Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Captain.Heroin]

You can cut it up without the score pretty evenly. Then, from there, if you crush the pill in a pill crusher and divide it into two piles of powder on a mirror, you should be able to split it up into 1mg piles, and you can further split it up from there into four 0.5mg piles.

 

[kasad]

random stuff i've just read:

The antifungal medicine ketoconazole increases the blood level of this medicine. Your dose of buprenorphine should be reduced if you start treatment with ketoconazole.

I know it's retarded, but I can't stop thinking of ways to get more outta my subs. And there's no stupid tagamet (cimetidine) around, they all offer me ranitidine...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

random stuff i've just read:



I know it's retarded, but I can't stop thinking of ways to get more outta my subs. And there's no stupid tagamet (cimetidine) around, they all offer me ranitidine...

If you want to get more out of your buprenorphine, start tapering down. The lower the dose, the more nor-buprenorphine you get. With a higher dose, there's enough regular buprenorphine to out-compete it. At a lower one, it all gets converted and you have a better mu-agonist experience.

What dose are you at now?

You can also try different ROA's (such as 6/7's method), or you could inhibit the liver enzyme which breaks down buprenorphine by drinking white grapefruit juice.

 

[kasad]

I am officially prescribed 16mg. I take 4, but in reality I oscillate between 4 and 6mg. When month passes it turns like I've maybe used one more pill then if I was using 4mg a day.

I mostly insufflate though. I could never find a suitable way to subling. it. I salivate like a mofo and it just doesn't seem right. I usually split my dose in two and then eithier:

a) snort them like you would snort dope

b) dissolve them in sirynge with maybe 1/4 1cc syringe of water and a drop of ethanol. Then squirt it up my nose.

I find method b to works a lot better but it's kinda retarded. I've came up with it after reading 6/7's (or I think it was his) method with subling. bupe + alcohol for increasing BA.


Note: I've tried to both regularly dissolve pill under my tongue and to do it with alcohol and in both cases I salivate so much that after a minute my cheecks are about to explode because of amount of saliva accumulated.

Then I swish it around and try to get it near those veins under the tongue etc, but Whenever I tried this I ended having to take another dose later during the day.


Pros for my method b) is that I actually filter the "shot" before squirting it up my nose so no fillers in my nasal cavities and no nasty powder in lungs (I can sometimes breathe whitey bupe fog just after insufflating it via method a)

Thanks for great advices Captain. You are one of my favourite persons on BL. Especially after pwning that "Ganja God" retard in recent post about tweakers.

Peace

 

[Northside]

What was your experience kicking subs at the 4 day mark

Hi everyone , I've been off subs for four days. I was on it for seven months and took 4mgs every other day , sometimes more. I was RX'd 8 mgs a day.

My question is , after 96 hours do you that have experience kicking them think I'm over the worst of it or that the worst is yet to come?

I'm a little surprised at how mild my symptoms are and I'm kinda waiting for the other shoe to fall.

 

[iverson1st]

Suboxone: Will I have withdrawals?

Ive been taking suboxone for 12 days now to get off of oxycontin. My question is will I have withdrawals off of the suboxone and if so how bad and how long wiill they last? Here is a rundown on how much I have taken: I dont know the exact mg I have taken each day but I have taken no more than 5mg in a day and sometimes just 1 or 2mg in a day. The average mg I took in a day over the course of the 12 days is probably 3 mg in a day. Considering I have only been taking the suboxone for 12 days and the amount I have taken can someone please help answer my question? I know everyone is different and all but will I even have withdrawals for taking low doses for 12 days? I have 1 8mg sub left and I can use it to ween down off if I need to. Thanks for any help!

 

[Tchort]

Buprenorphine is an opioid. Yes, you will have withdrawals.

This is all covored in the Buprenorphine Mega Thread.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=440368

 

[BadHabbit]

Sadly yes, you are going to go through withdrawals... But If you taper down (if its possible) to 1mg or less of suboxone, it won't be as bad as the oxycodone. Good Luck!
BadHabbit.

 

[DeLee]

This also depends on how long you were on the Oxycontin and how big your daily dose were.

 

[DeLee]

There is no way it takes 1 - 2 weeks for Methadone withdrawals to set in. If you can go that long without withdrawals, then you can go even longer without withdrawals, meaning you aren't going to feel withdrawals at all.

Why would i withdrawal from just Methadone ? I only used it for two days and ~130mg?
Its Buprenorphine ive been using for the last 7 months and thats what i will WD from..
And since i normally get Bupe WD's after 1-2 weeks.. or will methadone kick out all the bupe thats left in my system?
Ive done this many times before but never with methadone only Bupe and heroin. And its easier to time in when heroin is out of you're system.

Hi everyone , I've been off subs for four days. I was on it for seven months and took 4mgs every other day , sometimes more. I was RX'd 8 mgs a day.

My question is , after 96 hours do you that have experience kicking them think I'm over the worst of it or that the worst is yet to come?

I'm a little surprised at how mild my symptoms are and I'm kinda waiting for the other shoe to fall.

Bupe WD's can take a long time to kick in fully.... like 1 to 2 weeks.

 

[sixpartseven]

Why would i withdrawal from just Methadone ? I only used it for two days and ~130mg?
Its Buprenorphine ive been using for the last 7 months and thats what i will WD from..
And since i normally get Bupe WD's after 1-2 weeks.. or will methadone kick out all the bupe thats left in my system?
Ive done this many times before but never with methadone only Bupe and heroin. And its easier to time in when heroin is out of you're system.

When you say this...

If i should wait for withdrawals before dosing bupe i would have to wait 1-2 weeks...

...it sounds like you are saying you were waiting for Methadone withdrawals before dosing Bupe. Why would you wait for Bupe withdrawals before dosing Bupe?

Even still, my point still stands. There is no way it takes 1 - 2 weeks for withdrawals to set in from Suboxone. If that's the case, then you don't even need to be on Suboxone.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Pros for my method b) is that I actually filter the "shot" before squirting it up my nose so no fillers in my nasal cavities and no nasty powder in lungs (I can sometimes breathe whitey bupe fog just after insufflating it via method a)

Thanks for great advices Captain. You are one of my favourite persons on BL. Especially after pwning that "Ganja God" retard in recent post about tweakers.

Peace

You say you produce too much saliva to do the alcohol sublingual method - well, honestly when you use alcohol sublingually w/ suboxone, you'll only need a minute for it to dissolve, then you should be able to just spit out whatever's left.

I tend to dislike sublingual administration because I tend to vomit if I do it this way.

Let me know how it goes for you.

I have 1 8mg sub left and I can use it to ween down off if I need to. Thanks for any help!

I would split your 8mg pill into 0.5mg doses (break into quarters, crush up one of the quarters and break it down into four piles of 0.5mg) and take 0.5mg each day. This way, the WD will be more tolerable than jumping off of 1mg a day.

There is no way it takes 1 - 2 weeks for withdrawals to set in from Suboxone. If that's the case, then you don't even need to be on Suboxone.

That is true. You would feel the WD before a week or two, it'd be more like two or three days at the longest. I typically feel buprenorphine withdrawal within a day to 12 hours of my last dose.

 

[Eight0Eight]

I, Personally can not wait for the pharmacy to open tommorrow morning (8.45am fact fans!)

I went on a heroin binge on thursday, brought enough back to last friday, got back on subutex on saturday - then smashed through my 4 days supply.

Today I did 0.4mgs (early this morning IV) - normally on 2.4mgs. Managed to get hold of 7 packets of loperamide (84mgs) (I cvould have bought 2 bags of gear for the same price). Also got a fuck load of booze.

Just hoping I knock myself out on booze before the WD kick in.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

What do you mean by "smashed through my 4 day supply"? Did you take too much subutex on Saturday or something?

When I was coming down from heroin and was waiting to get on suboxone, I tried drinking enough hard liquor to just sleep. It worked for a few hours, then I woke up in the kicks.

Good luck.

 

[Eight0Eight]

^yeah.

I needed more saturday and sunday, due to my thursday/friday blowout.

I'm drunk as fuck and my stomach hurts - but only 8 hours to go 'till the pharmacy opens.

Could be a lot worse.

At least I haven't resorted to Heroin.

 

[DeLee]

Even still, my point still stands. There is no way it takes 1 - 2 weeks for withdrawals to set in from Suboxone. If that's the case, then you don't even need to be on Suboxone.

Im not saying you are wrong. But i do not get buprenorphine withdrawal in just a couple of days, it takes quite a time. Dont ask me why but thats how that drug works in my body.
It may be dose related? Im on about 4-8mg bupe/day for 6-7 months and ive done this route many times before.

But when i was IVing Subutex/Suboxone WD's kicked in faster.
Now i just take them sublingual or through my nostrils..

Then it has always depended on what opioid i was on before, heroin - then faster WD's for an example.
Now i only use opiates/opioids like heroin/methadone/oxycodone sometimes like now with the methadone.
Im on bupe because it helps me not crave heroin that much anymore and for psychological reasons.

 

[Eight0Eight]

Im not saying you are wrong. But i do not get buprenorphine withdrawal in just a couple of days, it takes quite a time. Dont ask me why but thats how that drug works in my body.
It may be dose related? Im on about 4-8mg bupe/day for 6-7 months and ive done this route many times before.

But when i was IVing Subutex/Suboxone WD's kicked in faster.
Now i just take them sublingual or through my nostrils..

I get subutex WD in less than 12 hours.

 

[DeLee]

I get subutex WD in less than 12 hours.

Yes i know a lot of people do, its normal. But I don't. Just once, first time they put be on bupe for heroin withdrawal. That time i did get WD's faster when i decided to go off bupe.
Since then bupe have not produced wd's that fast. As i wrote, don't ask me why its just how my body works with buprenorphine.
There are some theories but that is irrelevant now.

 

[Ufotofu9]

NORTHSIDE,

Your at 96 hours without Bupe with mild WDs? Cool.

In my experience, at 96 hours I had some withdrawals which were pretty uncomfortable, yet definitely manageable. It wasn't the physical symptoms that bothered me, but the psychological distress that make me come back to the Bupe after 6 days without.

But if you feel OK and you continue to feel OK, then you hafta stick it out.

I use Subutex as an anti-depressant, and so it made m depressed when I didn't have it. On the 6th day when I gave it, I felt absolutely "peachy-keen." The funny thing is that I don't ever talk that way, but those are the exact words I used: "peachy-keen."

But I would have rather tapered off of dope than Subutex to be honest. It just left me psychologically distressed. On the bright side it;s a much more affective anti-depressant than anything I have ever used!

 

[Ufotofu9]

I, Personally can not wait for the pharmacy to open tommorrow morning (8.45am fact fans!)

I went on a heroin binge on thursday, brought enough back to last friday, got back on subutex on saturday - then smashed through my 4 days supply.

Today I did 0.4mgs (early this morning IV) - normally on 2.4mgs. Managed to get hold of 7 packets of loperamide (84mgs) (I cvould have bought 2 bags of gear for the same price). Also got a fuck load of booze.

Just hoping I knock myself out on booze before the WD kick in.

Eight0Eight, your story has reminded me of something.

It seems as though after your Thursday binge, you were taking drugs just for the sake of taking something, anything! With 4 Subutex (Subuti?) to hold you over until Monday, you took them all instead of spreading them out to hold you over until Monday I can't imagine tehSubutex was recreational after all of the dope from Thursday.

Now, I am an Immodium believer; I've nodded from Loperamide. But like you said, you could have bought two bags (I'm assuming that a bag is what we call a bundle on the U.S east coast) for the price of the Immodium, which is a pretty expensive OTC product.

I understand everything you said in your post, and I am not questioning why you did what you did because I've done it and continue to do things like that myself.

But this need to do something to my body regardless regardless of its recreational value can be a huge waste of time and money.

Although this is off topic, I wonder why we do this? Is it boredom, curiosity, some psycho-masochism? I dunno, but it isn't rational.