Benzos and Tolerance
I know Vicodin has nothing to do with benzos, that was the whole point of the question... anyways, thanks for the advise and It seems as thought I built a tolerance QUICKLY b/c when the first time I took a xanax was last week and I took .5mg and got messed up but now I can take 1mg and I feel good but not tired and nodded out... So I think I'll stick with that...
But thanks again Capt. cause had you not answered that question I'm the type that would have kept upping the dose.... I'll be sure not to take over 2mg...
Yes, that is basically tolerance for you. For xanax, it builds up quick as fuck. If I take 0.5mg one night (I get pretty high from such a dose), and I try to take the same dose the next day, it's near-nothing.
It's a good idea to keep your dose at 2mg, because pushing it up higher is not all that great for when you're ready to come down. Plus, if you push your tolerance much past 2mg, it's hard to say whether or not it'll ever come back down.
With benzodiazepines, if you keep your dosing low, you should be able to take time off from dosing, and the ability to feel the same low dose you started out with should return.
However, if you take (let's say) five to ten times the amount of benzo you needed in the beginning, and you continue doing this every day for quite some time, it's likely that this dose will start to lose it's effect, and you will be unable to return to a lower tolerance.
I know someone who has a semi-permanent benzo tolerance. They take huge amounts of benzos, which would render me unconscious or dead.
However, even if this person I know (a good friend of mine) takes months off from dosing benzos (3 months or more even), there's no change in tolerance. Maybe there will be for the first few pills, but past that, it's the same old routine of taking a month's supply (or sometimes a 3 month supply) within a 3 day window, tops.
capt H, latest update is great feeling of euphria and very talkative(is that normal??) till about 6 hours after the dose then i sort of just lie down and pass out for an hour. woke up and the euphoria's gone and all's normal again so pretty good expreince all in all. i think i did the sub part wrong coz i stick all 3 pills at once under my tongue with alcohol and the alcohol was horrible to hold in my mouth for too long so i sort of chew it all up to help it dissolves and then swallow it all.....so maybe i didn't get the most out of the 3 pills( what do u reckon??) any advise to maximise the 3 pills?? or do u reckon i've got it right already????
Thanks in advance again for your help mate.....
cheers,
It does sting quite a bit, however this tingling sensation is the alcohol transporting the active ingredient across the mucous membrane of your mouth.
The positive side of using the alcohol is that you get more out of the pills, and it helps the pills dissolve rather quickly.
The fact is, you don't "have" to hold the pills under your tongue; there's membrane that will absorb the drug in other parts of your mouth. However, they say to keep it under your tongue because if you open your mouth while it's dissolving, some of the active drug can escape.
I'm sure you got what you were supposed to out of the pills. I get really talkative on buprenorphine (you can tell from all these huge posts I type on bluelight, one time JC was like "are you tweaking?" and I wasn't, but I was typing like I was lol), that is normal. The 6 hours of euphoria and then the nap sounds about normal in my opinion.
When people without an opiate tolerance take 0.5mg or 1mg of buprenorphine, they typically get talkative, somewhat sedated, and tend to nap near the end of the high. They'll wake up feeling refreshed.
My advice to you is to use less alcohol; for the dose you took, you only needed about 10, maybe 15 units of alcohol. This is a very tiny amount of alcohol, like 1/1000'th of a shot glass, really.
I think 1ml of hard liquor is needed for every 8mg for optimization. You took ~0.5mg, so you would only need 5 to 10 units of alcohol, max. 1/10 of 1 ML of hard liquor.
So if you want to try this again, I'd try less liquor. Sounds like it was a success overall though.
The only way to get "more" out of buprenorphine is to buy micron filters, and to filter the active ingredient out of the pill for injection. However, this is a very troublesome thing to do, and IVing buprenorphine will shorten its duration by a lot.
I think your best bet is to use less hard liquor. It's hard to quantify 1/10 of one ML....but that's all you need for a ~0.5mg dose.
quick Question for you guys....i took 4mg under the tounge( so really that would be 2mg in my system (correct?)
It's actually just 1.2mg in your system. If you used 6/7's method with alcohol, then you got 2.8mg in your system.
roughly 24 hours ago...could i snort or shoot the dope i just bought? or should i wait another 12-24 hours?
also, i been snortin dope a lot lately and couldnt find anything yesterday, so i took the 4mg(2mg) under the tounge, so its my first time using the bupe in a long time.
im staring at this needle and i just wanna fuckin boot it already damnet....think 24 hours is long enough to get the bupe/narcan completely out of my system so i can enjoy this dope 100 percent?
You could dose the dope you just bought, but it is less likely you'll get high. You might even need to use more dope than you normally would.
It's better to wait another 12, 24 hours if you can.
The naloxone is not active with any route of administration; it was completely out of your system quite a long time ago. Naloxone's half life is 1.5 hours; this means it's been out of your system, completely, for more than 12 hours. And by "in your system", I mean, "it's in your system doing nothing because buprenorphine out-competes it for the mu-opioid receptor".
Finally, if you want to enjoy the dope "100%", you'll need to wait more than just 24 hours.
also, if all you wanna do is shoot up heroin, then why are you on suboxone in the first place?
Exactly.
I got on suboxone to quit using heroin. If I wanted to continue using heroin, I wouldn't have gone to a doctor's office, now would I?
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) and I go through horrid WD's from buprenorphine. But, they're surely a lot less horrid than heroin WD's. ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")