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smokable speed vs. ice

basix said:
Dont listen to Psybeebee, almost all 'speed' 'ice' 'crystal' etc in melbourne is methamphetamine, same drug, only difference is the purity, and how its cooked etc.

What is sold as 'ice' here is typically higher purity than powdered forms of speed, thats why the effects can seem quite different, even though it is the same drug.
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Completely agree with the above mentioned but could almost say 98% of the 'speed' in Australia is Methamphetamine based. Not just in Melbourne and well of course ice is Meth based, if anyone were to disagree with that they would be a stupid Kunt.

SpecTBK=D
 
just a a quick question i always thought that proper speed smelt like dead ants??? all the time i have got speed it smelt like dead ants and it wasn't smokable..... except years ago when i first tryed it i used to be able to get what i was told smokable speed which stunk like dead ants and smoke so well only needed a point or two at a time and that would last me the whole nite.... i was told by a mate who new the cook that it was def speed and that it was only smokable because of the way he made it... so was it speed or meth????
 
just a a quick question i always thought that proper speed smelt like dead ants??? all the time i have got speed it smelt like dead ants and it wasn't smokable..... except years ago when i first tryed it i used to be able to get what i was told smokable speed which stunk like dead ants and smoke so well only needed a point or two at a time and that would last me the whole nite.... i was told by a mate who new the cook that it was def speed and that it was only smokable because of the way he made it... so was it speed or meth????
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speed is meth
 
Chaddeyevo3- It was probly meth, I have a similar aquaintence(wouldnt call him a friend) that makes what he calls "gas"(base) some of the shit turns out all wet an shit but some of it turns out like ice, but white instead of clear. I smoked a tiny bit and I loved it, its really strong, except quite a bit of residue. I have never been that wasted from any type of speed, I was up for 2 nights, ended up getting psychosis, went out and fucked someone id never met before. Then got home and realised WTF have I done. Sometimes xanax and speed dont mix.
 
I find that most of the base I score has amphetamine type characteristics in that it will numb the tongue when you taste it and when IVed you get almost a complete body rush and feel like you just turned into the Hulk and want to smash down walls. With Ice, no numbing of the tongue and when IVed it almost entirely a head rush, making the hairs on your head stand up and your whole head tingle, plenty of energy but not as intense as thae base.I have read that the methyl group is added to amphetamine to make it fat soluble. Without this it cannot be absorbed straight into the brain, and this is why you get the two different types of rushes and effects
 
the_ketaman said:
Ice is not always pure though, im sure theres samples of base purer than ice. Ice isnt as pure as it used to be.
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Ice is 80% pure/ish Methamphetamine, there is no such thing as 100% Pure ice, In this state- 100% pure the product has not reacted and is merely a bunch of precursors etc... It is impossible to get 100% pure meth, because quite simply it hasn't burnt off certain chems etc... Therefore it is inert to react. (BUNK, no reaction, lots of ingredients in a bucket doing nothing etc...).

Depends on your speed cook/dealer in what form does he get his stuff etc... I know people that used to buy an Oz of Ice and then crush and cut into speed after purchase of the *pure* product. But then there's guys that use their burnoff's and residues during manufacture of their meth as their cut and they cut their stuff there and then in the tray as they go.

So no, you don't find Base more pure then ice. Ice basically means- Meth no cut added. Base- Meth, some cut added. Speed/powder etc...- Meth, Major cut added.

SpecTBK=D

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the_ketaman said:
^^Ever heard of MSM?
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Who hasn't that uses/used Ice... We're talking Methamphetamine here, not MSM-Methyl-Sulfonyl-Methane. So tell me what MSM has to do with the quality of ICE? and/or this subject. Besides being a cutting agent and a reasonably expensive one if you ask me... Especially when you got all the cuts you need atop of your baking tray to begin with. Anyway from what I remember was we were comparing Smokeable Speed and Crystal Meth. So MSM, really has no position in this convo or post-total-grabbing.

I spose one glory of MSM, is. It's legal and a shitload cheaper then a kg of ice. LOL. So you can just open up the container of MSM in its Crystalline state and pour it into your bag along with your Methampetamine. mix it up a lil and you're sorted you've now made 1kg of meth into 2.5kg of 'meth' lol. The only prick is, in a powder state of MSM, it doesn't really pass that well as 'cut' n you can pick it up a mile away.

SpecTBK=D
 
Special-T.B.K said:
So no, you don't find Base more pure then ice. Ice basically means- Meth no cut added. Base- Meth, some cut added. Speed/powder etc...- Meth, Major cut added.

SpecTBK=D

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So you know what all the speed in the world is like exactly do you? Ive seen base made, and yeah it can be a shitload stronger than ice.


To above post...
Well 50% ice + 50% MSM doesnt equal 100% methamphetamine does it?

Im just trying to say to warpedmind that there could be samples of base say 50% meth and 50% other shit, and there could be a sample of ice 20% meth and 80% MSM. Ice is not always stronger than base.


Im no mod, but i remember you used to come here and cause shit, dont even start.
Now please, get over it.


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at the end of the day, one is just a slightly less concentrated form of the other, and the syntheses can differ between them. i do find that the effects of smoking louey wears off quicker and make me more productive/less edgy or scattered than smoking ice. they both have their own place.
 
this topic needs to be closed.

ICE = METHAMPHETAMINE IN A CRYSTALINE STATE, Regardless of purity.

Its a fucking nickname, not a note of purity. you could get a sample of powder that could be 3x as potent as a sample of 'ice'. Thats the end of the story peoples
 
basix said:
^ last two posts are spot on, and sum it up pretty easily.
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I agree.

Two choices: We can this discussion is continued respectfully

or

More inflamatory comments and stupid arguements about slang terms, yes thats all they are, this thread is locked.
 
StolenBrew said:
iv always thought of ice as smokable meth.... either way it fucks you up and isnt worth it
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yeah, as stated above, it is methamphetamine in a crystallised form and can range in strength/purity. it is also eadible, on that note. like all drugs its effects can vary.. if you can keep tabs on your behaviour and don't go overboard with it, it can still serve a purpose. again, like all drugs.
 
ice and smokable wizz is the the same but ice is just crystalline shards. i have had smokable wizz that has been twice as good as "ice"...
Same drug, very wide range of purities.
btw, by smokable wizz i mean powdered methamphetamine.
 
IMO

Speed = free base amphetamine/amphetamine sulfate
Rock, ice = Methylamphetamine HCl

Now, theres smokable Methylamphetamine HCl in its powder form, this just means

a) Its been crushed
b) It hasn't gone thru a proper recrystallisation after conversion from freebase to HCl.

Talking pure ice and relatively pure smokey...There is alot more impurities(not cut) in the smokable meth due to the recrystallization process to make proper shards pushes the impurities out and leaves it at the bottom of the dish. The proper shards will grow near perfect after a few rXtilizations...

You can give a whacker(IV user) 2 points .2 of a gram of PURE ACETONE WASHED Ice, they'll love it, rush + hurl for a few minutes and it'll have fuckn legs!

You can give a whacker 2 points of smokable meth, it can give them anything (depends on certain solvents left in it n shit), but some IV users prefer smokey vs ICE due to little impurities carried thru from the reaction (i.e. they love iodomethamphetamine !! :P) Them two points might give em a much bigger rush, and longer rush than ice will.


Best rocks i've smoked was recrystallized shit from side of an ounce bag(i dont give a fuck, i dont do it anymore ne way) 4-5 points all up recrystallized in a cup.



Anyway, fuck the shit. Been off it for 4 months now and I was the biggest ice-hero here on AusDD.

Tis not worth it, unless you sell it and dont use it, get sluts + money, what more could ya want?

But yeah, don't use it. Ya just can't think clearly at all..
 
When the cook finishes up, he's got waxy yellow brown crap. Full of impurities, known in the Western US as "peanut butter crank." Going up it feels fine, coming down you feel all the toxic crap in it and how it poisoned you.

A real cook now proceeds to the dry acetone wash. The gop dissolves, leaving meth HCl suspended. The dirty acetone is discarded and the filtered out, now slightly yellowish powder is dried. Some will sell it that way. In that form, I guess you'd call it "speed."

Or, it can be redissolved in dry methanol, which is then evaporated almost to dryness. Scratchscratch...with a glass rod, voila, crystals. Now, one more dry acetone wash. Now, there's white powder. I guess you'd call that "great speed."

It can be recrystallized one more time, and the evaporation done such that the crystals come out big. That is, I guess, "ice."

1) Big crystals doesn't mean pure.

2) Little crystals don't mean bunk.

3) The last poster is very right - the shit is bad news coming and going, and if you're smart you'll leave it alone.
 
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