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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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First of all guys i forgot how good having a drink felt. not that im a hard drinker. maybe 1-2 a week. but i hated the way it made me feel while on suboxone. WHAT A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE

( i know i know. im not trading up one vice for another. trust me. i just had a drink and it felt much different then while on subz)


I still feel kind of depressed but its nothing that a phone call to my boy or a girl doesn't solve. they usually make me happy.

the worst part is the struggle to sleep although getting better a little. and the lack of energy. ive been so busy with school and handling 20 units.. i could use some UMF if ya know what i mean ( talk about a time to stop taking opiates)

i had a legitimate anxiety attack for the first time today since i can remember. but i calmed myself down. had some water and talked my way out of it with breathing techniques.

the future is looking bright and i am not mad at suboxone.

it IS a wonder drug. and it helped me and MILLIONS of people get off the shit.

gluk to you all.
 
Hi everyone!
ok im kicking suboxone and its fucking killing me although im doing it because the 8 norcos 6 times a day and 500 mg morphine a day were killing me ALOT worse and the ups and downs were SOOOO fucked up;.
however suboxone i am finding is NOOOOOOOOOOOO better.
maybe it is if you dont get addicted to it, but i jsut happened to get addicted to suboxone, alternating it with hydro use for a little over a year.
Suboxone wd is WAYY worse than any other wd i have ever had.
though hydro/morphine/heroin wd is WAY more intense and hits so fast and strong........at LEAST AFTER 4 or 5 FUCKING days you START to feel slightly better!!!!!!!!!!
suboxone..................yeah its more subtle.........more drawn out .................but its been almost TWO fucking weeks, and its getting worse if anything. ive honestly been able to abstain and its been gettting worse every day even despite using clonodine and mass amounts of benzos........last night (about the 12 day mark) the insomnia/gut distress/anixety/pain etc. were SOOO severe I was CERTAIN I was going to keel over dead, so i gave in and subligualed 2 mg suboxone which now i am totaly unsure about\...i dont know if i have set myselft back......i dont feel like i cheated. i DIDNT WANT TO GET HIGH and i DONT. even with the hydro/morphine i didnt. i am a chronic pain patient who has been on for a decade.
I jsut feel like i got SOOO fucking far, and it jsut DOESNT get any better!!!!!!!!!! so what do i do?!?! I cant to to work like this. so i have to take some sub. will i EVER get off? i have a huge supply plus a huge supply of norcos, so im not worried about finding shit. but I Knew i could do this, and I have been taking the pain and just living with it, having faith in myself. and thogh its been the most painful week and a half of my life...ive BEEN GETTING THROUGH it UNTIL the past 2 nights!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the insomnia got SOOOO instense that even .6 mg clonodine atop 6 mg kpin atop 30 mg temazepam DIDNT PUT ME TO SLEEP and my guts are jsut churning and the clonodien has stopped helping the chills.
DOES THIS FUCKING SHIT EVVVVVVER GET BETTER?!?!?!?!?!?
fuck I C/T off 8 mg suboxone for 4 days and it was the most intense hell ive ever been through. THis time, I have taken the time and tapered soooooooo slowly over months and months and i got down to less than .5 mg sublingualy. and the wd just NEVER FUCKING END i swear to you suboxone is worse than any heroin habit, i am tempted to get back on the dope and wd off it jsut due to the fact that the wd only lasts about a week (plus the weeks of depression)
im also addicted to HUGE amounts of benzos for a decade. am I EVER going to be able to live a normal life?
thanks and peace
 
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You still felt like that after 2 weeks? jesus. im at day 7-8 and i feel fine. just insomnia and anxiety. but that WD feeling left at day 3-5.


I think this might be due to the fact that you juggled your shit for so long. your now WDing from a WIDE VARIETY OF OPIATES. not just suboxone....


best of luck to you bro. it literally is hell on earth. :|
 
ok so i was prescibed 24 mg a day but NEVER IN MY LIFE took that much
I ended up, taking 4 mg for about a year and a half maybe 2 years i think
DO NOT FUKCING GET ADDICTED TO THIS SHIT ONLY USE FOR WD, IF EVEN THAT
so anyways, i tapered down to 2 mg over the course of 3 weeks. this was HELL but NOTHING like what was to come. tapering down to 1 mg, was hell, but almost felt good in a way. i felt, Hey, i think i might be getting better i might be in the clear! i think i might just have been able to skip sub wds!!!!!!
DEAD FUCKING WRONG
i spend 2 weeks dropping from 2-1 mg.
i spent 1 week on one mg. symptoms were SEVERE chills witch clonodien helped IMMENSELY. but i KNEW i could do this and i had faith in god and myself. i kept going to work.
i spent 2 weeks goinf from 1 mg clear down to less than .5 mg
this wasnt bad.
I was cold ALWAYS. SEVERLY COLD< yet for some reason, I didnt have the shits, and I was still able to sleep, although i was having some bad muscle pains.
dropping off:
Day 2 of dropping off HELL ON EARTH HITS ME even though Im LOADING up on clonidine and 6 mg clonazepam and 60 mg temazepam. Im so cold I wish to die, and my guts are starting to churn harder and harder. my muscles are starting to fuckign KILL ME
day 3-4:
Sleep dissapears, and even 3 fucking full strength temaizes, .6 mg clonodine, and 6 mg temaz STILL NO SLEEP
hardcore chills worse than ive ever experienced. hardcore cramps hardcore RLS NO SLEEP im going fuckign insane
days5-10-Im in a walking and living hell and im just praying for strength at every moment but its killing me and i have to start a new job this week. clonodine is no longer of any use. so finaly, almsot 2 weeks after stopping, i am SOOOOOO sick that i sublingual 2 mg suboxone at 3 am becasue i feel i will die if i dont.

FUCK THIS DRUG FUCK THIS SICKNESS BUT FUCK THIS DRUG WORSE i am considering getttig back on HYDRO TO PURPOSLY WD from it cause though i know it will be intense, it SHOUDL GET BETTER IN A WEAK unlike sub which NEVER seems to get better
the onyl thing i can compare this too is HEAVY morphine wd, but this is worse. the diarea, vomiting, severe chills/sweats and the insomnia are worse than ANY flue ive ever experienced
 
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT BRO I REALLLLY APRECIATE IT SINCERLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im trying to have faith its so hard but i am going to church and keeping my faith up
keep in mind i have been a HIGH dose abuser for a decade
and im not joking, its STILL getting worse and im almost to 2 weeks
 
your right, i am addicted to sub hydro and morph and i was OFTEN using all three in the same day
and im not joking it really isnt getting any better
Im glad your feeling better FUCKING GOOD LUCK TO YOU GOD BLESS YOU WITH POWER AND STRENGTH!!!!!!!!!
 
it seems that sleep is impossible.
anyone else find this? this and the coldness are my 2 worse complaints, though pain is killing me as well. SORRY for all the posts! icant edit mine though for some reason.
im jsut curious does it Ever get better?
again, opiates for a decade, and subs for 1.5-2 years
again, amounts of benzos and sedatives that SHOUDL knock out an elephant are not even touching me i lay there FREEZING to death all night
best of luck to all of you!
 
what the fuck shoudl i do? keep taking lower doses of sub to cope or just LIVE through this sickness and hope not to die?
thanks and sorry again for all the posts!
 
ofukibenhearB4 said:
what the fuck shoudl i do? keep taking lower doses of sub to cope or just LIVE through this sickness and hope not to die?
thanks and sorry again for all the posts!
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if you're just doing norco/hydrocodone, then you probably took too much suboxone.... just read about the equivalency posts.

also, I have been on suboxone for a year.. I was on 24 mg, then I wasn't so strict with my dose everyday, missing a day sometimes... taking only 16 other times... A couple weeks ago I was able to get down to 12 mg, stayed on that for a week.... but the past week i've only been taking 2-4mg a day... I haven't had any withdrawl, or at least not anything uncomfortable..

I actually wake up after 7 hours instead of sleeping 12 hours (which I needed)...
and I can actually crap more than once a weed (which I needed...)

certainly I believe some of you are having problems tapering off suboxone, but with patience and taking the time to drop slow enough, and low enough (.5 mg every other day, thats a quarter of a 2mg tab, or taking a 1/4 of an N8 and breaking it into 4...kinda hard...) but at such a low dose for a couple of weeks, then you should be fine...

I guess I'm lucky that I could drop down so much without feeling much of anything negative?
 
yes, you could also just live through the withdrawl, it will be over within a week usually... maybe feel crappy another week, then kinda tired/depressed while your brain kicks out more endorphins....

I forced myself to go trough bad withdrawls several times on oxy... I would stay in my room in my apartment with the cell phone off so I couldn't buy any... I knew if I didn't go through withdrawl it would be much worse to keep raising my tolerance and then come off... The problem is even after suffering through the withdrawl, and feeling fine for a week... relapse was almost certain... the withdrawls that I forced myself into were starting to be easier than avoiding the relapse that always came within 3 weeks...
 
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first becasue i am DEAD broke. i have stretched my sub supply so long and alternated with other opiates for this reason thats its rediculous.
also to note NO it wasnt just norco: as I stated I was using around a half a gram of morphine a day as well as 8 norcos every 4 hours (inlcuing every 3 hours mid of night) for a decade-
I cant afford another doc, i got CUT straight off my state PDA and so i am getting by with what I can
and i really do not have the ability to edit or delete i will inquire and Sorry again i didnt mean to piss you people off!
thanks
 
oh believe me i have wd off huge doses of heroin/or morphine or boht many a time. i KNOW what thats like
I am talking about SUB wd.
It is a bitch, and I am poor as can be and cannot afford the thousands of dollars its takes to get more sub. thats why i have made my couple of lasts 24 mg a day scripts last me so long by using only 4-8 mg a day/////////////
also i have tapered off VARY SLOWLY over the course of around a month at Leats and have been clean for almost 2 weeks
so please dont assume that your experience will be the same as mine
thank you everyone for the support though i feel like im dying. id way rather wd from heroin than this (but i cant cop any of that either)
 
ofukibenhearB4 said:
oh believe me i have wd off huge doses of heroin/or morphine or boht many a time. i KNOW what thats like
I am talking about SUB wd.
It is a bitch, and I am poor as can be and cannot afford the thousands of dollars its takes to get more sub. thats why i have made my couple of lasts 24 mg a day scripts last me so long by using only 4-8 mg a day/////////////
also i have tapered off VARY SLOWLY over the course of around a month at Leats and have been clean for almost 2 weeks
so please dont assume that your experience will be the same as mine
thank you everyone for the support though i feel like im dying. id way rather wd from heroin than this (but i cant cop any of that either)
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Then yes, continue taking the minimal dose just to 'live through hell'... try to get to .5 mg every other day. Going back to other opiates isn't the answer, even if you think the withdrawl is easier... suboxone isn't about withdrawal alone... it took about 2 mg for everyone i know to stop w/d.... but why is the usual dose 16-24mg??? because at 2 mg you still have cravings, the level for therapy is when your life becomes normal again. Since its only a partial opiate, it is much easier to taper off sucessfully than methadone... but you cannot keep relapsing on other opiates... each time you do, you're back at step 1.
Like you said, you know what hydrocodone withdrawl is like, you know what heroin withdrawl is like.... why? because after the shitty fucking withdrawl, you will go back and relapse... despite the effects of what hell you just went through.
So no, suboxone isn't evil, it allows people to live their lives normally... even if they are not well enough to taper down, it is a much better drug for matainence than methadone, as people taking metadone will often look to still get high from it. To an opiate user with almost any tolerance, I find suboxone impossible to get 'high' from. I went from 300mg of Oxy a day to cold turkey for a week, when i went on a fucking family vacation to disney world.... Wow what a way to ruin a vacation, I know what 7 days of hell is, and many more after that... but since suboxone, I haven't wasted all my money building a tolerance just to withdrawl and relapse... It can do more than cure withdrawl, it can help you stop your addiction, but to do the latter, you need time and much patience, and most likely some (non-group) counseling/therapy to go along with the treatment.... I say non-group, because rehab and NA meetings have led my friends on suboxone back to sources and temptations more than they have helped, but a good counseler/psychotherapist can be a great help with this struggle.

Don't give up, at best thank the suboxone for allowing you to function each day, get a job, or go to school, live a normal life... things that typically end up getting fucked over when you get hooked to dope, oxy or hydrocodone...

If you're flat broke and don't think you can afford suboxone anymore... talk with your doctor about free suboxone/suboxone assitance:
http://www.needymeds.org/drug_list.taf?_function=name&name=Suboxone
yes, this is a real program, my room mate does not have insurance and his suboxone meds were killing his income, and he got accepted on that program, so now he gets his meds straight from the doctor for free.
 
EnYAY said:
First of all guys i forgot how good having a drink felt. not that im a hard drinker. maybe 1-2 a week. but i hated the way it made me feel while on suboxone. WHAT A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE

( i know i know. im not trading up one vice for another. trust me. i just had a drink and it felt much different then while on subz)
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Suboxone made me feel like shit when I drank on it too.

Psychotic, I would recommend going down to 0.2mg everyday, rather than 0.5mg every other day, so that you maintain a steady level of sub in your system. With doses this low, they can wear off in 12 hours. I barely had any withdrawals when I jumped off of 0.2mg a day.
 
My doctor is dead, I have no money, so i have NO DOC.
sub to me is basicaly heroin in a pill or better so to me it was a REALLY bad choice.
i wont thank it for anything, its the most hardcore drug ive ever encountered (and ive done them all basicaly) (keep in mind this shit is up their with FENT in terms of potency)
I have 60 8 mg subs left, and 240 norcos.

I was wondering if kratom has been used by any of you AFTER tapering off subs? cause once in the mid of cold turk sub wd kratom did NOTHING for me, but tapering down to .5 mg...............anyone have input?
sorry i just made a really long post and the fucking thing got deleted or something becasue by the time i hit post, it had logged me out and so i lost the whole fucking post. damnit
 
i don't think bupe is up there with fent in terms of potency. it does have a very high affinity for the receptors but is only a partial agonist so it doesnt "feel" the same or as strong as say fent, unless you have a small opiate tolerance. and how is this the most hardcore drug you have done? have you done other strong opioid agonists? if so, then you should know its not. you might feel that way now b/c you are in withdrawal from the bupe and that could make you hate it. i would say if u want to quit bupe with minimal withdrawal then just taper down as low as possible, and taper very slowly so you dont go into w/d tapering down. and jump off when you are at like 0.1mg every other day to 2 days and you shouldnt have barely any withdrawal at all.
 
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