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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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asouthern, keep being strong dude!!!!! I can feel you through your post. I understand how rough it is but you seem really strong. Kick it in the ass man!!!! Only thing I'd like to say is that I think you could have been easier on yourself by weaning down with the suboxen. With your outstanding attitude I feel you could have been off of opiates with a hell of alot less withdrawals withing 1 month. GOOD LUCK STAY STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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asouthern, keep being strong dude!!!!! I can feel you through your post. I understand how rough it is but you seem really strong. Kick it in the ass man!!!! Only thing I'd like to say is that I think you could have been easier on yourself by weaning down with the suboxen. With your outstanding attitude I feel you could have been off of opiates with a hell of alot less withdrawals withing 1 month. GOOD LUCK STAY STRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thanks a lot, man. i appreciate it.

i should have done it differently, no doubt. i was somewhat misinformed on what suboxone was when i took it those few days after quitting a 300mg hydro habit cold turkey. so yeah i regret the way i went about quitting but here i am 9 days after my last 4mg dose of bupe and although it has been one of the more difficult things to deal with in my life i also realize how much worse it could be.

today just seems particularly bad for some reason. not the chills, goosebumps, insomnia, or anything like that. just the overall lethargy and mental desperation to feel better again. i know i'm getting closer and closer to being out of the woods but each day that i have to drag my body around all day the more it wears on me mentally.

thanks again for the help and support.
 
Not sure if this has been asked, haven't seen it in this thread. Anyway, anyone get intense cravings for sweets (chocolate, candy, gum, lollipops, etc...) on Suboxone?

I don't really care for chocolate that much but I've never eaten so much of it in my life until lately, hard candy too, and Starburst/Twizzlers. The other night I was watching TV at a friend's house and was legit pissed off at myself most of the night for not bringing snacks.

I'm trying to keep myself busy physically to keep up with this because I'm so scared of gaining weight, I'm at a normal weight now and would like to stay that way. I've been getting weighed every week when I go back to the clinic and so far have actually lost 3lbs. As long as it doesn't affect my weight I'm good.

Anyone know why the cravings for sweets happen... what's going on with my body/mind?
 
^I'm thinking it has to do with sugar triggering the body's reward system, but I'm not sure about this. It would also make sense if certain opiates cause lowered blood sugar, or maybe hypersensitivity to sugar? I think I will search for the answer, because I'm intrigued now!

Edit- Looks to me like it's both the inducing of lowered sugar levels (hypoglycemia) and the effect on the reward system, though probably more of the former.
 
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i actually began eating candy a lot more often when i started using opiates in general. i was never the kind of person to go into a store and buy a bag of candy. not since i was maybe 11 at least. but the last year or so i've had cravings for sour candy that are indescribable. i never even related it to my other habits so i'm glad you brought it up, lol.

edit: and right now i'd do just about anything to have any kind of appetite.. i forced smoothie king down for lunch (swapping one expensive opiate habit for an expensive smoothie habit, i know) and had a banana for breakfast. i need to eat better in order to feel better but i hate having to force food down my throat when i normally have a very healthy appetite.
 
Thanks BollWeevil and asouthern... I'm really interested in this too BollWeevil, I really didn't have a clue as to what to type into Google though to search for it. So if you find any good sites/info could you PM them to me :)

That's the exact way I am asouthern! I never just sit and eat candy, nevermind a bag of Starburst... I bought a 1lb package of Twizzlers at the grocery store the other day. I had such a craving, then bought a bag of York Peppermint Patty's, and Hershey Miniature Assorted candy bars, package of Trident Watermelon Splash-something or other. It's so ridiculous.

Surprisingly as I said I've lost 3lbs, I've been so paranoid about eating all this candy that I've been walking more. Not that I'm even overweight, I'm normal, but all of my family is overweight/obese, not that I personally care about any of them but it's something I never want for myself. I don't want to end up trading in one addiction for another.

I know what you mean about that appetite. Then sometimes I feel starving, I get the food in front of me, few bites later I'm done. I have so many leftovers in my fridge at all times. Funny you mention the smoothies, that's all I can get down sometimes.

Capt. H, I know you have a lot of experience, any input here? :)
 
No, lie... being on bupe has turned me into a candy FIEND!

Its really gotten out of hand, how much sugar i eat in a day :(

I also, would love to know the reason behind this.
 
i'm sorry if this is not the correct forum for this question, but is there any reason i should avoid stimulants (adderall) after physical withdrawals are essentially gone? i tried it this afternoon and i was very encouraged by the way it turned my mood around and actually motivated me to.. move.

i've never been into many stimulants, had a couple year span where i did coke once a month or so max, but i like the way it has helped my mood and in particular how it has taken away the constant thoughts of opiates. i wouldn't have taken it while going through the hurt of physical withdrawal as i imagine the added energy would make the restlessness unbearable (as if they weren't already!) but now that i'm 12 days off hydros (and 9 days off suboxone) i feel like i've been through the physical pains and now it's primarily mental.

i need to get out and exercise more (i did quite a bit when on hydros, believe it or not.. it actually made me want to work out and run more than before i started my habit) but the lethargic feelings from PAWS has made even the simplest tasks seem so difficult.

in general though, my state of mind this evening is much better than it was this morning when i was severely depressed and on the verge of tears at points.
 
I sublingualed 8mg off baseline about an hour ago. This is my second experience with suboxone. My DOC is Morphine, so this is a different high.

I have not dosed in two weeks, so I am actually nodding pretty hard from 8mg.

I could see how this could keep my cravings at bay, and soon they are beginning a clinic out here in the boondocks. This could really help me when I begin uni in the fall.
 
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i can't say why, but i know opiates totally bring on a sweet tooth.

i normally hate candy, makes me shudder actually (too damn sweet), except on dope i always want a milky way or sour patch kids or some other such crap.

i was at an inpatient rehab recently and several of the other dopeheads were straight up eating sugar out of the sugar packets by the coffee machine.... i guess just as an activity that reminds them of the heroin high? i never felt the urge to do that myself, though.

edit: oh, i got a question here too

now, i only ask this because i saw one erowid report saying that taking suboxone and acid had apparently nullified the lsd..... but does that have any validity to it?? will suboxone somehow prevent acid from doing its thing??

i tend to think no, cus i can't imagine why from a chemical standpoint. plus, i've done heroin on acid countless times, and the experience was far from nullified. and i mean, the guy who wrote that report could easily have just gotten bunk acid. it happens.

but yeah, i wondered if there was any reason for that. i figure if that were to happen, it would have to be because of the naloxone, since, like i said, i know opiates + acid totally works.
 
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[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Suboxone saved my life, but I am still having a lot of trouble going over 24 hours without at least taking 2 mg dose. Does anyone know how much more i could ween off? or is there absolutely no way of avoiding withdrawal without having to take it for the rest of my shitty life? because for some reason for the year or so I've been on Suboxone i thought the point of it was not only so i don't use anymore but also to kick heroin without any sickness.. fuck.[/COLOR]
 
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i can't say why, but i know opiates totally bring on a sweet tooth.

i normally hate candy, makes me shudder actually (too damn sweet), except on dope i always want a milky way or sour patch kids or some other such crap.
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lol sour patch kids are what i always want. i'll go to the store and buy the biggest bag they have and devour it all in one day.
 
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[COLOR="DarkGreen"]Suboxone saved my life, but I am still having a lot of trouble going over 24 hours without at least taking 2 mg dose. Does anyone know how much more i could ween off? or is there absolutely no way of avoiding withdrawal without having to take it for the rest of my shitty life? because for some reason for the year or so I've been on Suboxone i thought the point of it was not only so i don't use anymore but also to kick heroin without any sickness.. fuck.[/COLOR]
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if you look through this thread a bit more you will find suggestions from people on how to wean as far down as .5mg or even less. just a nibble of a tab.

i don't think there's any way you are going to avoid withdrawals completely but they will be less intense the more you are able to wean yourself. however, the length of withdrawals may be longer especially since you have been taking suboxone for a year.

i'm not an expert on this topic, i'm just reiterating what a lot of people on this forum have claimed.

good luck.
 
although i didn't sleep very well last night, i feel surprisingly great this morning. no aches, i got to work 2 hours earlier than normal, mentally i'm feeling much stronger. this is a very good feeling :)

i may crash early in the afternoon but i'm going to enjoy the feeling while it lasts! finally some relief.
 
Wow, tonight is my last night/morning mostly I guess, of other opiate use. My tolerance has shot up and I'm going back on bupe for two weeks minimum, maybe permanently if I dose up higher to avoid craving and ability to break though while taking low doses.

Anyway, this is what I did so far this morning http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=486892

Lots of opiates and maybe this just might be my last binge before switching over. I know everyone says that, but who knows I could do it if I was dedicated and maybe 2 weeks on 8mg suboxone will change my perspective on things.
 
^does your tolerance really noticeably go back down after just a couple weeks on subs? it seems to take forever for mine to come back down to a reasonable level.

i suppose it's different for everyone but i've been off hydros for 13 days and i doubt i would have any lower of a tolerance if i were to eat some today.
 
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