alcohol am I? Of course not! I'm also not telling you to say screw using 6/7's method too because you can IV to get 100% BA!!?!?!!! am I? I'm pointing out the shorter duration of IV use (due to quicker onset, the body will begin metabolization much more quickly and efficiently versus other routes of administration), etc.

Suboxone and Subutex are great medicine because you can really choose what ROA you want to go with - sublingual (w/ alcohol for a BA boost even), snorted, or IV. Medicine which has multiple ROA's as options are valuable, especially for people in situations with pain management issues.
 
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Thinking about lowering my dose...need your input

Good evening everyone, I have a quick question for ya...

I've been on 8mg a day of Suboxone for the past 3 weeks. Lately I've had side effects like trouble urinating at night sometimes, sleeping way too much (like 12 hrs a night), and a lowered appetite. Could this be from too much bupe?

I've been thinking about lowering my dose to 4mg a day, but I'm worried about withdrawal effects. I don't know if I should go to 6mg for a while and then 4mg or just go straight from 8 to 4.

So what do you think I should do? Should I not even lower my dose and just take 4mg twice a day instead of 8mg once a day? Will that help alleviate the side effects without going down in mg?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
 
tom80 said:
Good evening everyone, I have a quick question for ya...

I've been on 8mg a day of Suboxone for the past 3 weeks. Lately I've had side effects like trouble urinating at night sometimes, sleeping way too much (like 12 hrs a night), and a lowered appetite. Could this be from too much bupe?

I've been thinking about lowering my dose to 4mg a day, but I'm worried about withdrawal effects. I don't know if I should go to 6mg for a while and then 4mg or just go straight from 8 to 4.

So what do you think I should do? Should I not even lower my dose and just take 4mg twice a day instead of 8mg once a day? Will that help alleviate the side effects without going down in mg?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Yes, these symptoms could be signaling to you you're ready to start tapering lower to a more comfortable dose.

Don't be worried about the WD effects from going from 8mg to 6mg to 4mg eventually. That's the easier part. It's the <2mg part that gets hard.

I would try 4mg in the morning and 2mg at night.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
LOL sounds fun! I always love going to the exchange for a bag full of works!
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Yeah I'm going to hit up another one tomorrow and get even more gear because it's so fun and I like stocking up, then I'm going to go to a Narcan training course to get some of that stuff. Not that I am around opiate users much but it is nice to know you have it and you never know, a friend of mine got saved by someone who got Narcan by going to one of these courses and we called him and he literally sped over and drove over the lawn and raced in to give him a shot in his thigh that saved his life with some CPR too, he would have been dead if we waited for 911 to respond.
 
matterofperception said:
Is the preparation to IV suboxone diffrent from the IV prep for any other pill? i know how bad it is to IV pils and i RARELY do it. All i have is a cotton filter how great would the risk be trying to shoot 0.5mg-0.75mg of bupe?
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its bad to Iv any pills as you know. but suboxone is better off than most other pills used via IV. Most that is containing crap that causes build up in the lungs such as microcrystille, talc, etc. Missing a shot ihas the same dangers as missing any other pill which I think what some people are worried about when IVing subs

Suboxone doesnt have any of them. From what I understand only the bupe is water souble. I "think" corn starch is only souble if you add heat, so obviously thats avoided.

I usually do a filter 2-3 times IVing subs. and you can save the cotton for some sublingual use too (bupe stuck in the cotton ball) whenever needed.

I found suboxone Ived saved me a ton of times when supplies was dwindling.
 
Captain.Heroin said:

Yes, these symptoms could be signaling to you you're ready to start tapering lower to a more comfortable dose.

Don't be worried about the WD effects from going from 8mg to 6mg to 4mg eventually. That's the easier part. It's the <2mg part that gets hard.

I would try 4mg in the morning and 2mg at night.
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So how long should I be on 6mg until I taper down to 4mg?

And are you sure not tapering and just taking 4mg twice a day instead of 8mg once a day wouldn't make a difference? I still get more positive effects than negative from bupe.
 
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