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Stop bashing cops

OK now I can post usefully lol. This guy isn't a friend but I don't totally dismiss the possibility if I were around him more. He is a teacher and actually quite brilliant. Have a talk with him and see lol. J/K

As for Bush, I think more people voted against Kerry than for Bush. Did you read my post as to why with the Bush and Kerry trains? Did you also see how many electronic voting machines gave him many extra votes 'accidentally' and they were round numbers (I think multiples of ten) in the hundreds or thousands. That seems a little suspcious or am I the only one that thinks that here? You may be right about Bush and maybe I wasn't clear enough. He does what he wants but that's mostly what his Father wants or taught him so he could finish Sr.'s work. He also does what he thinks he wants which may be what he has been suaded or briefed into doing by the commanders that he meets with. In a way, we both said the same thing, but that is proof enough of how vague I can be as you didn't see what I was thinking. Totally my fault lol. What I was saying though, to backtrack, about you probably being right, was those things what you were saying in regards to a puppet government? If so then yes I agree.
 
OK. This thread is getting way off-topic, i'll leave it here for tonight and then i'll try and figure what to do with it tomorrow.

i'm trying to figure out where to send it. As it stands, the thread could be split and sent to several different forums :\

But the best solution that i see to save this thread and its continunity is to archive it (if this is what you want, let me know by either PM or posting in here).

Last call for your thoughts on the subject matter at hand (and thats "Stop Bashing Cops" - in case you got forgot) :)

And you had better make them good if you want me to archive it :X(;):D)
 
Fallen1 said:
Lacey K, what jobs have you had? When you went to get interviewed, did you speak in ebonics, or did you drop it?

If you dropped it, why? If you didn't, did you get the job?

what do you mean ''dropped it'' what, you also think ppl with french accents just ''drop it'' when they go into a job interview or somethin?

Do you really wanna know, or you just think youre gonna make a point when i say that i didnt change and didnt get the job, or that i just started talking english professor speech and got it, like you think im gonna say....buttttt sorry

Ive worked at a store where i was the cashier video rental person and deli girl, then after awhile worked the bakery in the morning too but i quit cuz the boss kept hitting on my and then on valentines day he grabbed me and kissed me

Then i worked at a bagel store, did the sandwich bagel makin cashiier shit, but that was part time on top of the job i got now. I lost that one after a few months because ( even tho i called and told them i wasnt gonnna be able to show up and i told em like a week in advance) i couldnt get a ride to work so they found someone new.

But right now im workin at a small newspaper, been there for a year. and soon Rite Aid too

i lay out the pages w/adobe indesign every week.

Once upon a time a long time ago.......
i got the job because i saw a ad in the paper for graphic help wanted and the 1 year of highschool i had was at a tech school for Commercial Arts. I been into art and shit my whole life and i taught myself illustrator and photoshop when i downloaded em off kazaa. so ive used the shit since i was about 13 so theres not alot about it that i dont know

i spent a few yrs after i dropped out playin with lots of different graphix programs cuz i was able to get em for free off the internet. so when i was home all day id fuck around with art and some of the shit in my gallery here on BL (the Smacks thing) is from that time

Anyways when i saw the ad in the help wanted i just turned 17 a month before.
i went in (with a do rag and a pair of tims on no less, cuz you know nobody will ever get hired who talks funny and looks like one of those....."GHETTO PEOPLE") and told them everything i knew about and was good at, in the same way i always talk minues the cuss words like "and shit" or "this fuckin guy"

and they called me back, i started there in march 04. since then ive had other papers call and ask if i want to work for them cuz they seen my photo layouts and other shit ive done but i dont wanna get deeper into the shit than i already am cuz its not what i wanna do any longer than the time it takes 2 find a new job but anyways

the boss says im ''hard to work with'' and ''rough around the edges'' and bitches at me about that sometimes
but she said she dont care in the end, because everybody had a up and down side, the up side with me is i work fast as hell and do reall creative shit when it comes to the photo spreads and the down side is that i really aint cut out for office work so i aint ''professional'' enough but you know what i dont give a fuck
I got my place there and everybody knows me and jsut accepts that Im me, cuz they cant bitch about me because i get my work done good and fast and dont cause any trouble there
I also dont give a fuck because i hate workin in an office and i cant wait to get a less uptight job but this is the only place i can really get a ride to right now

Oh yea
For Your Info......
Ebonics is "he be there" instead of he is there"
ebonics is "He be tellin me" instead of 'he told me" and so on.
an actual spcific way of speakin w/grammar and rules just ike regular english but specific to the way some people talk
it was invented to teach inner city black kids in a (fucked up and prolly misguided) attempt to make learning easier to them w/the language some of them were familiar with

Sayin ''aint'' and ''yall' dont mean its Ebonics so get your shit straight like i said 30,40 times before, how i talk aint a big deal to anybody in real life so why yall harpin on it like youre gonna make a diffrence? if the only peeps givin me shit about it is a bunch of college ecstasy users on a message board then obviously it aint a problem ;)

i spoke my piece now you know a little about where im comin from but
I dont understand what makes you spend so much time tryina comfront me on a message board, what you tryin to accomplish? do you think youre makin any sort of point? or teachin me somethin? im curious. you always post shit arguing about shit i said almost like you follow me around from thread to thread to try and make fun of me or somthin

i know youre jsut one of the bitches from the lounge under a new name
i dont forget the comments you left me in my gallery like "DONT MAKE WAYNE BRADY SHOOT A BITCH" and "UGLY WIGGER TRASH" i aint gotta throw personal disses into this shit, why you gotta? i dont care about YOU or what you wanna do im arguing with what youre SAYIN. so why you makin this personal instead of a discussion about shit that aint about me and just about what i say. i dont know what youre gettin at but drop it already :)

Aight i spoke my piece,
Have a killa day homegirl you my chick for real.
 
What the fuck are you talking about? I spend so much time trying to confront you? I spared you two lines to illustrate the point that often how we say things effects the way they are received. I imagined you would face a great deal of difficulty convincing an employer to hire you given the way you speak. You haven't, fine, good for you and good for them. I don't really care about your boss sexually harassing you, how self-educated you are, your work habits, your reputation at work, why you left certain jobs, or any of the other random shit you chose to write about. I didn't even insult you, I asked you a question. What is so hard about answering it civilly I don't know, but I can see why your boss would describe you as hard to work with. I asked the question because, as you admit in this post, the way you speak isnt professional, and for some people, if you don't speak professionally they aren't interested in what you have to say.

Do I think French people drop their accent? Do you not understand the difference between an accent and a conscious word choice? You CHOOSE to use the words you do, a person does not generally CHOOSE their accent. Great analogy, that really demonstrated the brilliance of your self-education.

Harping on it? Lay off the martyr act already. My question was immediately following a discussion on the importance of perception and presentation of viewpoints, and as someone who presents their viewpoint differently, you provided a convenient example.

Nice lesson on Ebonics. What the fuck does it have to do with the price of tea in China? Did my usage of the word Ebonics somehow indicate I was unaware of what it was? I know its a specific way of speaking, or I wouldnt have used it as a description of the way you speak. If I could be bothered I'd pull up your whinge about how unfair the lounge is and point it out to you, or any of your other older posts before you decided to use marginally better grammar.

Show me the posts I've made arguing about shit you've said? I took the piss out of you once, because it entertained me. Where is the evidence of this vendetta I'm supposedly subjecting you to? What I was trying to accomplish was to point out that in certain situations we often have to speak in certain ways to be effective. I ENJOY the way you speak, it entertains me. Why would I want you to change it?

I've only posted in about 10 threads, and most of them you aren't even in. Most of my posts are in this thread and one on evolutionary biology in SLR. I was having a discussion with bleedingheartcommie, trippedoutkid, and others, long before you started commenting. How the fuck am I following you around?

What the fuck are you talking about comments in your gallery? Why do you think I have a vendetta against you? I haven't seen your gallery, am not interested in seeing your gallery, and wouldn't waste my time commenting. Also, have a look at my writing style and even the post where I mocked your style of writing in the earlier DC thread. If I was going to comment, you think I'd do it all in caps, in a moronic way? My comments are generally thought out and I'm willing to defend them, and if I want to mock you I dont need to post some self-evident stupid shit to make my point. For christs sakes, I had people believing I was on your side, I put thought into my insults. WHERE HAVE I PERSONALLY DISSED YOU? Find a comment where I "diss" you, please, and quote it to me. I follow my arguments through, I used your way of speaking as a timely example in a wider debate, where have I made this personal?

Get off the fucking cross, I'm not on some crusade against you. Seriously, find me some examples of where I've followed you around? Give me some examples of where I've tried to confront you! I mocked the way you choose to speak once, as I don't think it enhances communication, which even in ghetto speak doesnt translate to spending time trying to confront you.

You think I'm someone from the lounge under a new name? Stop sniffing petrol and assuming you are the centre of the universe, and read my fucking posts. You think someone is going to spend 3 pages arguing evolutionary biology in SLR under an assumed name? You think someone would even bother going to the effort of creating a new name to insult you? Why would they do that, by your own admission they do it under their own names just fine. Talk about delusions of grandeur. And anyway, which one of the "bitches from the lounge" would I be? Seriously? Which one of them uses anything remotely close to my writing style, and why would one of them make 76 posts, of which about 4 refer to you, under a different name? I know 10 year olds who are better grounded and can argue more intelligently than you. My dog argues better than you do because at least when he barks its not about some paranoid theory that people who have openly "dissed" you to your face would create a separate account, make bulk posts in it completely unrelated to you, for no gain. Honestly, about half the time I think you contribute a lot to these forums, and the other half you type some of the stupidest shit I have ever seen. Are you going heavy on the tweek? Is this post at the end of a 3 day bender? For your sake I hope it is, or you really need to get that persecution complex out of your system.
 
And with that, the interesting conversation some of us were having about whether to attack the symptoms or the cause is officially dead. I'm sorry to have aided the derailing of this thread, because it gave me a chance to have a reasoned debate with some of the more logical posters here. KemicalBurn, when you do whatever it is you decide to do with this thread feel free to delete any of my offtopic shit, I wouldn't have wasted people's times but some (and by some I mean all) of those accusations were just wild.
 
TrippedOutKid said:
Subdefy I can understand how it can be more difficult to follow if someone speaks differently than anyone else but why would you take them any less seriously? It seems like you have been raised to have a predjudice somewhere in your environment but then again that's the American Way! :D What bullshit! That's why they drill you so fucking hard to write formally all the time and to all write the same. There's a little communism right there. If you do not write like Shakespeare or Emily Dickonson etc than what you write is not good. At least, this is how I percieved a lot of my english classes. Writing evolves and diversifies man. :) America is much like a dictatorship. At the least Bush is a dictator and I dare anyone to phrase it any nicer.

I said "people" if you read my post. Your jumping to assumptions. Do you really think an employer wants someone at his business who speaks as lacey k does? In a society where prejudice and discrimination thrives employers don't want a 9th grade dropout who speaks ebonics speaking to their customers if it's a reputable company. Could you imagine a white conservative who is unable to follow ebonics on a phone call with that employee? That's not exactly going to work.
 
Off Original Topic, but I think it's relevant to the direction of this thread.....

I think what is being discussed here is the difference between conversational grammar and proper grammer (excuse the title, but that is what it's called). The other issue is Code-Switching.. a linguistic term which basically says that we all engage in different patterns of speech/dialect depending on the audience. Sometimes this is to create bonding, establish identity, (sometimes it's simply a natural way of speaking for people who are just learning a language example: you may hear two arabs talking in arabic, then suddenly you hear the word "refridgerator." It's because there is no word for that in arabic) and at times it (code-switching) is used to exclude outsiders (this list is just a fragment of the complete theory). I have always encouraged my students to speak as they wish with their friends, family, etc. I have, however, stressed the importance of proper grammer when one is dealing with rhetorical debate, expository writing, and discussions which involve multiple people from varying backgrounds. Language is a tool... one that must be refined. If you fail to grasp or adhere the basic structure and rules of grammar, you are definitely placing yourself at a disadvantage in society at large. This leads to misunderstanding, racism, muddled rhetoric, and ultimately anger and retribution (which we are seeing here). When I am with my Native American friends and family, we engage (sometimes) in a specialized dialect (slang). But I would never teach a class in that manner. I may have a section in the class that deals with multiple dialects/slang, but that is for diversity purposes, and to show how diverse language can be. I am certainly not picking sides here, both ways of imparting information have their pluses and minuses. Someone who only speaks in the highest form of grammer (meaning, exceptionally academic) can be just as alienating as someone who speaks in a specialized slang. BTW-- code-switching is not a copout, it is a cultural phenomenon. You're not bowing to "whitey" because you are speaking grammatically correct... you're simply using a form of language that he/she may be able to understand to make your point. It would be ideal to find a middle-ground in which no one person (or group) felt that they were compromising their integrity. This is just an observation I am making, take it for what it's worth... my opinion. Sorry for the length of this post. Good luck to all of us in being understood, it's really what it's all about. And.... Peace to my Skins on the Rez! ;)
 
subdefy your naievety is so cute
you are right. the world IS exactly like they tell u in intro to professional development class or whatever kind of program they have in your high school. you cant get a job without a college degree, and nobody will ever hire you unless you act and talk white collar. im just makin up everything i said about my job.

Fallen1, what can i say.
Im dyin for your acceptance, im signing up for english as a second language classes to try and win you over. (because the way i talk is so far from REAL english.)

so is there anything else i change about myself to make me fit into your idea of how a person should be?

anything, anythin at all just tell me and i'll do it. im full of unending admiration for you....i would die happy if only i could be like you,
Maybe if i try hard enough to talk good someday you will accept me

til then, suck a fat dick
 
who said I based anything off my intro to prefssional development class (which I don't even have)? Nice job jumping to conclusions. I'm naive? You think you've had it soooo hard growing up and everyone elses problems fail in comparasion and for that you try to "speak ya own mind on da world ya heard." You think you can truly succeed in america by speaking ebonics because it's the way you speak? Would you speak to a police officer the way you speak to your friends if your trying to get out of a situation in which there is a personal bias agaisnt you?

suck a fat dick? ah yes jump to homosexuality so we'll all get offended since we're so uncomfortable with our own sexuality 8(
 
why must people concern themselves with how a person speaks/carries themselves? grow the fuck up and ignore her if you don't like what she says.
 
subdefy said:
suck a fat dick? ah yes jump to homosexuality so we'll all get offended since we're so uncomfortable with our own sexuality 8(

i wasnt talking to you sweetie
 
lol Didn't offend me, which pretty much spellls out my sexuality. I tried to stay on topic by going deeper to the root of why cops are how they are and this in a way is the same. You shouldn't have to change yourself to please others but be who you are truly happy being. The cops and politicians don't give you respect sometimes (not all of them are like this) because you aren't a way that is pleasing to them and then they go off on you in one way or another. lol Anyhow I thought your remark was more funny and not offending lacey k so no worries. I just hope this thread isn't destroyed but it might be a good idea to start a new thread about speaking and writing to continue it elsewhere and go back to talking about cops and how they are controlled psychologically and with a mob mentallity. We need to do a little deprogramming of our cops and as a whole, our society. Of course there will be some who are dependant as I said and aren't ready for that or to be stripped of their beliefs and some who might fight to defend them, violently even. We live in a dangerous world.
 
Fallen1 said:
Lacey K, what jobs have you had? When you went to get interviewed, did you speak in ebonics, or did you drop it?

If you dropped it, why? If you didn't, did you get the job?

just cuz shit happens doesn't make it right.
 
KemicalBurn said:
OK. This thread is getting way off-topic, i'll leave it here for tonight and then i'll try and figure what to do with it tomorrow.

i'm trying to figure out where to send it. As it stands, the thread could be split and sent to several different forums :\

But the best solution that i see to save this thread and its continunity is to archive it (if this is what you want, let me know by either PM or posting in here).

Last call for your thoughts on the subject matter at hand (and thats "Stop Bashing Cops" - in case you got forgot) :)

And you had better make them good if you want me to archive it :X(;):D)

i like this thread for some reason. i say keep it. doesn't matter if it got off topic, cuz it's still on a good topic :-)
 
Yepyepwoah: If you read back a couple pages, I said in those exact words that I didn't tink it was right, just that it existed.

[off-topic - KB]
 
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Oi! :) Whats all this fuss for then? Let's just all calm down more to show our love hearts more. Perhaps lets just all sit down and have a nice cup'o'E. That's it. We're all sharing this planet so let's be our niceness to each-other please a bit more. :)
Us Bluelight Smile Policepeople also have got hearts of love and if you shine, shine like a star then you know love is not far.We work on the same frequency; ie BLUELIGHT that on higher levels of observance are not in separation mode because the cosmic blueprints for humanity work on principles of PLUR.

to quote T.O.K. ;
I just hope this thread isn't destroyed but it might be a good idea to start a new thread about speaking and writing to continue it elsewhere and go back to talking about cops.
I agree with this and I suggest that we speak gracefully to eachother here. Another thread may be started elsewhere regarding grammar.

Back to topic if we could please! :)

I think that all police people can love, and many do show that, and so let us please not fall into a mass generalization of those that work for law and order and peace and justice. For those that use "drugs" as medicinal sacraments how could it be said that you would even be in any violation of the laws of Nature?

One love! one heart!
Let’s get together and feel all right.
Hear the children cryin’ (one love!);
Hear the children cryin’ (one heart!),
Sayin’: give thanks and praise to the lord and I will feel all right;
Sayin’: let’s get together and feel all right. wo wo-wo wo-wo!

Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (one love!);
There is one question I’d really love to ask (one heart!):
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner,
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own beliefs?

One love! what about the one heart? one heart!
What about - ? let’s get together and feel all right
As it was in the beginning (one love!);
So shall it be in the end (one heart!),
All right!
Give thanks and praise to the lord and I will feel all right;
Let’s get together and feel all right.
in the one
bluelight.

www.smilepolice.com
http://www.nativeamericanchurch.com/
 
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Originally posted by yepyepwoah
i like this thread for some reason. i say keep it. doesn't matter if it got off topic, cuz it's still on a good topic :-)


OK. but im keeping an eye on this so everyone be cool and cut back on the ad homs.
 
Im with Subdefy and Fallen1 on this. Speaking in gangsta slang is just terrible your butchering the english language to sound "hardcore".
 
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