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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010
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As far as dosing 3x/day, it was prescribed that way for a 6 month medical w/d program. Started at 8mg/3x daily for the first month. The first week was OK, but after that I began to feel exceedingly lethargic, agitated, and depressed (crappy) with everyday that passed. A bit after 3 weeks I cut the dose back to 4mg/3x and felt better almost immediately. Held at that level for a week and dropped to 2mg/3x which I was at for a week. This week I am at 2mg/2x which has given me slight w/d symptoms (real light, like sweats and hot flashes) which come and go during the day.
I have no idea what minimum dosage would have initially relieved my cravings and kept me comfortable since I started out at 24mg a day.
I haven't been switching dose amounts around arbitrarily but with a steady decline on a weekly basis. It isn't difficult to be objective as to how it is working... do I feel OK or am I on the edge of w/d, I have a handle on that heh.
By multiple daily doses being outside the norm, I was referring to the prescribing guidelines. I know people do it, and I have heard of docs who order it that way, but the literature states that if multiple tabs are prescribed, they can be taken at once. I've tried it all different ways and noticed no difference. Of course, everyone is different.
I believe that, in the same way as methadone, besides getting adequate control of cravings, the prescriber wants an adequate "blocking dose", which in theory prevents euphoria from illicit opiates.
I believe that, in the same way as methadone, besides getting adequate control of cravings, the prescriber wants an adequate "blocking dose", which in theory prevents euphoria from illicit opiates.
my friend could really use some help!
This is my first post, but i have been a VERY long time reader on bluelight and cant thank these forums enough for the information they provide. I cant thank bluelight enough for the knowledge it provides, and how that knowledge has kept me relatively safe through the years. But currently my friend SWIM is in a very desperate situation and could really use some help...
Anyway, so on with it:
SWIM has developed a habit of about 5-6 bags of very PURE black tar over the past year/year & a half, and Monday Afternoon at 12 with 5 suboxone in hand SWIM decided this would be his last shot of tar, so on with the shot & SWIM made it through the day without anymore tar and got to sleep at 12 midnight--SWIM woke up around 7 in the morning the next day--Feeling somewhat shitty SWIM decided it should probably be safe too take his first 8 mg dose of suboxone--BIG MISTAKE--35 minutes after allowing the 8mg suboxone tablet too dissolve under SWIMS tongue SWIM began too sweat profusely & shake & soon vomit & diarrhea & all of the worst WD symptoms immedately in EXTREME full swing--SWIM thinks ¨effing great, precipitated withdrawals, i didn´t wait long enough to dose the subox¨ and chews half a page of benadryl and tries to sleep it off not knowing how long precipitated WDś last--SWIM had recently quit cold turkey a month and a half ago and relapsed so SWIM is highly aware of what H withdrawal feels like--After chewing 6 benadryl SWIM managed to sleep for about six hours and woke up still feeling completely horrible. SWIM changed his soaking wet sheets and decides it might be possible too take another suboxone--¨it cant get much worse¨ so SWIM dissolves another 8 mg suboxone under his tongue & tried too get more sleep. SWIM wakes up after 8 more hours of sleep still sweating profusely, at this point 36 or so hours passed since SWIMS last shot of tar, its around 1:30 in the morning and SWIM has no other option but too chew another suboxone & does so. SOON after doing this SWIM gets ahold of a friend and manages too get him too drive SWIM too go pick up some tar bags So SWIM picks up--but on the way SWIM begins too feel a TINY TINY bit better and alot less sweating--SWIM thinks ¨hmm maybe the suboxone is starting too level out and work?¨ or maybe its just placebo about to pick up-- but already on the way to pick up SWIM does so. After picking up SWIM asks his providor if shooting any amount will provide releif from the horrible WDś SWIM is feeling, and his provider informs SWIM that there will be no rush but it will provide releif too a normal stage. SO desperate too end the horrible WDś--though seemingly getting slightly better from the last suboxone, SWIM shoots HALF a bag--which is a dose that SWIM generally would not get a rush from and would barely feel--though feel still. It has been about 4 hours since SWIM shot and SWIM is feeling fine but needs to know what to do next.
SWIM really wants too quit, but has already prepaid for some bags that are coming in at 6, SWIM only has two suboxone left & wants too be over the habit. IF swim wanted to continue on with Subox would he have too wait 36-48 hours from now too take another subox?
Would it be a better idea for SWIM too go back to the tar & taper his dose down with the bags of tar SWIM has already purchased over the next week or two & try suboxone waiting longer to take first dose in a week or two & go to a suboxone doctor so SWIM has a proper supply to taper over a longer period?
OR would it be wiser/less pain in the long run for SWIM too wait & not do anything more and wait too be in intense WDS and take another SUBOXONE hoping SWIM can get a supply for more?
SWIM is wondering if the precipitated withdrawals having knocked all opiates off his receptors -- having already gone through THAT -- will make suboxone easier / tar WD;ś last less time--thus meaning SWIM should continue on with subox?
Thanks ahead of time, SWIM will appreciate any and all advice greatly,
-Novem.
This is my first post, but i have been a VERY long time reader on bluelight and cant thank these forums enough for the information they provide. I cant thank bluelight enough for the knowledge it provides, and how that knowledge has kept me relatively safe through the years. But currently my friend SWIM is in a very desperate situation and could really use some help...
Anyway, so on with it:
SWIM has developed a habit of about 5-6 bags of very PURE black tar over the past year/year & a half, and Monday Afternoon at 12 with 5 suboxone in hand SWIM decided this would be his last shot of tar, so on with the shot & SWIM made it through the day without anymore tar and got to sleep at 12 midnight--SWIM woke up around 7 in the morning the next day--Feeling somewhat shitty SWIM decided it should probably be safe too take his first 8 mg dose of suboxone--BIG MISTAKE--35 minutes after allowing the 8mg suboxone tablet too dissolve under SWIMS tongue SWIM began too sweat profusely & shake & soon vomit & diarrhea & all of the worst WD symptoms immedately in EXTREME full swing--SWIM thinks ¨effing great, precipitated withdrawals, i didn´t wait long enough to dose the subox¨ and chews half a page of benadryl and tries to sleep it off not knowing how long precipitated WDś last--SWIM had recently quit cold turkey a month and a half ago and relapsed so SWIM is highly aware of what H withdrawal feels like--After chewing 6 benadryl SWIM managed to sleep for about six hours and woke up still feeling completely horrible. SWIM changed his soaking wet sheets and decides it might be possible too take another suboxone--¨it cant get much worse¨ so SWIM dissolves another 8 mg suboxone under his tongue & tried too get more sleep. SWIM wakes up after 8 more hours of sleep still sweating profusely, at this point 36 or so hours passed since SWIMS last shot of tar, its around 1:30 in the morning and SWIM has no other option but too chew another suboxone & does so. SOON after doing this SWIM gets ahold of a friend and manages too get him too drive SWIM too go pick up some tar bags So SWIM picks up--but on the way SWIM begins too feel a TINY TINY bit better and alot less sweating--SWIM thinks ¨hmm maybe the suboxone is starting too level out and work?¨ or maybe its just placebo about to pick up-- but already on the way to pick up SWIM does so. After picking up SWIM asks his providor if shooting any amount will provide releif from the horrible WDś SWIM is feeling, and his provider informs SWIM that there will be no rush but it will provide releif too a normal stage. SO desperate too end the horrible WDś--though seemingly getting slightly better from the last suboxone, SWIM shoots HALF a bag--which is a dose that SWIM generally would not get a rush from and would barely feel--though feel still. It has been about 4 hours since SWIM shot and SWIM is feeling fine but needs to know what to do next.
SWIM really wants too quit, but has already prepaid for some bags that are coming in at 6, SWIM only has two suboxone left & wants too be over the habit. IF swim wanted to continue on with Subox would he have too wait 36-48 hours from now too take another subox?
Would it be a better idea for SWIM too go back to the tar & taper his dose down with the bags of tar SWIM has already purchased over the next week or two & try suboxone waiting longer to take first dose in a week or two & go to a suboxone doctor so SWIM has a proper supply to taper over a longer period?
OR would it be wiser/less pain in the long run for SWIM too wait & not do anything more and wait too be in intense WDS and take another SUBOXONE hoping SWIM can get a supply for more?
SWIM is wondering if the precipitated withdrawals having knocked all opiates off his receptors -- having already gone through THAT -- will make suboxone easier / tar WD;ś last less time--thus meaning SWIM should continue on with subox?
Thanks ahead of time, SWIM will appreciate any and all advice greatly,
-Novem.
It took me a couple days to acclimate to suboxone, though I switched from methadone. It sounds to me that you are at decision time....switching back and forth is only going to cause pain and suffering. If you are really serious about quitting, go for it and don't look back. You need to get with a doctor and not try to self-prescribe, though. I tried doing so for a long time, and it never worked for long. You'll have to get script so you have a dependable supply.
Captain.Heroin
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My friend thanks you SOO much for your responses, and has a few more questions:
I apologize, What should I use to keep my friends name anonymous? He doesnt want his name posted on the forums--for the sake of this message Iĺl call my friend bob:
So I understand that my friend BOB is at a decision time--and believe me he really wants too quit, he just does not want to go through the intense withdrawal he went through when he quit cold turkey a month ago--and could not bear to go through any somewhat intense withdrawal again any time soon after the intense precipicated withdrawals he experienced this morning..
by the way--that was precipitated withdrawals bob experienced right?
If it took you a couple days too acclimate too suboxone, what happened & how did you feel in those couple days? & what amount and how did you go about acclimating too suboxone? & when did you know you were fully acclimated? BOB would like too know how too acclimate too suboxone from TAR just in case he can not afford too go to a suboxone doctor.
Should BOB have felt that shitty at first--or was that precipitated WD for sure? &
would it help bob too experience less intense WD if he spent two weeks WEENING his tar habit down too say one sack a day & using every 12 hours instead of every 6, so that when he does try to start suboxone he wont feel the need so intensely too take it that early? will weening his tar habit down extensively make the suboxone work any better? and make it so that bob doesnt need too take AS MUCH suboxone too start?
At this point bob does not have much a choice as he has alot of tar coming his way he has already paid for, so bob is thinking too use the last of THIS and ween down intensely and try too get as low a mantainence tar dose as possible then set up an appointment with a suboxone doctor a day after he uses his last balloon--if he can afford it.
Bob has a few questions about suboxone doctors and stuff... Will bob have this suboxone thing on any kind of record that the goverment or millitary can access if he goes to a doctor for suboxone? bob has considered getting a job in said situations and does not want too hurt his chances of doing soo in the future.
Will bobs health insurance (Medicare part B) Possibly cover all/any of the suboxone treatment? if so, how much of it? & if they will--should bob go through his health insurance too cover it and risk having this on some type of records? or should bob pay out of pocket too keep this confidential?
Will it be kept confidential if bob DOES pay out of pocket?
will it be kept confidential at all if BOB does use health insurance(assuming possible)? if so--how confidential?
and how much does suboxone treatment usually cost? it almost seems from what bob has heard that buying them for 10 dollars a peice at 8mg each from his friend is cheaper than going to a suboxone doctor--if bob can get a steady enough supply this way?
He is looking over my shoulder & wanted too thank everyone for their help again,
--Novem.
I apologize, What should I use to keep my friends name anonymous? He doesnt want his name posted on the forums--for the sake of this message Iĺl call my friend bob:
So I understand that my friend BOB is at a decision time--and believe me he really wants too quit, he just does not want to go through the intense withdrawal he went through when he quit cold turkey a month ago--and could not bear to go through any somewhat intense withdrawal again any time soon after the intense precipicated withdrawals he experienced this morning..
by the way--that was precipitated withdrawals bob experienced right?
If it took you a couple days too acclimate too suboxone, what happened & how did you feel in those couple days? & what amount and how did you go about acclimating too suboxone? & when did you know you were fully acclimated? BOB would like too know how too acclimate too suboxone from TAR just in case he can not afford too go to a suboxone doctor.
Should BOB have felt that shitty at first--or was that precipitated WD for sure? &
would it help bob too experience less intense WD if he spent two weeks WEENING his tar habit down too say one sack a day & using every 12 hours instead of every 6, so that when he does try to start suboxone he wont feel the need so intensely too take it that early? will weening his tar habit down extensively make the suboxone work any better? and make it so that bob doesnt need too take AS MUCH suboxone too start?
At this point bob does not have much a choice as he has alot of tar coming his way he has already paid for, so bob is thinking too use the last of THIS and ween down intensely and try too get as low a mantainence tar dose as possible then set up an appointment with a suboxone doctor a day after he uses his last balloon--if he can afford it.
Bob has a few questions about suboxone doctors and stuff... Will bob have this suboxone thing on any kind of record that the goverment or millitary can access if he goes to a doctor for suboxone? bob has considered getting a job in said situations and does not want too hurt his chances of doing soo in the future.
Will bobs health insurance (Medicare part B) Possibly cover all/any of the suboxone treatment? if so, how much of it? & if they will--should bob go through his health insurance too cover it and risk having this on some type of records? or should bob pay out of pocket too keep this confidential?
Will it be kept confidential if bob DOES pay out of pocket?
will it be kept confidential at all if BOB does use health insurance(assuming possible)? if so--how confidential?
and how much does suboxone treatment usually cost? it almost seems from what bob has heard that buying them for 10 dollars a peice at 8mg each from his friend is cheaper than going to a suboxone doctor--if bob can get a steady enough supply this way?
He is looking over my shoulder & wanted too thank everyone for their help again,
--Novem.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
You can say it's you, even if it's not.
Plus, we have the "no swim" rule because it's just an eye sore and won't protect you in a court of law.
I see you made up a name, also ingenious. I make up names for people all the time.
I'll read the rest of your post in a few hours, I am busy as of right now. But, I should be replying within the next 5 to 6 hours, 8 at the max.
Interesting thing I'm starting to notice about Suboxen is that its driving down the price of H and oxy's. I know many people who based their monthly income on the sale of their prescription drugs. We all know subs are the cheapest way for an opiate user to get through the day. I'm getting calls from people who can't meet their mortgage because nobody has money for the H and oxy. More and more people are getting by on subs and saying the hell with spending all that money on the others. I'm one of them and in my neck of the woods the prices are falling. The dealers thought once addicted we would have to get the money to them for the drugs but their waking up to a new reality today. I just hope it doesn't get so low that I go back to it. I'm finally down to 1mg a day.
i.am.mookie
Bluelighter
what is the estimated time that iv suboxone lasts? i know many people have said that iv usage of suboxone will last much less than the sublingual ROA, but i wanted to know if anyone could give me an estimated time.
thank you.
thank you.
Squigz
Bluelighter
question. I was on suboxone for about a week and a half, then last week for about 5 days slipped and was taking oxy and methadone. So yesterday i decided to take the suboxone when i wasn't really withdrawing, but hadn't had anything for 24 hours. It didn't make me withdrawal per say but it didn't really seem to do anything (when i would take it before i would always get a light buzz) my question is should I stop taking the suboxone and start withdrawing before i can take it and feel the normal effects? Or if i continue taking it will it go back to how it was on it's own.
HighonLife
Bluelighter
well if you are looking to detox or for maintenance do you really need the slight buzz?
if you arent withdrawaling then isnt that good enough?
also if you dont like these answers then i just suggest you wait as long as possible, have some self control and wait longer before dosing since you beleive that to be the cause of the lessened effects
if you arent withdrawaling then isnt that good enough?
also if you dont like these answers then i just suggest you wait as long as possible, have some self control and wait longer before dosing since you beleive that to be the cause of the lessened effects
cire113
Bluelighter
is mixing suboxone and xanax that dangerous? i hear its easy to od
i have no benzo tolerance but some opiate tolerance.. around 60mg oxy to feel ok
i took around 3mgs of sub today.. i could take 2mgs of xanax and be ok?
i just know 99% of ppl that overdose on sub mixed it with xanax..
any experiences?
i have no benzo tolerance but some opiate tolerance.. around 60mg oxy to feel ok
i took around 3mgs of sub today.. i could take 2mgs of xanax and be ok?
i just know 99% of ppl that overdose on sub mixed it with xanax..
any experiences?
slackboxed
Bluelighter
I find mixing subs and xanax to be wonderful to be perfectly honest. Subs always give me a gittery grimey feeling while im withdrawing and xanax takes all of that away and turns me into a human being again. You could really make 2mgs last a whole day if you split it up and you were good about it. I don't think you're in overdose territory until you're taking way higher mgs of both drugs.
HighonLife
Bluelighter
i would say if you have no benzo tolerance to just use .5-1mg b/c benzos are def more enjoyable at lower doses, plus with that small of an oxy tolerance plus no xanax tolerance you just might be in for a powerful surprise maybe
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Yes, because the generics have talc in them.
If you can get micron filters, go for that. If not, you can try to get the brand name.
three to four hours for maximum effects, 6 to 8 hours total until you don't feel all that well anymore as you once did.
It sounds like using methadone and oxycodone blew your tolerance up a little, so yeah, you may need to either wait or use Suboxone for a while until your tolerance comes back down (which can take days, weeks, or months, depending on lots of factors, but more likely within a month for you I'd guess).
Some people report never getting a buzz out of Suboxone though, so whether you will get what you want completely out of it again could happen, but it also might not. It really depends on a lot of things I guess, but if you stay clean for a while and use Suboxone only when needed (aren't using more of it in attempts to get high), then you should eventually get a good effect out of it again.
Combining CNS depressants makes it easier to overdose versus using only xanax or only Suboxone. The combo is pretty much safe though if you use low doses - the synergism is pretty powerful.
I wouldn't take a whole 2mg at once, especially without a benzo tolerance. I have had a few benzos here and there, still have little/no tolerance, but I only use 0.5mg of xanax typically close to my dose of 0.25mg Suboxone.
If you want to use 2mg, at least break it into half or quarters. I would advise you try 0.5mg, but if you want to try 1mg and then use 0.5mg as needed afterwards, you could do that. The idea is you want to gauge it by dosing low because odds are you won't need more than 1mg total for a nice recreational effect. 1mg would be too much for me and I'd sleep in way too late, for one.
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cire113
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it seems only .5mg of xanax was more than enough! with around 2-3mgs of sub
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
Yeah, I had a good feeling it would be right where you want it.
0.5mg alprazolam with no tolerance is a really nice dose.
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