Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Free_Man**]

I am finally down to 1mg suboxone a day. Is it safe to drink? People are saying 2 beers/ 2 glasses of wine at most for peoople on 8mg Suboxone. I know i will drink way more than that, and should be able to now that im down to 1mg right?

well done on getting down this far... nice work

yeah u can drink.... ... how much u planning on having ?

dont go too mad ... u dont want to end up with another problem (alcoholism) -

take my word for it - its a fucker!!!!

i found quitting booze harder than quitting opiates.

good luck

 

[KnowBudz]

I would hope that you are not serious about resuming drinking. The whole point of ORT is to maintain a stable, clean life. Drinking will only destroy whatever gains you have made.

 

[Free_Man**]

whats ORT ?

 

[DopeDays]

I hardley ever drink. Havent drank since before trying to get clean. My freinds are all in town for the holidays and i know im going out tonight and will most prob have more than 2 beers. Im not going on a drinking binge lol, was just seeing if it was ok to drink for one night.

 

[Eight0Eight]

whats ORT ?

Opiate Replacement Therapy

 

[socio]

I figured that it was "Subutex" that went generic, therefore, your discount plan should still hold up because there is no generic for "Suboxone". Am I right? I just wanted to switch for the discount.

My doc, and Walgreens, told me that there is generic Suboxone as well. (Just on backorder at Walgreens, like generic Subutex.) Google search seems to confirm.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

lol , still ,him openly admitting to IVing Bupre without filtering it horrifies me ... hahha jk ... now the Sub is sinking in for sure

I actually have micron filters now. I haven't posted pics of my lovely equipment yet but I will.

and speaking of Durations and half lifes etc , why the hell is this weed takes that ridiculous amount of time to get off your system when "harder" drugs like H or coke only take the odd 7 days ?

It just is the way it is. The government has no reason to keep marijuana illegal, but keeping medicine expensive and/or illegal gives you the upper hand when you get kickbacks from the companies who you allow to make less effective drugs.

I am finally down to 1mg suboxone a day. Is it safe to drink? People are saying 2 beers/ 2 glasses of wine at most for peoople on 8mg Suboxone. I know i will drink way more than that, and should be able to now that im down to 1mg right?

You can drink but you may not find the effect "pleasant". I don't like consuming alcohol at all.

IMO I would stay away from alcohol but if you must enjoy a drink or two.

My doc, and Walgreens, told me that there is generic Suboxone as well. (Just on backorder at Walgreens, like generic Subutex.) Google search seems to confirm.

This is new news to me. I don't know why they would make generic Suboxone, it would be easier for everyone just to switch over to Subutex.

And as 808 said, ORT = opiate replacement therapy.

 

[HighonLife]

You can drink but you may not find the effect "pleasant". I don't like consuming alcohol at all.

IMO I would stay away from alcohol but if you must enjoy a drink or two.



This is new news to me. I don't know why they would make generic Suboxone, it would be easier for everyone just to switch over to Subutex.

And as 808 said, ORT = opiate replacement therapy.

i too no longer enjoy alcohol, i used to not mind drinkin while poppin Norcos and Percocets cuz i liked gettin "fucked up" but once i started using other opioids it became all the about the opiate feeling and not the fucked up feeling.
i never drank while using and even now on Bupe i still cant stand drinking, after awhile it just sorta lost its magic, alcohol is a cheap shitty drug, i might indulge again sometime but i honestly couldnt care if i dont for any time soon.

i actually turned 21 in August and i still havent truly gone out n gotten drunk yet. i have had a drink or two but just one or half at a time


also one the generic subs, when did this happen? i filled my script not even 2 months ago n there was only brand name.

 

[IndustrialStrength]

I also experienced the no longer enjoying alcohol thing upon becoming a consumer of opiates. At first I mixed, but soon alcohol just didn't interest me at all.
Oddly enough, not only did I lose the urge to drink to the point of drunk, I also lost the taste for alcohol at all. I actually miss it, as I really enjoyed a good microbrew or 2 for the taste.
Now I seem to have completely lost the taste for it, when before it was a passion to explore different craft beers. Oh well. Hope your drinking experience is pleasant DopeDays.

 

[HighonLife]

^^ yep i considered myself a beer conessuire as well to a certain degree

but i just dont like alcohol ne more

 

[firesilverlullaby]

Ive got a question about dosing. I am dependent on heroin. Yesterday afternoon I IVed about 2mg of suboxone and i had a really bad reaction i felt like i was in a dream state and was gonna pass out then started going through some bad withdrawals. So I shot up a bag of H and felt quite a bit better. I did some H about 8 Hours earlier before the sub.

Should I have just waited 24 hours until it was completely out of my system? What do you think made this happen the Nalaxone or the bup competing with the diamorphine? It was a really scary experience and i felt like i was gonna die

 

[HighonLife]

sounds like you experienced mild precipatated WD from using Bupe only 8 hours after heroin

 

[Oxymorphone]

After about 40 hours off bupe, IVing 1mg felt pretty good. The little mini sense of euphoria might have just been curing the withdrawal symptoms that were just starting.

I'm going to try to be consistent IVing .3 or taking 1mg the next few days. It will be tough since I have a needle fixation and there isn't much else I can really IV. I get drug tested by my bupe doctor and I can't exactly fake them since they expect see me test positive for bupe and benzos so I would have to store my own urine first or something. I just thought of that as I typed, not a bad idea, maybe I'll do it just as an emergency backup (I was going to say I would have to find someone else who was on benzos and bupe). How long is piss good for refrigerated or frozen? Will the drug metabolites break down if frozen?

 

[Brose]

i asked this in another thread, but i think more knowledgeable eyes will see it in this one...

when i first started on suboxone, i was salivating a great deal and the pill was dissolving very rapidly. i was swallowing alot of the bupe. my doctor told me to put the pill up in between my gums and inside of my cheek by my top molars. he said that the slowness with which it dissolves up there means that more of it gets absorbed by the tissue because there's much less bupe/saliva being swallowed during the process.

this is the way i usually dose and i think it absorbs more than creating a saliva/bupe solution under your tongue and swallowing half of it.

i wonder if anyone who knows about absorption could explain the truth of the matter? or at least give their educated opinion?

 

[Oxymorphone]

i asked this in another thread, but i think more knowledgeable eyes will see it in this one...

when i first started on suboxone, i was salivating a great deal and the pill was dissolving very rapidly. i was swallowing alot of the bupe. my doctor told me to put the pill up in between my gums and inside of my cheek by my top molars. he said that the slowness with which it dissolves up there means that more of it gets absorbed by the tissue because there's much less bupe/saliva being swallowed during the process.

this is the way i usually dose and i think it absorbs more than creating a saliva/bupe solution under your tongue and swallowing half of it.

i wonder if anyone who knows about absorption could explain the truth of the matter? or at least give their educated opinion?

Put it under your tongue with some vodka or other high proof alcohol it will dissolve quicker and increases the bioavailability (I think from 30% to 50% but someone can correct me and tlel you more about the alcohol method). If you salivate a lot try putting a piece of cotton in your mouth with it to help.

 

[HighonLife]

wouldnt putting it between your cheek n gums be Buccal absorption and not sub lingual?

maybe the difference is minimal but those are two different ROAs

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Ive got a question about dosing. I am dependent on heroin. Yesterday afternoon I IVed about 2mg of suboxone and i had a really bad reaction i felt like i was in a dream state and was gonna pass out then started going through some bad withdrawals. So I shot up a bag of H and felt quite a bit better. I did some H about 8 Hours earlier before the sub.

Should I have just waited 24 hours until it was completely out of my system? What do you think made this happen the Nalaxone or the bup competing with the diamorphine? It was a really scary experience and i felt like i was gonna die

Yeah you should have waited until you were in withdrawal from the heroin before starting buprenorphine. However it was buprenorphine which made you go through precipitated WD's, not the naloxone.

i asked this in another thread, but i think more knowledgeable eyes will see it in this one...

when i first started on suboxone, i was salivating a great deal and the pill was dissolving very rapidly. i was swallowing alot of the bupe. my doctor told me to put the pill up in between my gums and inside of my cheek by my top molars. he said that the slowness with which it dissolves up there means that more of it gets absorbed by the tissue because there's much less bupe/saliva being swallowed during the process.

this is the way i usually dose and i think it absorbs more than creating a saliva/bupe solution under your tongue and swallowing half of it.

i wonder if anyone who knows about absorption could explain the truth of the matter? or at least give their educated opinion?

Your mouth has plenty of mucous membrane to absorb drug; this will do just as fine as putting it under neath your tongue. It'll work - no worries.

Sublingual and buccal medications are administered by placing them in the mouth, either under the tongue (sublingual) or between the gum and the cheek (buccal). The medications dissolve rapidly and are absorbed through the mucous membranes of the mouth, where they enter into the bloodstream. The medications are compounded in the form of small, quick-dissolving tablets, sprays, lozenges, or liquid suspensions.

The idea between the buccal and sublingual ROA's are the same - it's the oral mucous membrane which transports the active ingredient to the blood stream.

Oxymorphone's advice would work too.

 

[socio]

This is new news to me. I don't know why they would make generic Suboxone, it would be easier for everyone just to switch over to Subutex.

And as 808 said, ORT = opiate replacement therapy.
Originally Posted by socio
My doc, and Walgreens, told me that there is generic Suboxone as well. (Just on backorder at Walgreens, like generic Subutex.) Google search seems to confirm.

After looking around, it seems Wallgreens (& my dr) misled me. Walgreens stopped giving me their Rx plan discount because, they claimed, generic Suboxone is available, then told me it was on back order, so I had to start paying a higher price for brand-name Suboxone. Hard to understand why they would make that mistake... But anyway, with disappointment, I retract what I said previously. It's not available yet. (Not by law; just no one has produced an approved generic yet, if I understand.)

 

[Captain.Heroin]

After looking around, it seems Wallgreens (& my dr) misled me. Walgreens stopped giving me their Rx plan discount because, they claimed, generic Suboxone is available, then told me it was on back order, so I had to start paying a higher price for brand-name Suboxone. Hard to understand why they would make that mistake... But anyway, with disappointment, I retract what I said previously. It's not available yet. (Not by law; just no one has produced an approved generic yet, if I understand.)

That's utterly retarded. It should be up to the user if they want Suboxone or Subutex, generic or brand name. It shouldn't cost as much for any situation that exists now.

I would have gone back to the doctor and insist he switch it back to generic Subutex.

 

[Oxymorphone]

That's utterly retarded. It should be up to the user if they want Suboxone or Subutex, generic or brand name. It shouldn't cost as much for any situation that exists now.

I would have gone back to the doctor and insist he switch it back to generic Subutex.

It sucks but unless they write DAW (dispense as written) in the box the pharmacy has to prescribe it generic if it is available which I think is mandated by insurance. I may have misread the post buy anyway, Suboxone and Subutex are two different drugs, so it shouldn't matter that there is a generic Subutex if you are prescribed Suboxone. I will ask my doctor for Subutex and not have him write DAW next time and see what happens or if he will even give my Subutex since he's probably brainwashed into thinking the naloxone in suboxone makes it safer. I don't know if it would be a good or bad idea to point out that it does nothing and is all a marketing scam. If I put it that way as a more political argument as opposed to saying "hey I inject suboxone every day and it works just fine."