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SMOKING is HARDER to stop than HEROIN!?!?!?!?!

sixpartseven said:
It means to quit and never use it again for the rest of your life. In other words: which are you more likely to fall back in to.
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If we make the definition tooooo strict [ie, quit and never use again for the rest of your life], then I think we may be missing some important considerations.

Suppose that our heroin addicted friend had also been a smoker, but quit. Suppose that each time he lit up that first cigarette, he became a bona fide smoker for a full year, before being able to break away.

In that case, the cigarettes seem to be more addictive to him.

One can make the case that he never really "fell back" on heroin. After all, do you consider people who onlyt dose once or twice a year to be "heroin users"?
 
But you can't make exceptions like that. The question is "are cigarettes really harder to quit than heroin?" What does quit mean? It means to not use it anymore. Anymore means "never again."

That's how I see it. I may be wrong, but if I am, then what does it even mean to quit using something? If you quit but still use it sporadically, I don't see that as really quitting. It was quitting daily use, but not quitting all together.

You can't give either one any handicap because then it is biasing the terms of the question towards one drug or the other.
 
sixpartseven said:
That's how I see it. I may be wrong, but if I am, then what does it even mean to quit using something? .
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One interpretation that comes to mind, which is probably quite useful in "addictionology", is to "quit" using to the point that it's no longer a "problem in your life".

biannual heroin use is probably considered less "problematic" than a yearlong nicotine binge.
 
Binge Artist said:
One interpretation that comes to mind, which is probably quite useful in "addictionology", is to "quit" using to the point that it's no longer a "problem in your life".

biannual heroin use is probably considered less "problematic" than a yearlong nicotine binge.
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But it isn't quitting.

If I quit my job, I don't go in twice a year just for the hell of it.
 
sixpartseven said:
But it isn't quitting.

If I quit my job, I don't go in twice a year just for the hell of it.
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You are a petty, nitpicking asshole. This is why I like you.

The way I see it, a person can come back to their old job about once or twice a year, and still be considered to have quit, as long as they're not....*** back on the payroll.***
 
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Binge Artist said:
You are a petty, nitpicking asshole. This is why I like you.
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<3

The way I see it, a person can come back to their old job about once or twice a year, and still be considered to have quit, as long as they're not....*** back on the payroll.***
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Yeah, but who actually does that? And if they are still working - even if it is twice a year without pay - then they definitely didn't quit working, they just quit getting paid for the work they still do, so my opinion still stands: quitting means giving it up completely.
 
Maybe the meaning of quitting is up for interpretation to the specific person and situation.
most everything in life is not black and white.
 
^ Shut up and take it, bitch.

Porkyprimecut said:
Maybe the meaning of quitting is up for interpretation to the specific person and situation.
most everything in life is not black and white.
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That's a cop out. What if my interpretation was "I'm going to QUIT doing heroin and do 1 gram instead of 2 a day." I mean, hey, I quit doing two grams. What you are quitting is defined by what comes after the word "quit" in the sentence. If you quit doing heroin, you didn't quit doing 2 grams by just doing 1, you actually STOPPED using heroin. If I quit doing 2 grams of heroin, than I didn't quit heroin, I just started using less.

No. The day we start making our own interpretations of words with well established meanings is the day the english language - and the world - goes to hell.
 
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Quit

–verb (used with object)
1. to stop, cease, or discontinue: She quit what she was doing to help me paint the house.
2. to depart from; leave (a place or person): They quit the city for the seashore every summer.
3. to give up or resign; let go; relinquish: He quit his claim to the throne. She quit her job.
4. to release one's hold of (something grasped).
5. to acquit or conduct (oneself).
6. to free or rid (oneself): to quit oneself of doubts.
7. to clear (a debt); repay.

–verb (used without object)
8. to cease from doing something; stop.
9. to give up or resign one's job or position: He keeps threatening to quit.
10. to depart or leave.
11. to stop trying, struggling, or the like; accept or acknowledge defeat.
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I bolded the important ones that pertain to this discussion the most. I don't see anywhere in there it saying anything about not completely giving something up being a form of quitting.
 
sixpartseven said:
^ Shut up and take it, bitch.



That's a cop out. What if my interpretation was "I'm going to QUIT doing heroin and do 1 gram instead of 2 a day." I mean, hey, I quit doing two grams. What you are quitting is defined by what comes after the word "quit" in the sentence. If you quit doing heroin, you didn't quit doing 2 grams by just doing 1, you actually STOPPED using heroin. If I quit doing 2 grams of heroin, than I didn't quit heroin, I just started using less.

No. The day we start making our own interpretations of words with well established meanings is the day the english language - and the world - goes to hell.
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Like I said,it can be open for interpretation . The world has been a hell already. If there is no other interpetation,then why are we even having this convo. Everything is up for grabs,almost.
If the statement is I'm going to quit using 2 grams and start using 1 gram. Yeah,he quit doing 2 grams. If he said he was going to quit everything,that is different.
 
Porkyprimecut said:
Like I said,it can be open for interpretation . The world has been a hell already. If there is no other interpetation,then why are we even having this convo. Everything is up for grabs,almost.
If the statement is I'm going to quit using 2 grams and start using 1 gram. Yeah,he quit doing 2 grams. If he said he was going to quit everything,that is different.
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lol Thanks for proving my point.

What you just said is actually saying that the word is NOT up for interpretation. It just means what you are quitting is defined by what the object in the sentence is. Quitting heroin is quitting heroin. Quitting 2 grams is quitting 2 grams.

Pro Tip: Next time you try to argue a point, make sure you are arguing for YOURS, not the other person's.
 
Obviously the physical withdrawal are no where near as bad, but I'd say the fact that you see people smoking everywhere, you see them in the convenience store, you see it all around makes the psychological part really hard to shake. Also, your life never goes down the drain really with smoking (until you get Lung Cancer and die) so in that sense, its like, its not really harming me in the short-term, why should I go through this withdrawal and craving?

But yeah, obviously Heroin is harder to quit and stay clean from, its just...Different. I've also never been addicted to Heroin, only Nicotine so I'm obviously not able to compare, but, still smoking, haha.
 
Yeah, lots of people thinks it harder,so your not alone.
A friend who was busted after being strung on H & Coke said smoking was harder and the all the adverts didnt help.
 
Now matter how bad your heroin habit is, you can always stop taking heroin, easily. How? Just take another opioid
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Good point:) However, it does little to solve the problem at hand.
 
Well its a catch 22 with me I can go without cig's when im straight,but soon as that opiate kicks in I feel like (crave) ciggys.Same with MDMA,amps & alcohol.for some reason I get abuzz from cigs when im on narcotics (not weed), but when im sober they taste like utter shit and buzz isnt worth it.

My 2cents ;)
 
Seems kind of silly to compare addictions and if you haven't been through both,then i'd say you don;t know for sure.
 
yeah, i believe nicotine grasps people harder than any other activity or substance.

it's very plausible.
 
I think cigarettes are comparably addictive to heroin. I used to smoke around 50 cigarettes per day. I then went on the nicotine gum, I now have been chewing the gum for over 12 years. I chew through over 3 packets of 105 pieces per week. I've ALWAYS got a nicorette in my mouth except when eating. I often wake up once or twice in the night craving them, chew one for 20 mins or so then go back to sleep. When I smoked I used to wake up 2-3 times a night for a cig, then go back to sleep.

I've been using opiates for a while (Oxycontin) and I don't personally find them addictive at ALL.

I also think significant alcoholism is worst than heroin addiction, as well as more addictive (in severe cases). I also think smoking is worst for your health than PURE heroin. The main problems with heroin are impurity, and inaccurate or uneducated dosing.
 
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