Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[Suboxone]

Opiates, at least for me and my friends, always gave us a "salty tooth", lol. Anything salty would disappear in seconds... it tasted sooooo good and really hit the spot!

 

[Oxymorphone]

^does your tolerance really noticeably go back down after just a couple weeks on subs? it seems to take forever for mine to come back down to a reasonable level.

i suppose it's different for everyone but i've been off hydros for 13 days and i doubt i would have any lower of a tolerance if i were to eat some today.

Yeah even after a week it goes down a lot but I don't use for more than a week straight anf this was the first full 7 day opiateb inge,

 

[Oxymorphone]

The real fun is that I will be switching to suboxone after thar massive binge starting in about 15 minutes and doing a rapid transition. .1mg doses every 10 minutes or so and I should get any precipitated withdrawal. I've done it many times before on this short notice but not quite after using this much so i think I'll take smaller .1 or so doses instead of my usual .3-.4mg starting point when doing a rapid bupe transition.

 

[cj]

^^
Why are you doing such a quick transition? you could just wait for withdrawls to begin then take the suboxone eliminating any possibility of withdraw

 

[stuckinaloop]

yeah sounds like a terrible idea

 

[Selfmeditaker]

got my question answered!

 

[Georgie25]

hey ya'll, I have a quick ? that I know is prolly all over this thread (this thread is awesome! Very very informative) but I have limited cpu access atm. My ? is if my 1st sub appt is 2marow at 4:00pm, when should have I have stopped taking any kind of opiates today? Is there a specific time it *Must* be done by or is there a range or window etc.?? So basiclly when should I have stopped taking oxycontin when my 1st sub appt is 2marow at 4;00pm in the afteronoon.?? Thanks in advance!!

Stop so that by the time u get there u're in moderate w/ds. 24 hours seems to be the normal for most people.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Capt. H, I know you have a lot of experience, any input here?

Chocolates have always been a favorite of mine, but they are more desirable on buprenorphine.

I am pretty fit though so eating chocolate here and there for me isn't bad at all.

As long as you get plenty of exercise, eating some chocolate/cookies/sweets here and there isn't a bad thing.

I am not 100% sure about chocolate and its effects, but I have a feeling it has something to do with endorphins.

i was at an inpatient rehab recently and several of the other dopeheads were straight up eating sugar out of the sugar packets by the coffee machine.... i guess just as an activity that reminds them of the heroin high? i never felt the urge to do that myself, though.

ROFL!!!

I do that sometimes (but ONLY with brown sugar). White sugar is nasty IMO. That's really funny though.

now, i only ask this because i saw one erowid report saying that taking suboxone and acid had apparently nullified the lsd..... but does that have any validity to it?? will suboxone somehow prevent acid from doing its thing??

Zero validity. I've tripped on LSD very hard since being on Suboxone. Suboxone cannot "nullify" acid. Whoever said that on erowid must have gotten degraded/bunk 'acid'.

i tend to think no, cus i can't imagine why from a chemical standpoint. plus, i've done heroin on acid countless times, and the experience was far from nullified. and i mean, the guy who wrote that report could easily have just gotten bunk acid. it happens.

Yeah I've done acid on heroin too. There's no pharmacological reason why LSD would not be effective.

If you used *too much* suboxone (10x - 20x as much as you would normally take) then the buprenorphine *might* spill into other receptors other than the opiate ones (and the other receptors that it already effects, like ORL1)...but I tend to think you would be experiencing negative side effects from so much buprenorphine, and wanting to trip acid on top of such negative side effects would probably render a bad trip. So if Suboxone prevents you from doing acid, wait to take acid until you're on a *much* lower dose. It definitely works, no questions asked Using buprenorphine again while on acid also doesn't lessen the effects at all.

Opiates, at least for me and my friends, always gave us a "salty tooth", lol. Anything salty would disappear in seconds... it tasted sooooo good and really hit the spot!

Same case here. We'd eat a lot of salt and vinegar chips (Utz brand = wonderful).

 

[jackie jones]

How quickly does tolerance develop with suboxone? I am getting high as fuck off 8mg, and hope the feeling lasts. I may not ever want to dose again with morphine if this is the way maintenance feels.

 

[Pegasus]

^It's not terribly fast IME, but the dose you are taking does seem to cause it quicker from most people's descriptions. Me and a few others on here went on for a year or longer at doses of 1-2mg or less, still getting great effects!

 

[jackie jones]

^Nice.

 

[Oxymorphone]

So fuck it I'm done screwing around with dope and opiates and need to get on real maintenance. I was on 2mg maintenance for about a month but it made me crave highs and relapse and for the past month and a half I have been switching between heroin, fentanyl, dillaudid, and suboxone and I can't take fucking around anymore it has been making my life unmanageable.

After doing a lot of heroin on weds morning I transitioned slowly to bupe around 4pm after last dosing at 8am and eventually got on 8mg but I was still nodding off and doped up feeling. I took 16mg today and I still am getting witdrawal side effects like I'm withdrawaling from dope. Mainly it is sleeping 16 hours+ a day and sweating a ton. Also for the amount of bupe I've taken my pupils look like I'm in the middle of WD and are absolutely HUGE in dim light like I just took E or mephedrone.

Right now I'm finishing another 8mg for 24mg total sublingual today. I know my dosing is not typical since I did a gradual dosing to avoid any withdrawal or precipitated WD and I know I am sort of a guinea pig in that area so maybe these mixed effects are normal for what I did/ am doing. It's just a little odd what I'm going through right now since there isn't much info on it or other people's experiences doing similar things with rapid transition to bupe.

It definitely beats being in withdrawal for 24-72 hours before going on bupe or precipitated WD so I don't see why they don't just use this approach clinically. I mean for suboxone induction if they just gave people .1mg doses every 10 minutes they could induct anyone regardless of last usage.

 

[AnAngelsDeath]

Taking Somas with Suboxone ?

SWIM took an 8mg Suboxone almost 5 hours ago, and about 20min ago SWIM took 2 of the 325mg Soma's, should SWIM be worried about this, SWIM has a pretty strong Tolerance, and Weighs about 175lbs. SWIM has takin soma's and suboxone before, but cant remember what the effect was cause it was sooo long ago. but obviously SWIM lived, so is SWIM ok with what SWIM took today/tonight ?

 

[lifewonder24]

3 years subutex and I want off. HELP

Hi
My name is James and I have spent hrs and hrs reading these blogs looking for some kind of magic answer that will get me off and through this without having to live in HELL for 3 weeks to a month. I am 22 years old and I have spent the last 3 years of my life on Subutex and before that Suboxone. I had a minor hydro addiction for a couple years that lead me to an idiot Dr. that prescribed some miracle drug called Suboxone. I have been on ever since. I have worked down from 32mg and I am currently at 3mg a day of subutex and I plan on being totally off by the 15th of this month (February). My Dr. tells me that I will be on it the rest of my life, but I dont want to, I want my life back, I want my senses back, I want my soul back. I need to make it this time. Can anyone please help? Is there anything that helps the withdrawals even a little? I have researched things like Conidine, Naltrexone, or Requip for the unbearable RLS but my Dr wont help me get off so I am open to anything and everything.
What about weed? does it make it easier or worse?

 

[Oxymorphone]

Hi
My name is James and I have spent hrs and hrs reading these blogs looking for some kind of magic answer that will get me off and through this without having to live in HELL for 3 weeks to a month. I am 22 years old and I have spent the last 3 years of my life on Subutex and before that Suboxone. I had a minor hydro addiction for a couple years that lead me to an idiot Dr. that prescribed some miracle drug called Suboxone. I have been on ever since. I have worked down from 32mg and I am currently at 3mg a day of subutex and I plan on being totally off by the 15th of this month (February). My Dr. tells me that I will be on it the rest of my life, but I dont want to, I want my life back, I want my senses back, I want my soul back. I need to make it this time. Can anyone please help? Is there anything that helps the withdrawals even a little? I have researched things like Conidine, Naltrexone, or Requip for the unbearable RLS but my Dr wont help me get off so I am open to anything and everything.
What about weed? does it make it easier or worse?

Clonidine, benzos, and weed will all definitely help. I find it strange that people consider being on bupe like being a slave to some horrible drug. For me at least it has no noticeable side effects and feels just like I'm normal. I would suggest not having such an ambitious tapering goal. Try to slowly go down by .5 every week then when you get to 1mg try .25mg increments. There is no reason to rush it and make it painful. Don't tell your doctor about your tapering plan if he is giving you shit about getting off but if you want to be off it in less than 2 weeks you will bee in for some pain.

I hardly feel that bupe sucks away your senses, life, and soul as you put it. That's what opiate addiction dose, suboxone breaths life back into you if anything. I made the mistake of trying to taper off it on my own too early and relapsed. I would rather take a shitty tasting tablet every day than have WDs or cravings and be able to relapse.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

How quickly does tolerance develop with suboxone? I am getting high as fuck off 8mg, and hope the feeling lasts. I may not ever want to dose again with morphine if this is the way maintenance feels.

Using 8mg is a lot, especially for 0 tolerance.

Try using smaller doses possibly if you are worried about tolerance.

*lol* I know where you're coming from.

^It's not terribly fast IME, but the dose you are taking does seem to cause it quicker from most people's descriptions. Me and a few others on here went on for a year or longer at doses of 1-2mg or less, still getting great effects!

Yeah, I personally have probably had 0.5mg to 0.8mg throughout the day in 0.1mg increments.

It definitely beats being in withdrawal for 24-72 hours before going on bupe or precipitated WD so I don't see why they don't just use this approach clinically. I mean for suboxone induction if they just gave people .1mg doses every 10 minutes they could induct anyone regardless of last usage.

Precipitated withdrawal.

This, and Suboxone is instantly relieving when you take it in the middle of WD.

Finally, if you have an adverse reaction to Suboxone itself (which is rare) then, by being in the middle of WD they will know it's not just the onset of the real WD (probably sparked on by precipitated wd, or possibly not).

I would prefer to come in 2 and a half days sick for Suboxone.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

le merged

and

I'm not answering your question until you edit or repost without "SWIM". We don't do swim here. I don't have the time to decipher what that means.

Just say "I" even if you have a friend and you legitimately call him "SWIM" for whatever reason.

 

[BaybeX]

Hi
My name is James and I have spent hrs and hrs reading these blogs looking for some kind of magic answer that will get me off and through this without having to live in HELL for 3 weeks to a month. I am 22 years old and I have spent the last 3 years of my life on Subutex and before that Suboxone. I had a minor hydro addiction for a couple years that lead me to an idiot Dr. that prescribed some miracle drug called Suboxone. I have been on ever since. I have worked down from 32mg and I am currently at 3mg a day of subutex and I plan on being totally off by the 15th of this month (February). My Dr. tells me that I will be on it the rest of my life, but I dont want to, I want my life back, I want my senses back, I want my soul back. I need to make it this time. Can anyone please help? Is there anything that helps the withdrawals even a little? I have researched things like Conidine, Naltrexone, or Requip for the unbearable RLS but my Dr wont help me get off so I am open to anything and everything.
What about weed? does it make it easier or worse?

As Oxymorphone says, this goal is a bit ambitious. 3mgs is still a decent dose even though you said you worked your way down from 32mgs.. I can confidently say that there is VERY few addicts out there that would EVER need 32mgs of Suboxone a day and that high of a dose is especially not needed for a Hydrocodone habit.
Anyway, I would try something like this:
[Days 1-3] 2mg
[Days 4-6] 1.5mg
[Days 5-8] 1mg
[Days 9-15] 0.5mg
[Days 16-21] 0.25mg
You also might want to try splitting up your doses so you don't wake up in w/d in the middle of the night. I think a 21 day 'quick-taper' is a usual recommendation from an addiction doc.. I could be wrong though. This would be MUCH less painful than trying to get off by the 15th as well.

As for the drugs you listed, yes they will all help. Most people on here say that you can go get Clonodine or Requip from just about any doctor (try a walk-in clinic, maybe?). As for weed.. I've heard conflicting answers from users. It works for some, it makes things worse for others. I suppose you will have to figure that out on your own. IME, it helped take my mind off of getting high on my DOC because I was high on another drug. I guess that works. Lol.

Hope that helps. Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

 

[Oxymorphone]

All right I took 32mg suboxone in the last 24 hours and it's 44 hours since my last heroin dose. Physically I feel fine except a little fatigued and the sleep sweats but I can't get over my MASSIVE dilated pupils whenever I look in the mirror. It's like I'm in opiate withdrawal but it's being masked by the bupe so only a few minor symptoms show through. Does anyone have any theories on this? I'm not complaining really it just perplexes me, if the buprenorphine replaced the other opiates and opioids on my receptors with itself why would some of the WD signs still be showing through?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

if the buprenorphine replaced the other opiates and opioids on my receptors with itself why would some of the WD signs still be showing through?

Because it's been 44 since your last heroin dose.

If you used opiates heavily enough during your last run, it is possible you raised your tolerance via upregulation of mu-opioid receptors.

Replacing your endogenous endorphins with buprenorphine completely isn't enough I would guess.

It would've been better if you waited for the natural WD process to come first IMO, that's just my 2 cents.