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So who likes benzos? El Benzo Threado Spectacularrrr 2nd Edition

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I personally won't buy any generic prescription only drugs that i intend to use recreationaly to save a couple bucks.

My introduction to the world of benzos was primarily diazepam, Valium brand.

It was around this time that "generic" brands were being introduced so naturaly i tried them due to the price saving and the chemists seemed to encourage it.
To my dismay i found generic substitutions don't seem to be as potent as brand name varietys and i've given them a wide berth ever since.

It doesn't happen often but on the few occasions when i've presented my script to the pharmacist for my benzos (damm that's a wonderful feeling) if they can't supply the real deal (my big two are Valium&Serepax) then i'll take my business elsewhere.
 
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I personally won't buy any generic prescription only drugs that i intend to use recreationaly to save a couple bucks.

My introduction to the world of benzos was primarily diazepam, Valium brand.

It was around this time that "generic" brands were being introduced so naturaly i tried them due to the price saving and the chemists seemed to encourage it.
To my dismay i found generic substitutions don't seem to be as potent as brand name varietys and i've given them a wide berth ever since.

It doesn't happen often but on the few occasions when i've presented my script to the pharmacist for my benzos (damm that's a wonderful feeling) if they can't supply the real deal (my big two are Valium&Serepax) then i'll take my business elsewhere.

i think you're letting psychological feelings get in the way. the only distinct differences betweens generic and brand name are prints, colours, fillers and binders. they have a standard to adhere to and can't go jacking you.
 
What is the most potent benzo prescribed in Australia?

My mum is a registered nurse and works in a nursing home and she told me midazolam is used a lot though cant remember what she told me the name of it was though. I remember she mentioned hynodorm(is that midazolam?) and another hypno-something(any ideas?) ill ask her next time I see her. She said they are very common with old people.

Any personal experience on the stronger benzo's would be cool to hear. Im just hoping that I oneday find one of the stronger benzos. But even with valium or xanax, nothing beats them for comedowns(especially meth) and when your not feeling so good mentally and lately I havent been feeling so good mentally and all ive been craving is benzos and heroin :/
 
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2 seizures and one hospitalizaton later i officially HATE xanax , but its sumfin i have to live with for quite a while it seems

now im prescribed 10-12mg a day legit coz of tolerance obviously , i dont feel any effect watsoever ( exept calmness, and it kicks the fuck out of my anxiety wich is main reaon i take it.

it has also boosted my confidence with women around my age a shitload too wich is fuckin awesome ( no i didnt mean underage lil skanks , thats jst wrong and pedo-ish ) i only click with women older than me for some reason unknown

I dont fall asleep n get all fucked up n slurring my words n falling over n blackin out for 20-30 secs like half my mates do
OR take em jst for courage to go out on ridiculous brawls n wake up in cells next day with no idea why theyre there

only annoying thing is askin the same simple question 10 times, "where we goin, whos house are we at? , watd u just say 5
seconds ago? , i kicked who out of theyr own house for not changing the music ?? etc etc
the normal amnesia dumb shit , tho iv done way worse stupid shit drinkn spirits , wich i vow neva to touch again and i havnt

*pats himself on back*
 
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Indeed, I swallowed a 2mg xanax bar without water once, horrible taste, worse than mdxx/amphetamines IMO. 2mg clonazepam tabs taste sugary and sweet, definitely best tasting benzo I've had.

an old friend rekns ativan tastes good taken sublingually, 99% sure it was ativan

lol iv choked on many Xanny bars tryin to do same , its fukd , they just get stuck halfway down then u gota drink water til they dissolved more , shits me how after i take my morning dose i cant have a ciggi all day coz iv experienced and read up on it (xanax n some other benzos ) deminishes the effects almost completely , fukn bullshit coz il naturally roll a ciggi , smoke it then realise "fuck"

also i dont rekn the taste is that bad (zannies, well the 2mg anyway), i jst suck on em wen i go to bed, n thats 3 bricks , not exactly small pills.
by the time iv chose n put a cd on theyr pretty much gone n im ready to sleep

vals r wierd , feels like they dissolve into little grains of sand
 
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^ I have read a few places nicotine decreased the clearance time of certain benzo's, meaning they have a slightly reduced duration. I wasn't under the impression it "diminishes the effects almost completely" and no time in my personal experience smoking cigarettes on xanax did I notice a difference in its effectiveness.

I just got a script for bromazepam, which is interesting as I have never had the pleasure of indulging before. What are peoples thoughts on this benzo? I got it for anxiety so I am presuming it isn't overly hypnotic in nature. All the benzo equivalence charts I consult seem to indicate that the 3mg tablets I have are about equal potency with diazepam but a shorter halflife.

I am certainly hoping this pans out to be a worthwhile benzo, I will report back with my opinion on the stuff. I was really hoping for something stronger than valium, atleast these come in 6mg tablets as well which are obviously stronger than the usual 5mg valium.

I have been loving the benzo's a bit too much lately, they are just way too comfortable, sometimes relief of negative symptoms can feel better than any high.
 
Thanks P_D, I don't really like the wiki benzo chart, because it shows .5mg of alprazolam to be equal to 10mg of diazepam. It seems about half of the charts out there put .5mg alpraz equal to 5mg diaz and some say 10mg, in my personal experience .5mg of alpraz is a lot closer to 5mg diaz than 10mg, but probably *slightly* more potent.

This chart I feel is more accurate in that respect. It does list quite a few less than the wiki chart, but the only relevant ommissions to Aussies would be clobazam/'Frizium' and flunitrazepam/'Hypnodorm' (formerly known as Rohypnol) and I suppose you could say phenazepam since popularity of that seems to be on the rise.

I don't really understand how equivalency charts still list .5mg xanax as the same as 10mg valium, I really dispute the accuracy of that. I know equivalency charts for benzos indicate equivalent therapeutic value and not recreational value, but as far as anxiety relief goes even I still stand by my comments. I know everyone reacts differently to benzo's and a chart will never be able to outline exact conversions for everybody, but from all the reading and discussions I have had on the topic there seems to be more people who find a 2mg xanax bar equal to 20mg of diazepam, maybe 25mg if you wanted to be generous.
 
Sorry for the double post, but I just got back from filling these and what a hassle it was. I can't believe the level of red tape there is on medical shit. Apparently my pharmacy of choice doesn't stock 3mg bromazepam, only 6mg, so they called every pharmacy (another 3!) in the area and it was the same situation. I assume this is due to 3mg only being equivalent to 5mg diazepam, and most doctors realisation that relatively speaking it is a fucking minute benzo dose.

Anyway, instead of just giving me half as many 6mg tablets in the fucking first place, I had to wait half an hour for them to ring the doctor and make sure it was OK. Am I the only person who thinks that is just plain ridiculous?

The way I see it, if the doctor writes me an exact dose of pills, it really shouldn't matter if they are 3 or 6mg tablets, it isn't like I was asking for the same amount of stronger pills. I just think theres way too much fucking beaurecracy involved in getting a simple box of bloody pills. I was almost late to work as a result of this dick around, when I complained about the wait I was told with an attitude I could come back tommorrow and they would have the 3mgs ordered in, I mean it just so happens I am not benzo dependant, but they don't know that and what if I was?

I would of been late for work if I didn't speed on the way, it doesn't seem fair a possible benzo dependant patient should have to decide between withdrawals and lateness for work, and it certainly shouldn't be snapped at me like I am the one in the wrong. The thing that really steams me about it, is if it was a non abusable prescription med I am absolutely positive they would of let me on my way with fewer the stronger tabs without calling my doctor.

It also really shits me how doctors always warn benzo's are "addictive" but never bother to mention that EVER when they write out shitty SSRI's. Because they don't really care if you get addicted to pills, they only care if your pills are maybe worth a few bob or could make you feel nice if you take a few extra.

Not just education but experience, like if I say I have used a benzo and it worked well, instead of trusting me as an adult with a medication I know fucking works for me they say "oh why don't you try this equally addictive piece of shit drug instead?" and just refuse to give a medication the patient knows works for them. It seems to me, logically, if a medication worked for me in the past and it took a few tries to find the right medication, why change it now and possibly cause unwanted side effects?

Doctors priorities are seriously fucked up when it comes to treatment of anxiety IMHO, they are fucking shit scared to write out any reasonable dose of benzo's and getting them to is like pulling teeth. Not one of the many doctors has ever bothered to inform me how addictive the stilnox or SSRI's they desperately try and push are, but I don't think I have ever even gotten bloody 2mg valium tablets without first being warned how addictive they are.

What I find most disturbing about doctors and pharmacists is the more knowledge you demonstrate, the less trusting they are of you. It makes no fucking sense to me, a good and responsible patient who is INTELLIGENT enough to research what their quack is writing instead of mindlessly taking it is treated worse than a fucking retard who will do or take anything the doctor tells him without batting an eyelid or questioning it at any point.

Sorry, this has ended up a bit of a rant, I am just in a fucking shit mood I guess. I am just really losing the little faith I had left in our medical system when nearly every doctor or pharmacist treats me with suspicion or at times outright rudeness everytime I want a fucking headache tablet or relatively weak anxiety medication, and the more intelligence I display on the matter the more they treat me like a fucking criminal. Whats more is it is often done in a very passive aggressive and misleading way, they often try bullshit me like "I'm not allowed to write that" or claiming 15 is the largest packet of panafen, its like not only do they insult me with their demeanour now they insult my fucking intelligence, I would rather they just said to my face "NO! I think you are junkie scum and I refuse to assist you in obtaining this potentially abusable medication because I believe you will use it to get high," but thats never the reason they give, it's always a new load of horseshit.

I would like to think health professionals would want their patients to inform themselves on the medications they are taking, and they certainly give the impression they do, but when it comes to potentially abusable medications atleast, in my experience the total opposite is true.
 
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I been kickin a benzo habit for quite sum time. I only use it after stims or to potentiate opiates like codeine, oxys,h or morphine. Does anyone here use them together? I know its a very dangerous combo and its hard to find the sweet spot between nodding and falling asleep. I really dont want to complicate it anymore by adding more shit to it as i already use DXM, bars and usually codeine+oxys together. Anyway to decrease the sleepiness part or how do u guys do it? I go through a shitload of opies with my tolerance thru the roof so im looking for the best way to reduce my opiate intake but still maintain a similar experience.

DM: I totally understand ur rant. I get the same issues. I find they usually try to take my ID when the suspicion arises which i hate so much. Its bullshit. All these things add up in the end so will just get it off the street rather and they will be the ones loosin there money not me. Been using these ones lately:P

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I recommend seeing a private psychiatrist if you have the money. I had problems like you d_m until I found an understanding, competent psychiatrist (21 now). You've got to do individual therapy if you really want to get rid of the root issues causing the anxiety with a psychologist. Medications are never a permanent fix, but completely necessary until the problem is sorted out through therapy so the person can bloody function! I had a couple terrible experiences with 2 previous psyches (17-20 yrs old) but I really feel like I've found someone that's going to help me now, keep looking.

I'm back on benzos too, 2x 2mg clonazepam daily for anxiety, I just know I'll have to taper at some stage, but I just feel the minor w/ds stage atleast will linger for such a long time, fucking frustrating drug to get off.
 
Sustanon as you know I combine benzo's with opiates on atleast a weekly basis, although the opiate is more often than not just codeine it is occassionally heroin, morphine or codeine. It is definately NOT a SAFE combination, but an experienced user can certainly combine these two classes of drugs in conservative doses without too much fear of OD'ing.

In saying that, it is clear that a HUGE number of opioid related deaths also involve the use of benzodiazepines and often alcohol as well. The truth is that it is a fucking bad habit to get into, and opioids become a lot less satisfying on their own when you get used to the added sedation of benzo's. I have always been a big fan of poly drug use (This is neither a condonement or encouragement of such behaviour, just stating a fact) but the truth is you dig yourself a deeper hole. Everytime you improve your high or find a way to get it to exceed the last, going back is never as satisfying, and it also creates a dangerous mindset where you are always aiming to get higher instead of just being satisfied with what the one drug on its own did in the first place, or at a quarter the fucking dose. It gets pretty bad to think back and say shit, 2 years ago I would consider pretty much the minimal dose of sedatives it takes me to achieve any truly satisfying high or "nod" beyond ridiculous and ad I attempted such a dose would probably have landed me in hospital.

The point I am trying to make is polydrug use feels fucking good, but you are playing with fire and just the mentality one has going into poly drug use is generally unhealthy. Think back to your first experiences with your favourite drugs and how fucking magical they were, we really shouldn't have to be combining several times the reccomended dose of like 10 different drugs just to get a good effect.

I am an advocate of personal freedom, and people should be able to chase such a high if they wants. But in my experience, mixing drugs like that will just bring you greater problems and emptier pockets quicker.

For the record sustanon, I know you don't need to hear this shit. Just been having a bit of a think lately and thought I would put that out there. I have been accused of being too pro drugs by a lot of people and maybe in some ways I am. But I would definately say to all the up and comers out there try and enjoy your drugs seperately and as infrequently as possible. They are fun as hell but there does come a time where one has to pay a pretty heavy price for all the fun they have had.

Puckboy, I have been told from multiple sources a psychiatrist is my best bet of finding someone actually willing to put me on a constant dose that is reasonable for relieving anxiety in someone with a tolerance to benzodiazepines. The problem is I cannot afford to see a psychiatrist. On one hand I would genuinely like to uncover the "root cause" of my anxiety, but I am not entirely convinced it is something I could overcome entirely without medication. I have been anxious as long as I remember and only made things worse through abusing marijuana and stimulants from a very young age (12 onwards). There have been numerous things that have happened in the last 5-10 years that have really fucked my self confidence, but these issues have been present since childhood and if I am honest, it would be hard to of asked for a better upbringing until just after I started to abuse drugs. Due to that, I feel like I am just naturally anxious, and there is nothing wrong with being slightly medicated to compensate for that.

I don't just expect benzodiazepines to fix all my problems or am just looking for a buzz or whatever (although I do admit I occassionally use them recreationally, it is seldom these days I would take a benzodiazepine for an effect I would term "recreational" with the exception of using them for the purpose of opioid potentiation) and I would ideally like to work on my problems in more than one way. But even supposing pharmacotherapy was the only solution I was after, I don't see what is so wrong with that, it just shits me to tears as a legal adult I don't have final say in my own fucking medical treatment. As I said, I don't ONLY want tablets, but as an adult even if I did I should be able to make an informed decision to do so without intervention from some quack. We live in a society that is looking for a quick fix to everything, they don't have a problem with me being a drug addict, so long as its SSRI's and beta blockers I get hooked on, but as soon as we are talking anything that ends in 'pam or 'lam suddenly the addictive nature of the substance is an issue and thats fucking bullshit.

I think it is fair enough to have to consult a doctor about your medical treatment, but when my fucking appointments are paying his fucking mortgage he should be listening to me too, it isn't or atleast should not be a one way street. I think it is fair to make me talk to a doctor about possible anxiety treatments, but at the end of the day as an adult it should be my personal decision. As I stated in my previous post, probably my biggest issue with the whole system is the more informed you are the more you get treated like shit, how is that right? I know heaps of older folks who have been put on benzo's and didn't even know what they were, as soon as I demonstrate any knowledge on the subject I am automatically branded a junkie. The funny thing is I KNOW just from talking to them that my knowledge of benzodiazepines off the top of my head far outmatches theirs, it is ME who would have to live with the consequences of taking them long term, and yet it is still his final say? Something is fucking wrong there IMO when I am pretty well versed on the subject of benzo's but the only way to have a hope in hell of getting one is by playing dumb as dog shit...
 
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^ hey d_m I also recommend trying to see a psychiatrist if you can afford it. CBT or ACT are both pretty highly regarded for anxiety & depression and worth looking into in conjunction with meds. Have a look into the medicare mental health plans and it might turn out cheaper than you expect:

http://www.health.gov.au/internet/m...tent/pacd-gp-mental-health-care-pdf-factsheet

I had a psychiatrist once hook me up with months worth of free "sample" anti-depressants because I told him I couldn't afford them from the chemist (don't have a health care card) =D There are some out there that do care more about your mental health than the dollars in their pocket but they're few and far between.
 
^ The doctor I am seeing now gives me free lexapro (that I don't take lol) but that doesn't change the fact he is insisting I take a useless and addictive drug DAILY but getting an as needed script of something that actually works has to be a big song and dance.

In regards to the bromazepam, interesting drug indeed, pretty much as expected it caused very little sedation but the anxiolytic effects are there. As I was at home in a comfortable environment the drug felt very subtle, due to the lack of triggers of my anxiety and the lack of sedation caused by the drug. This was at 18mg BTW which is a dose equivalent to approximately 3mg of alprazolam or 30mg diazepam.

It has a slow onset so would probably not be the greatest for stopping panic attacks in their tracks but given its subtlety I think it would be perfect for less serious GAD. It will definately be my benzo of choice for shit like oral presentations, etc.

For me it wasn't the greatest benzo to combine with opiates, but I seek sedation. Due to its lack of sedativeness, bromazepam would be a great benzo to compliment those who enjoy lower doses of opiates as they go about their day. I know a lot of people find lower doses of oxy and codeine stimulating.

Ironically I have found the beta blocker (propranolol) I got scripted before this can extend the average half life of bromazepam from 23 hours to 28 hours when used with it. I wasn't going to bother filling it but I might now.

Question for those with a better understanding of pharmacology, would propranolol (or non selective beta blockers in general for that matter) potentiate or extend the half-life of any benzo's other than bromazepam? Also, assuming it was only the case for bromazepam, why?
 
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