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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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got a quick question:

can i take my suboxone whenever i want after i took some excedrin(acetominphen/aspirin/caffeine) earlier? will anything bad happen if i take my suboxone now?
 
chrisinabox said:
got a quick question:

can i take my suboxone whenever i want after i took some excedrin(acetominphen/aspirin/caffeine) earlier? will anything bad happen if i take my suboxone now?
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Nothing bad will happen. Take it whenever you want. However, the 800mg ibuprofen pills you got should work better than any amount of Excedrin. If you decide to take both, I would take 800mg of ibuprofen and no more than one or two tablets/capsules of Excedrin every four hours. Many people enjoy caffiene with their buprenorphine, and taking it in a form that doesn't include sugar is best in terms of making the most out of your buprenorphine dose.
 
hmmm I'm thinking of trying to bang some sub just one time to see what its like, cause I'm bored and usually snort it but I don't feel like tasting that nasty shit right now. I usually snort like 1-2 mg and get a decent high im not dependent on opiates or anything, but I'll do sub if I don't have money to buy h. So I'm gonna go ahead and dissolve 1 mg in water without heating it let it sit a minute then filter it 3 or 4 times through a cotton(I know this is bad but I just wanna do it once as a science experiment). So Im gonna check this thread in a few min and gonna do it unless someone talks me out of it when i check. And if i do it i'll be sure to let you know guys know my experience, cause I know there's a lot of threads on it already but its always nice to hear someone elses experience
 
I'm hoping someone here can help me with this question. I take buprenorphine recreationally, which kind of makes me feel bad seeing those of you here who are on it for maintanence. But it makes a great eurphoric high for me, so I've been taking it quite a bit recently. I haven't been able to figure out the sublingual method, my mouth always fills with saliva and the pills disappear and I think I end up swallowing them. So I've been snorting 0.2mg Temgesics.

I have a few questions. First off, these pills are obviously not 0.2mg of substance. That would be miniscule. They are very small, but not 0.2mg small. I'd say they are about 1/2 to 1/3 of the size of your average american brand advil or ibuprofen tablet. So there is obviously a lot of filler in there. Could that be dangerous to my sinus cavities? To snort 1mg of bupe, it seems as though I'm snorting about 500mg of powder. Could those binders and fillers be a problem, or is it like that with all pills people snort? Is my body able to filter those down through my sinus cavity so I can swallow them now problem, or am I going to end up with a huge abscess up there?

But my main question is withdrawl and dosage. I've been taking 1-2mg every other day for a few weeks now. I never hear anything about straight buprenorphine addiction and withdrawl. What is the withdrawl like and what kind of symptoms can I expect from this? I've withdrawled from opiates before, but bupe is a totally new experience for me so I don't know what to expect. I'm going to give it a rest after tomorrow to see what the WDs are like, but can anyone give me a heads up? Is bupe particularly nasty to WD from or not so bad?

One last quick question: I've got more codeine phosphate laying around right now then I know what to do with. Can this be combined with bupe at all safely? I know bupe is a strong mu agonist and so will kick off other agonists and that's how people go into precipitated withdrawl, but how does this work taking something like codeine concurrently with a bupe dose? Thanks.
 
Dr.Strange.Love said:
I'm hoping someone here can help me with this question. I take buprenorphine recreationally, which kind of makes me feel bad seeing those of you here who are on it for maintanence. But it makes a great eurphoric high for me, so I've been taking it quite a bit recently. I haven't been able to figure out the sublingual method, my mouth always fills with saliva and the pills disappear and I think I end up swallowing them. So I've been snorting 0.2mg Temgesics.
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Just lay in bed with your head at a 45 degree angle. Use your toungue to cap all of the saliva underneath. And if any saliva leaks out, just get it back under there using your tongue. It is worth learning, I've always found sublingual buprenorphine to be better than intranasal, despite the slightly higher bioavailability intranasally.

Dr.Strange.Love said:
I have a few questions. First off, these pills are obviously not 0.2mg of substance. That would be miniscule. They are very small, but not 0.2mg small. I'd say they are about 1/2 to 1/3 of the size of your average american brand advil or ibuprofen tablet. So there is obviously a lot of filler in there. Could that be dangerous to my sinus cavities? To snort 1mg of bupe, it seems as though I'm snorting about 500mg of powder. Could those binders and fillers be a problem, or is it like that with all pills people snort? Is my body able to filter those down through my sinus cavity so I can swallow them now problem, or am I going to end up with a huge abscess up there?
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The nose is pretty resilient. If you aren't using it for maintenance, I can't imagine you have a huge supply of it. So, unless you are snorting several of them a day for very long periods of time, you should be fine. It helps if you wash your nose out with water or a saline solution after every time you use, or at least pretty often. And if you start to experience pain in your nose, or if you start to have nosebleeds, then you need to give your nose a break.

Dr.Strange.Love said:
But my main question is withdrawl and dosage. I've been taking 1-2mg every other day for a few weeks now. I never hear anything about straight buprenorphine addiction and withdrawl. What is the withdrawl like and what kind of symptoms can I expect from this? I've withdrawled from opiates before, but bupe is a totally new experience for me so I don't know what to expect. I'm going to give it a rest after tomorrow to see what the WDs are like, but can anyone give me a heads up? Is bupe particularly nasty to WD from or not so bad?
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Buprenorphine withdrawal is a lot like every other opioid withdrawal you've experienced, except it lasts much longer. Buprenorphine withdrawals generally last between one and two weeks, with ten days being the approximate average based on reports of users here.

Dr.Strange.Love said:
One last quick question: I've got more codeine phosphate laying around right now then I know what to do with. Can this be combined with bupe at all safely? I know bupe is a strong mu agonist and so will kick off other agonists and that's how people go into precipitated withdrawl, but how does this work taking something like codeine concurrently with a bupe dose? Thanks.
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There is no point in taking codeine while your on buprenorphine. It won't throw you into withdrawals, but it also won't produce any of the effects you are looking for.
 
bow-viper1 said:
Just lay in bed with your head at a 45 degree angle. Use your toungue to cap all of the saliva underneath. And if any saliva leaks out, just get it back under there using your tongue. It is worth learning, I've always found sublingual buprenorphine to be better than intranasal, despite the slightly higher bioavailability intranasally.


The nose is pretty resilient. If you aren't using it for maintenance, I can't imagine you have a huge supply of it. So, unless you are snorting several of them a day for very long periods of time, you should be fine. It helps if you wash your nose out with water or a saline solution after every time you use, or at least pretty often. And if you start to experience pain in your nose, or if you start to have nosebleeds, then you need to give your nose a break.


Buprenorphine withdrawal is a lot like every other opioid withdrawal you've experienced, except it lasts much longer. Buprenorphine withdrawals generally last between one and two weeks, with ten days being the approximate average based on reports of users here.


There is no point in taking codeine while your on buprenorphine. It won't throw you into withdrawals, but it also won't produce any of the effects you are looking for.
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Hey thanks for the answers, that helps a lot. Yeah I didn't think the codeine would do anything since bupe has such an affinity, but I wasn't sure.

And I really do wish I could figure out the sublingual method, since I KNOW it will work better for me because I get better results when I take some sublingual and some intranasal vs. the same dose all intranasal (a lot of powder...). But if I try taking the same dose only sublingual, I get terrible results because, like I said, I get a mouth full of saliva and I lose track of where the pills are and eventually end up swallowing my mouthful. My mouth is fine and doesn't produce any excess saliva until the pills start to disolve. As soon as they start to disolve, the underside of my tongue fills with saliva and it overflows to the rest of my mouth.

Is there is best location to put the tabs? Directly in front or off to the side?

Damn, I never thought this would be an issue but it really pisses me off. Although i haven't tried tilting my head 45 degrees yet, maybe I'll try that tomorrow.
Thanks again for the reply
 
Hi all,
i'm new to this and this is my first post-question so thanks in advance for any answers....

I used to smoke H on and off for about a year, but have stop for about 15 years now and recently i came across some bupre generic name ZONOR 0.216mgx1 made in Pakistan. Other than the occasional(once every few mths) CWE 150mg codiene i chug i have had no opiates at all. One thing to note is i do take about 20-40mg of diazepam daily so my questions is.. is it safe for me to pop some of the ZONOR and if so how many should i pop to obtain a high??
 
affasd said:
hmmm I'm thinking of trying to bang some sub just one time to see what its like, cause I'm bored and usually snort it but I don't feel like tasting that nasty shit right now. I usually snort like 1-2 mg and get a decent high im not dependent on opiates or anything, but I'll do sub if I don't have money to buy h. So I'm gonna go ahead and dissolve 1 mg in water without heating it let it sit a minute then filter it 3 or 4 times through a cotton(I know this is bad but I just wanna do it once as a science experiment). So Im gonna check this thread in a few min and gonna do it unless someone talks me out of it when i check. And if i do it i'll be sure to let you know guys know my experience, cause I know there's a lot of threads on it already but its always nice to hear someone elses experience
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You don't have to use the cotton, but if it's your preference, go for it.

Just be careful not to miss. I would also say that 1mg is a good dose.

Dr.Strange.Love said:
Hey thanks for the answers, that helps a lot. Yeah I didn't think the codeine would do anything since bupe has such an affinity, but I wasn't sure.

And I really do wish I could figure out the sublingual method, since I KNOW it will work better for me because I get better results when I take some sublingual and some intranasal vs. the same dose all intranasal (a lot of powder...). But if I try taking the same dose only sublingual, I get terrible results because, like I said, I get a mouth full of saliva and I lose track of where the pills are and eventually end up swallowing my mouthful. My mouth is fine and doesn't produce any excess saliva until the pills start to disolve. As soon as they start to disolve, the underside of my tongue fills with saliva and it overflows to the rest of my mouth.

Is there is best location to put the tabs? Directly in front or off to the side?

Damn, I never thought this would be an issue but it really pisses me off. Although i haven't tried tilting my head 45 degrees yet, maybe I'll try that tomorrow.
Thanks again for the reply
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Put 1/10 CC hard liquor (higher the alcohol % the better) with the pill; it will help it dissolve quickly, and you can spit out what is left afterwards.

ahlongsan said:
Hi all,
i'm new to this and this is my first post-question so thanks in advance for any answers....

I used to smoke H on and off for about a year, but have stop for about 15 years now and recently i came across some bupre generic name ZONOR 0.216mgx1 made in Pakistan. Other than the occasional(once every few mths) CWE 150mg codiene i chug i have had no opiates at all. One thing to note is i do take about 20-40mg of diazepam daily so my questions is.. is it safe for me to pop some of the ZONOR and if so how many should i pop to obtain a high??
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This is a generic buprenorphine pill with 0.216mg of it?

You shouldn't "pop" them, you should dissolve them underneath your tongue with hard liquor, so that you will get 0.1512mg of the active ingredient (versus the .0648mg you'll get from just sublingually dosing, or the 0.0216mg you'll get from 'popping' it).
 
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thanks heaps capt H...so u reckon it's ok for me to sub it even when i'm doing diazepam 20-40mg daily??
 
ahlongsan said:
thanks heaps capt H...so u reckon it's ok for me to sub it even when i'm doing diazepam 20-40mg daily??
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It varies between people. If you have pre-existing medical conditions which concern your heart, your lungs, etc, I would reconsider.

If you don't get heavy sedation or breathing suppression from the dose of diazepam (ie you have a tolerance), then you should be fine.

I saw someone take 20mg of lorazepam (5x the strength of diazepam) on buprenorphine, at least 10 times the amount you'd get from taking 1 pill. He was OK, but he has a HUGE benzo tolerance.

If you can take 20mg of diazepam in a day (four of the 5mg pills, or two of the 10mg pills) and you don't feel much different, then youll be OK to do the buprenorphine.

If you have a very low benzo tolerance, and then decide it's going to be really fun to do 20mg of xanax and then do a lot of buprenorphine, then no, that's a horrible idea.

But 20mg of diazepam is a pretty low dose, I'm sure you'd be fine. However, there's really heavy synergism between buprenorphine and benzos. You might want to take maybe 5mg of diazepam and then do the buprenorphine, and then do more diazepam as you feel necessary.

I take 2mg of buprenorphine a day (sometimes 3mg) and I took 0.5mg of xanax today...I'm pretty high from it still. I dosed about 7, maybe 8 hours ago.

I don't have a benzo tolerance at all though.

If you start at 5mg (or 10mg) of diazepam and then dose the buprenorphine, you should be fine, and could probably take another 10mg of diazepam comfortably and still be OK.
 
thanks once again capt H, i do have a tolerance of benzo so therefore as u have said i should be alright...just one more question please... based on 1x0.216mg per pill sub with alcohol, how many pills should i sub to get a high??? i have not had any CWE codiene for a mth and a half now so i'm not sure if i have any tolerance to opiates?? ii normally chug 150mg of CWE Codiene to get a high so what do u reckon would be a good dose for me??

Cheers, mate
 
Okay so I have yet another question... The subs are working great and I've been off the opiates for.... 15 - 20 days I guess... I really don't even know... but I like to take Alprazolam at night (I have the 2mg bars) and I am usually take a 1mg(Alpraz) around 6pm and then 1.5mg at 8 or 9 pm...

MY QUESTION: I know 2mg is the biggest they make in Xanax other than 3mgXR but is it really considered a BIG dose??? I ask because Vicodin 10mg is the biggest they make but that is a very small dose... So can anyone tell me what would be considered a HEAVY(not deadly) dose of Alprazolam would be??

***This question sounded better in my head, I'm sorry if it runs together and doesn't make much sense....
 
What is to be considered as a "big dose" is different for everyone, depending on tolerance.
If you take 2.5mg each and every night, then a "big dose" would be around 5mg. It is all subjective though and only you will know what you would label a certain dose.
BUT - You should be very, very careful when mixing any CNS depressants. And from what I've heard this goes double for Buprenorphine and Benzos.
So I would recommend doing maybe just 1mg of Alprazolam (in 0.5mg doses) after you've taken - and felt the effects of - your Bupe.
 
2 ?'s Pontentiating Suboxone and Subs and benzos.

I was wondering about two quick questions.

1. Is there any way to potentiate suboxone, so I can make the little I have last longer or be stronger and more effective. Maybe give it a boost?

2. Since Suboxone isn't a full agonist, while I am detoxing, can I take klonopins with it, say I don't have that much soboxone, and I have to ration it out and I still feel bad, can I take a benzo?

Thanks for your help.
 
Potentiate it to get more out of it, I only have 13 mg's and I want to make the most of it. I would think if you could potentiate drugs to get higher off of them, maybe you could also potentiate them for medicinal purposes as well.
 
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*potentiate subutx/one*
I could list 5-6 ways to potentiate yours subs but I'd simply be repeating what 100s of other BLs have already written, all accecible through the handy search engine :-)

If UTFSE doesn't work (I have a feeling it will), then let me know and I'll be happy to assist.

PY
 
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