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I went through a period when I was 14-15 years old where I was considered extremely anorexic. I dont ever talk about it cuz its pretty wack. it aint somethin im proud of, and especially cuz its somethin thats usuaully associated with upper class, white females, i feel like its really something that dont fit with who i am as a person. i wasnt all obsessed with bein thin or pretty, i didnt want to be a model, I just really felt mentally shitty and lost all effort to eat. I really wanted to die and thought i could starve my self to death. so i felt like if i stopped my self from eating i could just kinda shrivel up and die and then i wouldnt have to worry no more about all the shit that was gettin to me in my life.
I am 5'6 and 130 lbs and im a thin, slim girl even at that weight the way my body holds weight Im just petite. At my lowest point, i was 92 lbs, fuckin skeletal. They wanted to put me in a inpatient hospital program for eating disorders. So im just saying this to show the severity of it, that it matches the severity of my heroin addiction. I didnt want ppl to think that maybe i didnt get deep enough into it to understand how hard it is to recover, cuz i was fuckin deep.
And after that experience, and my life as a heroin feen? I can still say with alll certainty....
Heroin has been WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY harder to quit than it ever was to quit doing the destructive behavior that was causin that. So as a person that has been addicted to smoking, had a eating disorder, and been a heroin addict, i can still speak on it that out of all 3 of these heroin is 100% harder to quit.
And this is where subjectivity comes back into play. Just like most experiences with drugs, objectivity goes out the window immediately for the simple fact that we are all individuals. My post that you quoted was to demonstrate how heroin is not the "king" of addictions for everyone. You have to take a lot of different factors into consideration in this instance. The three I mentioned (availability, social acceptability, and necessity) are just three of a huge list.
Person A may be able to ignore the availability of cigarettes and go on fine without them while Person B may go crazy every time he walks into a gas station and sees all the cigarettes behind the counter.
sixpartseven-ok, you said that withdrawals have nothing to do with quitting, and that the after affects is what really keeps people using..well, as far as i know, nicotine withdrawal is finished after 2 months tops but with opiate addiction you PAWS which can last the rest of your life basically..so, this would be a vote for opiate addiction being harder to quit...
PAWS does not have a measurable duration. Again, it's different for everyone. What may be the rest of your life for you could be a couple months for someone else...a couple weeks even.
also sixpartseven, going by your logic, CAFFEINE is harder to quit than heroin as well..i mean, i quit heroin years ago but still cannot for the life of me stop taking caffeine..i really want to but i always start back up again...
Yeah, I would say caffeine is MUCH harder to quit than heroin.
My interpretation of what sixpartseven said is that withdrawal is only one stage of the whole process and that it doesn't have anything to do with quiting LONG TERM because by that time you have passed the W/D stage and might have depression, anxiety, insomnia, cravings, ect...
Thank you. I want to clarify, when I use the word "quit," I don't mean just stopping usage of whatever drug. I mean long term. I mean staying away from it till the day you die.
I could accept that it takes less cigarettes than shots of H to get addicted, sure.
But the actual addiction and withdrawal is nothing like H.
Yeah, but how hard is it to quit, which just happens to be the topic of this thread. We aren't discussing which addiction or withdrawal is worse, so your point is...well, pointless.
That is ridiculus. Anyone who has done both will likely say smoking was a piece of cake compared to heroin. It can't even be compared. It's comparing an atomic bomb to a hand grenade IMO.
Once one is truly ready to quit it is much easier to quit smoking. When I quit I didn't get insomnia, body aches,no energy...the walking (sometimes) dead. Then 6 months of shitty sleep until your brain starts to rewire itself.
I mean really......
Same can be said for heroin. People do it all the time.
I think it goes both ways. Why don't you put a little effert into quit doing dope.
I've been smoking for 25yrs. and it is way harder to quit than dope.
Just wanted to quote that to show I'm not the only one.
I've never been hooked on nicotine, but that's for good reason.. smoking never got me noticeably high. Sure, it was mildly psychoactive. If I did a lot it'd make me dizzy. It wasn't that good, and I'm glad I saved my lungs for things like weed that actually get me high.
I don't deny that withdrawal from cigs can be both mentally and physically rough, but I can't imagine it being as bad as opiate withdrawal, especially mentally. Cigarettes don't do that much for you mentally. A lot of people are hooked on dope partially because of the therapeutic benefit it provides. It helps with depression, anxiety, pain, etc. I never found nicotine to have any of those therapeutic properties.. I mostly only smoked cigars randomly when I was 18-22 or if I was drinking or really board. When I was 18 I smoked almost every day for a few months, fortunately I never got hooked.
I have no problem with smokers. I do find that second hand smoke gives me a headache. It used to as a child, now all the sudden it does again. It sucks. Anyway, I'm a little biased and I don't have enough experience with "smoking withdrawal" to have much of a useful opinion here, but I figured I'd add some thoughts.
That's the problem with cigarettes though. No one really smokes them for a buzz/high. We attach smoking a cigarette to a certain event. What's the first thing a smoker does when they finish a big meal? Light a cigarette. What's the first thing a smoker does when they get in the car and drive off? Light a cigarette. What's the first thing a smoker does when he sits down with his morning cup of coffee? Light a cigarette.
Heroin is purely for the high. I didn't eat a fat steak and then go slam a few bags. I didn't get in my car and shoot up before I drove off. I didn't...well, ok, I did shoot a few bags with my morning coffee. My point is, in essence - it obviously takes a lot more - quitting heroin is about moving on and forgetting the high. Quitting smoking requires you to change how you do certain things in life. Yeah, these events may be small, but this is (AGAIN) where subjectivity comes in. These things might be harder for some to do than others.
I get your point 6/7.
But I have to ask this. You said you are free of heroin for 2 years. Does that means you are completely straight? No opiates at all or you are on some maintenance therapy?
Because if you are 100% opiate free and cannot quit smoking then I agree that your point has merit. In that case, for you, it's harder to quit cigs then smack.
But let's not forget and opiate is opiate is opiate.
If you are taking mmt or smt or whatever, but just don't shoot smack everyday then considering yourself clean is lying to yourself.
Good point, and yeah, in that case, I have not been clean for 2 years. More like 3 or 4 months. Still, I managed to cut out opiates before I cut out the smoking.
