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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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Suboxone seems to keep me from agonozing withdrawals but the entire time I am craving dope and feel on the "verge" of getting quite sick.
 
Suboxone & Surgery

Hello, I'm a n00b here, but have been on opiates for years. I was on vicodin, then Oxy, sometimes H for five years. I've now been on Suboxone for two years, starting at 24MG a day and now down to 1 mg a day. I have surgery coming up and do not want to tell the doctor that I am on suboxone because I'm afraid that they will not give me any painkillers for the pain after the surgery. I'm also trying to figure out how many hours before the surgery should I take my last dose of suboxone. Is it dangerous for me to neglect to mention the suboxone to the doctor, surgeon or anesthesiologist? Or is 1mg not enough to worry about? How many hours before my surgery can I take my last dose so that the painkillers they give me after will help? Will I need to up my dosage of suboxone after I stop taking the painkillers? Honestly, the idea of having them is the only positive thing about this surgery. :\ Any advice is greatly appreciated!
 
^they say the naloxone will cause precipitated withdrawal all the time but actually this is falso because bupe has a higher affinity for the opioid receptors and therefore overpowers the naloxone no matter which way you ingest the suboxone. it is a scare tactic basically.
 
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sixpartseven i think it was you who posted that thread about the alcohol & cotton swabs w/bupe from brokelight, did you bring it over to BL, or do you plan to? don't know if there's a way to retrieve it or whatever but it was definitely interesting.
 
ellua said:
sixpartseven i think it was you who posted that thread about the alcohol & cotton swabs w/bupe from brokelight, did you bring it over to BL, or do you plan to? don't know if there's a way to retrieve it or whatever but it was definitely interesting.
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I'm going to re-write it sometime in the next couple hours. I can't get access to the posts from Brokelight, so I can't move it. I'm starting to think it would have been wise to save a copy of that, because I knew Brokelight was going to be closed eventually.

So yeah, it will be up soon.
 
I feel i should help

Ok ive been doing oxy,methadone,perks,vics for 3 years the first year and half i had it under control I would only do 40mgof oxy or 10 mg of perks like every 2 days or so. I had started because my whore ex girlfriend cheated on me so i leaned on the oxy to make me feel happy and to be honest with out it i might have killed myself. But anyway like i said a year and half later i started losing control but one thing i notice made it alot worse was i gained weight. I went from 189lbs to 235lbs in a matter of 7 months. Having extra weight in my case i know it made it worse. Well dec 2007 was my first WD feeling i ever had . I never had one before but then i realized it was because of these pills. Well my tolerance kept going and going till i was doing 200mg oxy sniffing i never got into shooting the stuff. Well things turned really bad lost my job, lost my apt, and almost lost my family because i was to embrassed to admit i had a problem. Well oct 10 2008 i caved in walked out to the kitchen and told my mom i had a problem being my mother she just held me and was so happy i wanted to get help. Looked up a doctor (would only take cash 150 set up fee and 100 every visit after) went to him he was a real asshole but he wrote me a script for trazdone and finally 21 8mg suboxone (also gave me 1 little box of serquel with 4 pills in it) i was suppose to take three a day well i never took three a day because of all the info i got from you guys on here (thank you). Well the week supply lasted 4 weeks . I went back on nov 10th and he basically was mad because i made good progress and he lost out on 300 dollars because i made it last.

Now here is some info i notice isnt even talked about that helped me . I dont have any arrest on my record its clean as a whistle thank god. Well one day recently i woke up and decided i wanted to be cop. Well i joined the YMCA and i take hydroxcut to help with the weight loss but working out im telling you helps so much with the WD from it I think because your burning fat where painkillers tend to store them selves. People who are having trouble please walk or lift weights you will feel so much better. I go to the gym and run for 30 mins and lift for 2 hours. Not saying you have to workout that long but doing something helps.Trust me i know your saying oh im not the work out type and i wasnt either but if you really want to kick the Subs work out it will help. Also from working out i stop taking sleep meds because im so tired at night time.

For the guys who are trying to quit you can do it. Im not saying i dont think about OC because that would be a huge f^ckin lie because i always think about it. I loved that warm feeling just as much as the next addict but i have a new gf with her warm fuzzy hole:) . Haha but all kidding aside if anyone wants info or has questions on things that help with the WD please just ask send me a message sh1t ill even call you if you want lol. I know alot more things that helped i just dont feel like typing anymore. but good luck to all
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I had a question.

If there is talc in benadryl, why do you all say it is OK to IV with it?
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No one ever said it's ok to shoot with it. In fact, if you are going to be IVing diphenhydramine containing pills, Benadryl is the last brand you'd want to use. Sleepinal would be your best choice, but I think even that has talc in it.

It's not ok to shoot, but people who are determined to do it are going to do it, so we have to help them by giving them proper information on how to stay safe doing it. That's the whole point of BL: "Drugs aren't good for you, but here's how to stay as safe as possible."
 
psychotic said:
kratom doesn't help withdrawl... and sub is far from heroin in a pill.... As for it being the most hardcore drug.. the potency is high, but the recreational value is low, it is only a partial antagonist, not a true opiate.
The reason people take 16-24 mg is because thats the ammount needed to stop CRAVINGS.... using suboxone to stop withdrawal is one thing.... using it to stop a mental addiction is completely different.... I find most people that use it only to stop withdrawl find it outrageous that others need 'high doses', but those same people relapse over and over, using suboxone just to bypass the withdrawal. ONLY after you have overcome your mental addiction should you taper off of suboxone, there is a fine line while dropping the dose where cravings come back in, and the purpose is to not push it, to NOT relapse and NOT have cravings, because those cravings are your mental addiction...... if you get addicted to opiates, then go through withdrawl, and never get hooked on them again... GOOD FOR YOU, because you were only PHYSICALLY addictive... But if you go through this hell many times, just to continue using, you are horribly addicted MENTALLY... and not mental addiction like you get with weed, sex, chocolate... not the 'mental addiction' that means you like something... this addiction is NOT something you can control, it has a place in your unconcious.... How many of us have had those EXTREMELY vivid dreams about finding oxy pills or some other opiate, these dreams during the time you're trying to quit, sometimes so vivid that you wake up and wonder 'where is that pill that I found???' before remembering it was actually a dream... in my opinion, you can want to quit, but your brain will fight with your own conciousness trying to make you go against your will to increase the normal opiate level... The key is stoping the addiction, and then dealing with the withdrawls...

To me, it sounds like you're not ready to stop being an addict. you keep refering to going back to norcos and H, and strongly doubt any abilities of suboxone. I don't think youve kept a steady enough stream of the bupe in your system without introducing other opiates, nor given a proper ammount of time to taper off the drug properly...

either know you're fed up, put up with the pain, sell ALL the norcos or flush them, and quit for good.... or move someplace else where you have no connections and do not attempt to make new connections, that can help a lot.

i hate to make it sound like you're not trying, it just seems like you need to have more faith in suboxone rather than thinking its just dope, just another opiate. An easy way to put this without going into technical crap... Suboxone only partially bonds to your receptors, providing enough to feel normal, rather than a full opiate that fully bonds to your receptors. Now if you have been getting high, your receptors are damaged and possible you have a low ammount of them. only partially covering them can allow them to partially 'heal'... but it takes time...
you can get off suboxone without HORRIBLE withdrawl. Although dropping the dose, even slowly, isn't at all comfortable... it is something you can accomplish
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Vey good post, very informative. Still a lot of misunderstandings about Sub, mental addiction and physical dependence surrounding opiates; this post helps distinguish between these. Thanks Psychotic.
 
sixpartseven said:
No one ever said it's ok to shoot with it. In fact, if you are going to be IVing diphenhydramine containing pills, Benadryl is the last brand you'd want to use. Sleepinal would be your best choice, but I think even that has talc in it.

It's not ok to shoot, but people who are determined to do it are going to do it, so we have to help them by giving them proper information on how to stay safe doing it. That's the whole point of BL: "Drugs aren't good for you, but here's how to stay as safe as possible."
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Yeah, sleepinal has talc in it. And there's so much god damn powder in that shit it's like I have to dump a gallon of water in it to separate out and float to the bottom.

Benadryl's easier.

My thing is I don't use benadryl every time I do it, I'd just like to know how to better prep this shit.

The thread that mentioned it didn't go into too much detail.
 
know what really pisses me off? at work, when i have a dose under my tongue (usually 4mg at a time, crushed to gritty/sandy bits), and a phone call comes thru for me. gotta talk & swallow that nasty shit... it's not so bad now that my avg cost per pill is lower but seriously, at 5-10 bucks a pill it fuckin hurts.

i tried putting my HOLD light on when dosing but the boss wasn't too keen on it, on account of it forces HIM to do some work if the customers can't get thru to me. so i try to talk and keep it under there, which just makes me sound like a goddamn retard or i have to repeat everything anyway and just waste MORE...

yeah no point here really, just buzzed with the Captain and Jack and felt like sharing, you're welcome, kbye.
 
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