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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Exactly my point. Nothing is perfect, but we still have to draw a line somewhere, and if that means protecting one of the best means for addicts to help themselves while letting other forms of discussion about prescription drug abuse go on, then sorry, but it's the best we can do.

Suboxone is unique and it's a huge benefit to those who need it. When that's taken away, what other option will there be? So what if Oxycontin becomes harder to get, there's a plethora of other pain medications that are just as good, if not better.

Plus, it's in the guidelines, if you don't like it...sorry.
 
sixpartseven said:
Exactly my point. Nothing is perfect, but we still have to draw a line somewhere, and if that means protecting one of the best means for addicts to help themselves while letting other forms of discussion about prescription drug abuse go on, then sorry, but it's the best we can do.
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ok, i wont argue with you, but I disagree on so many levels and to debate this with you would be pointless, we shall just have to agree to disagree
 
Trust me, you're not the first to bring it up, and you won't be the last. I never said it's fair, but it's just to protect Suboxone and discourage anything that will make it harder for the people who need it to get it.
 
johanneschimpo said:
If you dn't take diphenhydramine often, and have no tolerance, I'd say 50mg right before your suboxone does, then 25-50mg more as needed. I wouldn't go above 100mg in a 4-6 hour period if you don't take it often, as it can feel kind of weird.
It should take away the itch, and add to the nod/drowsiness a bit. Good luck.
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Damn, I take 25 mg of diphenhydramine and fall asleep. 50mg makes me dizzy and can't sleep and feel like I'm doing through w/d's. Yuck.
 
Suboxone/your post, re: rectally

kelvanE said:
when i snort it, it's difficult to avoid the drip completely, i mean, i would need a spittoon to spit out the drip. if i get suboxone juice in my stomach, even in small amounts, i get sick. yea, i could snort a large line of 1.0mg and spit out all of the juice over a 15 minutes period, or stick a 5mL oral syringe up the ass and plunge 1.0mg in there. it may be a little messier with K-Y Jelly and such each time, but in my experience it's been better.

so, yea, i dunno, i've felt great on rectal doses as opposed to insufflated doses. i think it's subjective as well.....?
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I hate the taste of the suboxone. I am on it when I have to go between taking Norco (knee replacement, pain, have rx for 3 a day for a month, but between internet, dr, friends) I can take 10 a day which makes for NO pain, but back prior to 2005 was up to 30 Norco's a day, but took suboxone for 2 months and stayed clean for a year, then had knee surgery and knee replacement. I don't want to get up to 30 a day again, and I have gone for 1 year taking 8 to 10 a day and am ok, using the norco w/ the Soma, but I have about a week out of the month where I am completely out and don't want to feel crappy for a week. I use the suboxone (1 to 1 1/2 8 mg tablet a day, then taper down to get ready for Norco), but I didn't know it could be done rectally, would rather do that, can you tell me how to do it? Do you just disolve it in saline or water and inject it up the ass or do you just put it up there and let it disolve up there? I am not trying to sound stupid, I just don't know and need advise!
 
I don't guess I do, I have physicals every year, and none of my labs are abnormal, except for the thyroid. I tend to be hypothyroid, but when I use the Norco, I feel fine and my thyroid levels go up!!!!! I think I am going to try to get my dr. to give me more suboxone, I don't like taking out of date stuff. I have a bump in my mouth under my tongue so maybe the old stuff is making me sick. I just gotta hang on till Monday then I get my new rx from the internet dr. I am just miserable.
 
I'm sorry 6/7 but I have to disagree with you.

He's wrong.

Kids get high on anything - DXM via cold remedies that have other active ingredients, not to mention kids who get high on freon.

If you think suboxone's going to be an epidemic in this country, I doubt it. It's been around for quite some time, and there's a reason that it's not an epidemic now. People PREFER mu-agnoists for A REAL HIGH.

"Kids" will get high on anything because they're 1) Young, 2) Ignorant, and 3) Impressionable.

I'm sure if you told enough children you can IV benadryl, there'll be a mother fucker who will go out and do that in an attempt to "get high".

If the FDA/DEA realize they got duped, then GOOD, because people are going to be abusing drugs anyways. If you try to safeguard buprenorphine, then people will abuse OC's. If you try to safe guard those, people will move onto Fentanyl. There's NO STOPPING DRUG ABUSE.

I can understand that someone's going to want to protect bluelight by limiting posts about abusing suboxone.

But why?

We have threads here on how to snort, slam, skin pop, smoke, or swallow ANY DRUG here.

Why is suboxone such a big deal?

Isn't snorting a 80mg OxyContin worse in the eyes of people than using suboxone via ANY ROA? It's because people are "getting high". If you tell them even if people IV suboxone, that they won't get high, THEY'RE PLEASED YOU TOLD THEM A HAPPY LITTLE LIE FOR THEIR SORRY LITTLE ASS TO BELIEVE IN, so they don't have to know the horrible truth ABOUT THEIR OWN CHILDREN ABUSING DRUGS.

That's what it comes down to.

Dr_F said:
I really like my compassionate, caring Sub doc whom I see once a month as well as the nurse practitioner and the counselor I see weekly, as they’ve been an immense help. And I really, really like picking up a 30 day supply of Suboxone at Costco just as I would any other med. I do NOT want to wake up at 5am to wait in line at a methadone clinic; I’ve worked at one, and it was not as nice as where I see my Sub doc.

Please. Don’t.
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What are you wining about?

There's a world-wide epidemic of IV suboxone abuse...do you think our worthless bluelight posts mean anything when compared to journal articles which entail the European epidemic?

Do you think the FDA/DEA cares they got duped? Do you think they weren't in on it like the drug companies were?

Maybe "98%" of this country are conservative because people like you don't vote?

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Plus, it's in the guidelines, if you don't like it...sorry.
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The government isn't going to like watching all the people on suboxone go back to shooting heroin. Suboxone has been nothing but a victory for the WoD, do you think these neo-cons are going to want heroin dealers to win because they're afraid of the needle?

The government would rather have people IV suboxone versus IV heroin, or even use heroin with any ROA.

If the FDA/DEA doesn't like the harsh reality, sorry. But the thing is, if people get to continuously post retarded threads like "phenobarb...can i bang?" or "how to IV methylphenidate??" then where's the point in limiting discussion on suboxone?

The thing is, the FDA/DEA knows the truth, and if they don't then it's underneath their noses and it's only a matter of time until they look down at their feet.

sixpartseven said:
Trust me, you're not the first to bring it up, and you won't be the last. I never said it's fair, but it's just to protect Suboxone and discourage anything that will make it harder for the people who need it to get it.
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People already have it out for any opiate as is, if you thinkt his way it's only a matter of time.

But as long as things like abusable fentanyl patches are still on the market, WHY are you even concerned about suboxone?

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I want everyone to ask themselves a question.

Why do you think the government is allowing all of this to happen? Do you really think they're all so stupid they have no idea what we're all up to? OF COURSE THEY DO. But the thing is, suboxone is not a typical mu-agonist with the classical tolerance-building aspect of the mu subtype 2 receptor. The government REALLY WOULD rather have you IVing a pill THEY sell you than IVing (OR snorting OR smoking OR eating) any mu-agonist opiate that you have without a prescription (illicitly acquired opiates).

Why do you think we even have a war on drugs? If the government would rather have you shooting heroin, they wouldn't be pushing suboxone on you via a doctor.

Is anyone else in the dark about why suboxone is so prevalent? Has anyone else figured out that heroin is the #1 drug the US has had trouble keeping out of the country? Does anyone else realize the US government will NEVER make suboxone available only through daily clinics because then people would go back to heroin and that's NOT what the point of the WoD is about?

I mean, can I get a DUHHHHH?
 
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"Hi, I'm Barack Obama and I want you to go back to shooting heroin because I don't like what you're doing with those poor addict's medications."

Like really, what do you think is going to happen? *FACEPALM*
 
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suboxone tolerance question

ive been doing suboxone for a year and a half, 16 mg. and im about to get cut off because my doctor is dropping my insurance. how long will it take for my tolerance to go down for me to get a desired effect from the bags that im gonna have to get. i just want to know so if i do something will it just be a waste. thanks
 
Shit man i'd try to wait at least 2 weeks. I've waited like 4 days, and definitely did not get the full potential of my opiate. Felt like i got maybe 1/4 of it, and it went away fast as fuck.
 
Well there's no way to know where your tolerance is at, so don't go off doing as much dope as you used to before suboxone. Start small, your tolerance can be many times lower.

As for how long until the suboxone is gone (well technically, not gone, but 'going away'), and how long until you can feel the dope, you're probably looking at 72 hours minimum. And to feel it 100%, with no blocking, probably another few days after that. Because 16mg/day is a large dose. And 1.5 years is a long time. You're going to have a lot of buprenorphine still lingering in your body for quite a while.

But please please please start small with the bags you're going to pick up. A year and a half on suboxone could have dropped your tolerance to full agonists (at least at first - it usually rises back to where it was after a few days of daily use).

Be careful. Also, suboxone WDs suck, so brace yourself. Trading dope for suboxone and back to dope isn't a great idea, and it isn't cheap. Your doc dropped your insurance... well, it would most likely be cheaper to stay on the suboxone without insurance than to go back to your dope habit. If you want to stay on suboxone, that is. Either way, best of luck to you, and START SMALL!

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johanneschimpo said:
Well there's no way to know where your tolerance is at, so don't go off doing as much dope as you used to before suboxone. Start small, your tolerance can be many times lower.

As for how long until the suboxone is gone (well technically, not gone, but 'going away'), and how long until you can feel the dope, you're probably looking at 72 hours minimum. And to feel it 100%, with no blocking, probably another few days after that. Because 16mg/day is a large dose. And 1.5 years is a long time. You're going to have a lot of buprenorphine still lingering in your body for quite a while.

But please please please start small with the bags you're going to pick up. A year and a half on suboxone could have dropped your tolerance to full agonists (at least at first - it usually rises back to where it was after a few days of daily use).

Be careful. Also, suboxone WDs suck, so brace yourself. Trading dope for suboxone and back to dope isn't a great idea, and it isn't cheap. Your doc dropped your insurance... well, it would most likely be cheaper to stay on the suboxone without insurance than to go back to your dope habit. If you want to stay on suboxone, that is. Either way, best of luck to you, and START SMALL!

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Man, I could not have said it better myself. Definitely be careful when starting back up and start small. Best of luck to you friend.. sucks about the insurance
 
Suboxone & Benzos

I was just prescribed to one 8mg suboxone a day for my heroin addiction but it says I cannot take benzos with it. I know i have in the past and i'm sure other people have too I'm just wondering how high the risks are.

Thanks
 
Merging rrmarbles' question into the sub mega thread.

It depends on what kind of doses you are using. Taking a high amount of sub with a large amount of benzodiazepines could be very dangerous, but otherwise the risk probably isn't as great as with other opioids.
 
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Just how quickly is suboxone absorbed through your veins under your tounge?

I am just asking for opinions. And also looking for optimal usage. I keep under tounge until there is no more grainy feeling and then for about five more minutes, trying to keep it from slipping out the sides of my mouth. By the point where your saliva is amounting to too much has most of the drug been absorbed? Sorry if my questions seem redundant.
 
I need some opinions. I quit doing heroin almost three months ago...I've done morphine twice in the last couple weeks though. I'm really trying to stay clean but all I ever think about is heroin and the only reason I haven't relapsed on it is because I moved to a new state and its not around. would getting on suboxone be a good idea for me since I already detoxed and have mostly been clean for awhile? I just don't see myself being clean for much longer unless I do something
 
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