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Yep. When you're really high it feels as though you've forgotten how to go, it's like you've slept on your guts and they've gone to sleep. Super annoying.

Tent I've been meaning to ask; have you shot heroin? And if you have how does it compare to IV morph? Is there a noticeable difference in the rush/high? I've only really come across morphine once when I was too young to know how to use it properly, my friends grandma passed away and while cleaning out her house he found a bottle of 30mg IR capsules, I think there were about 30 in there. We overdid it massively and ended lying around trying to remember how to breathe, my friend snorted 150mg and was on the verge of ODing, it was really quite scary.
 
I drink a couple of teaspoons of fibre each day with my methadone, it keeps me regular. I usually won't dose until I've had my morning shit. Methadone is notoriously bad for constipation, but after taking fibre and drinking plenty of water each day, it's not so bad.

When I was using heroin every day, I'd wake up, prepare my shot, sit on the toilet, shit then shoot. Of course this isn't the best hygiene, but I'd always take a few swabs with me and never wipe before I had my shot.
 
cassandragemini said:
Tent I've been meaning to ask; have you shot heroin? And if you have how does it compare to IV morph? Is there a noticeable difference in the rush/high?
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yeah i have. truth be there's really not much difference apart from the h being a little more euphoric initially and then it's converted to morphine with the rest of the high exactly the same. morphine (can) produce(s) a huge histamine release (dose dependent) which a lot of people don't particularly enjoy (can be negated with antihistamines), which can be found extremely uncomfortable, but i love it for some sick reason:D straight after i slump into the familiar euphoric high as with heroin. once heroin crosses the BBB it de-acetylates and turns to morphine anyway.

I've only really come across morphine once when I was too young to know how to use it properly, my friends grandma passed away and while cleaning out her house he found a bottle of 30mg IR capsules, I think there were about 30 in there. We overdid it massively and ended lying around trying to remember how to breathe, my friend snorted 150mg and was on the verge of ODing, it was really quite scary.
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thankfully i've never found myself in that situation much, less than a handful of times after years of use.

morphine sulfate doesn't have a great water solubility, between 40-60mg/mL so am limited to fitting only so much in the 6mL fits i acquire and i'm not too keen on stepping up to 10mL barrels. i may sometimes prep a 6mL barrel and a 3mL barrel to inject right after each other if i'm looking to really get down without adding diazepam into the mix.

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When I was using heroin every day, I'd wake up, prepare my shot, sit on the toilet, shit then shoot. Of course this isn't the best hygiene, but I'd always take a few swabs with me and never wipe before I had my shot.
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funny you mention that, i would do that on occasion too. though, try to save the shot after having my shit and exiting the bathroom.
 
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Wow the unrination thing is something foreign to me, I wish that was the problem with opiates but unfortunalty I get severly constipated and dont have bowel movement for days and when I do its nothing but the hardest, densest dry nuggets that cut and make my anus bleed.

A few years ago my poo's were magnificent, something enjoyable something satisfying, but these days its an absolute nightmare that leaves me literally sweating and furiously tapping my feet.
I think ive brought this up here before but oh well.

Does anyone else here suffer from this?
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Yeah id say its a pretty common side effect. Before u go to the toilet make sure u have eaten non solid foods, something that is very easy to digest along with a bunch of fluids. Preferably water if possible. Caffeine helps too if u find that its hard to even initiate a poop.
 
Thanks ram daddy. I figured they would be similar with morphine having a bigger histamine reaction and maybe slightly less of a rush. I sometimes enjoy a bit of a histamine reaction too, it gives a clean opiate high a bit more of a tangible buzz that if not too intense can complement the euphoria quite well. I really don't like the reaction with codeine though, it can be really uncomfortable and disorienting, it's a big part of why I've never liked codeine.

I didn't realise morphine sulphate was so insoluble, it kind of makes the IR formulations redundant. Id like to experiment a little IVing some of the other popular opiates, I've heard mixed reviews of IV oxycodone but id like to try it anyway, I've liked oxy the times ive used it. Id definitely like to try hydromorphone and if I could oxymorphone. I was lucky enough to try oxym when I was in new york a couple of years ago but I wasn't shooting at the time and just snorted it but it was still pretty amazing. The guy I was scoring off and using with said that IV oxym was his personal favourite, he said it was similar to smack but with a more intense and extremely euphoric rush. Id also like to try morphine with the antihistamine tripelennamine, the combo is apparently called 'blue velvet' (like the brilliant david lynch film) and is apparently really amazing. I havent heard about or seen tripelennamine anywhere other than what ive read on wikipedia, has anyone tried it or know anything about it? I think it may be one of those discontinued drugs that were about in the 60's and 70's and were popular among a relatively small crowd.

One thing im not that keen on with pills is having to use the bigger barrels, I'm sure if I used one a few times I'd get used to it but I like the ease of the 1ml's and i like to use as little water as I can in my shots because it leaves less chance for something to go wrong like if you slip out of a vein or have trouble hitting. I haven't shot pills before and it seems like it could be a bit of an ordeal prepping them up, especially with these new anti-abuse formulations coming out. I do rather like the ritual of prepping though, especially when you have the equipment you like and know you have a nice shot coming up. I really like the steri-filt filters they have at nsp's, theyre safer than cottons and they're a lot more effective when you get the hang of using them. It's totally worth the small price you pay.

Ive had a shot of h tonight, I got offered some yesterday and being me i couldn't refuse, it's going to set me back a bit with withdrawals seeing as I'm nearly clean now but I don't think it'll be too bad. It was really lovely gear, the best I've had in quite a while for sure. I've been smoking speed all afternoon with friends who just came back from overseas and once they had had enough to drink to become annoying (i dont drink anymore) I came home to an empty house and had a shot on the couch in front of the fire, opiates for an amp comedown is just magic. It totally took off the edge off and is still an hour later so euphoric, I'm now lying out the back of the house on a bean bag smoking ciggies and nodding out to calexico. Fantastic. I hope all you guys are having a great Saturday night, make the next drink/pipe/line/whatever for bluelight!

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Hehehehe sounds like your having a good night there:) Do u guys find that smack keeps u up all night and makes it difficult to go to sleep? Usually with every other opiate I just fall asleep.The euphoria is just nuts with this new batch. After it wears off completely or so u think then it starts hitting u again in waives ahhhhhh
 
Hi im holidaying up in Qld and was just wondering if anyone had any good ideas on how to deal with the wds....got very little at my disposal as i thought i had myself covered for 2 weeks with methadone but as it turns out i dont-surprise surprise...but i desperately need advice here!!!!
 
You've come to the right place. Welcome, friend.

Kidding. Have you used a cold water extraction to filter the paracetamol/ibuprofen out of over the counter codeine pills? I feel as though I shouldn't be recommending anyone do this but I think its better this than something else potentially more desperate and dangerous. Search this site for 'cold water extraction' and you will find a wealth of knowledge on the subject, it's not perfect, especially when dealing with methadone withdrawal but it will help somewhat.

Also things like Imodium tablets for the runs, over the counter antihistamine sleeping tablets like phenergan or restavit can help with insomnia, muscle relaxants, beta blockers, if you have a script for them can help with anxiety and 'the kicks', same with benzos if not gone overboard with.

Also obviously eating healthy, drinking plenty of water, herbal teas, hot baths, that kind of stuff helps too.

Is there no way you could potentially see a doctor and see if you can work something out for a methadone script for while you're up there?

Goodluck man.
 
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Thanks, the cwe info helped a heap...i probably could see a doctor but seeing as i was also on the gear until two days ago and then had a weeks worth of takeaways in a day and a half im not sure theyd look all that kindly on me or my situation...all i really want is to smoke some gear but as im in an unknown place thats impossible...im almost considering flying my guy up to me lol
 
Going through the worst wds..hating being in Qld at the moment which is a pity cos it really is lovely up here...so different to Melbourne...where i can score in every suburb :) youd think i wouldve made sure to cover my trip away so i wouldnt be hanging out going through meth and h wds but no im such a glutton i polished off everything in the first 5 days....
 
doesn't sound like much of a holiday...maybe you should come out from under the cover, pack up and go home...
 
Considering it...part of me keeps thinking the worst will soon be over though and if i tough it out then i'll have gotten off the shit again..hadn't touched anything for 3yrs then i went and screwed it all up by going on a bender. Maybe this is the break i need..the thing will be though-can i stop myself from picking up the minute i get back home?
 
Hey buddy, i'd give poppy seed tea a go. They work very well for withdrawals & can be bought from supermarkets. Do a search for pst threads in ausdd for the instructions on how to do one, i'd suggest using 3-500g of seeds.
 
Hey guys.. Just made an account and thought Id give my fingers some exercise.

I just went through My first proper habit.
Before Id go 3days and feel like shit..but this was 6-8 months of daily grovelling. The only way I managed it and it got bad to start with was I was living with a dealer. and we were/are still pretty good mates.. So I was able to get the tick stupidly high etc etc
And do/run favours freebee's and I was on an actual allowance (of sorts) for putting up with the deal'n

Never committed any serious crimes thank god. But I was doing dodgy things and some ppl would get hurt..
I could see what was happening and after trying to give up many times. Being given methadone etc and Im just too much of a Pig aye.
So the only thing Icould do ,and many have also Im sure (including my parents more than once (I know i should know better)) is move as far away from the dealer/scene as possible.

This I did. I had a shack in the bush many hours from the city with no power. No toilet. Tank water etc etc.
Me , and my sole mate & GF, bought as many bup pills (the ones you cant belt) as we could.. and packed the ute and headed out. (mind you we had a shizzle before we left) and never looked back. (didnt do the methadone ruit cause we are bad and would have sort needles n barrels and all that intales..)
BEST MOVE I HAVE EVER MADE!!

Was a little up and down. Was Ages and ages till we where right. like 1 month after the last of the subutex(?)
Had no idea it would linger so bad. I can see why its hard to stop. 1 week of not using after heavy use doesn't cut it at all..

So Im fixed now and all is good. Didnt do to bad really. Never hang out bad. Never did crime or sold my gerl. Delt for a day or two, Was a little depressing dealing with users and prostitues all day. I take it as a learning experience. Id never do it again. Get a habit that is. I'll have the occasional taste (If said GF lets me) and I do love all drugs. love LSD. Weed has been the backbone of my life. Meth is also fantastic.

But I have found that smack has all these qualities is differing degrees. I now know why its the scourge of humanity. And why so many go 'there'

My take on shit. Like I said. Only a baby here. Not one to wrestle with the butterfly snake, or to think of belting anywhere but my arm.
I feel for the ones with no veins and that. Must be horrible.

wacking done will speed this along too guys.

DONT WAACKK YA FUKN methaDONE! Its a syrup for heavens sake.
Its not good for ya veins, Its not good for ya brain,heart and dont forget it doesn't last half as long. and like ya putting upwards of 20ml in you system. extra 20ml would have an averse reaction surly?
Dont get me wrong.. I have Shot up heaps of methadone. Never again though.
anyways im rambling nonsence. Cant even remember what I have been writing about :P
bloody meth

:D
 
Hi BL'ers, friends :) ... I havent logged on for ages, im not dead, dont worry lol jks. Just had a nice big beautiful shot this morning it was lovely. Diacetylmorphine <3

Ok Ive been on opiate maintenence for a few years now and im over it, I dont feel normal emotions and I feel like my brain is being jumbled by these chemicals. I Have been on Bupe for about a year and a half at 8mg, before that I was on Methadone 80mg for about 2 1/2 years. I feel much better on the Bupe but I still dont feel normal.

For the last few days ive been using heroin. Im just wondering how long I have to use before it will only be the heroin wd's that im going through? I want to transfer the dependence as quickly as possible. Im planning on using around a point of decent gear once a day until I can cut that in half, then wait til that can be reduced again and jump off that. I just dont want to have to use the H for a long time. Im hoping a week or two does it. How long do Buprenorphine WD's last? And also I havent been going to the clininc because they treat me unfairly but im a little worried about this not working.

This is all happening so quicklly and I didnt plan it very well but I have the opportunity to do this so I want to give it a go. I dont have a ton of H around(I dont have any around and none gets used in my house as a rule) and it takes about an hour to get it so I cant go silly, I am just so sick of being on maintenence and I work so I cant afford to just go cold turkey on the bupe. I so want to feel happy and normal emotions again. Maintenence was great when I needed it but im over that now.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I should do this? One point gets me through a day easily so I guess compare that to 8mg of Bupe. Any plans or ideas would be greatly appreciated. I now a fair bit about coming off H and other opiods but not sure about bupe and the differences.
 
are you sure it wouldn't be a better idea lowering your bupe dose over a period of time and then simply jumping off?

i just have the feeling you might start up your affair with the H again. why? because you don't keep it at home, leaving you to score each day - and you say you have trouble getting it at times. you may develop the love of scoring each day, the ritual of prepping and using the needle and again you're risking getting busted again if you're shooting up in public, possibly dropping out as happened not long ago, risking further legal problems. is there anyway you can break your own rule of not keeping the H in your house so you're not putting yourself at as much risk?

at least staying on maintenance you're keeping some structure with your use and it's all above board. fuck 'em if you're getting treated like shit, be the bigger man and brush it off. change clinics if possible, maybe?

bupe withdrawals can last anywhere between a month and 3 months on the extreme end of the scale. so if you're dead set on going the route you've proposed i still suggest dropping your dose to at least 2mg and then maybe switching to the H so you're able to start the H sooner and get off it quicker. you should only have to wait between 48-72hrs before the bupe has cleared and you're able to start on the H and having it's full effect without being over-ridden by the bupe. but really why start the H once you're in withdrawal? you might be over the withdrawals sooner rather than later.
 
awesome to see youre trying to give up your habit ketaman, im in the same boat as you so i feel your pain. and 5ativ4 too, nice one man. tapering on h is near impossible in my experience, its too easy to load up a full shot or after having a small shot or line i always find ill load up the rest 30 min later and fuck it up for myself. if you have the discipline to do it then definitely give it a go, as bad as h withdrawal is i find it much easier going through 1 week of intense pain than at least 2 weeks of drawn out shittiness coming off bupe, especially coming of 8mg, that would hurt a lot. i tapered down to .25 on bupe and jumped off and after about 2 weeks of 90mg codeine twice a day to ease the worst of the symptoms i ended up going back to h and pst. after 2 weeks it felt as though i hadnt really improved much, the withdrawal was still rough but then i was also kicking benzos at the time which made things much more difficult, it could definitely be done if id stuck to my guns but i was exhausted from the long taper on both drugs and was fucking over it and cracked. what ive been doing lately is switching to pst and codeine and using them to taper, its not perfect but because they arent in the same league pleasure and habit wise for me i find it easier to stick to a tapering plan. im not sure how long it would take the bupe to fully clear from your system, i dont know if a week of heroin use would clear it, does anyone else have experience with this? i understand your logic ketaman, i work full time too so cold turkey hasnt really been an option for me (my job requires me to lead a small team and be on the ball), i would rather go through 3-5 days of acute hell from h withdrawal than go through the 2 weeks + of hell coming off bupe. with heroin at least you can measure you progress after a few days, with bupe it just felt as though i was stuck in a well of misery going nowhere.

what ive been doing and has been working for me (other than i keep going back to using h and fucking it up for myself, i am 2 weeks without h now and down to 90mg codeine twice a day so fingers crossed i can get through it this time, im so close. after radiohead tomorrow night im going to stop the codeine as well and i think it should be ok) is start off with 200gm of seed 2-3 times a day (depending on my tolerance at the time) for the first 3-4 days then drop to 100gm seed 2-3 times a day then 100gm in the morning and either 90mg of pure codeine pills or 100mg of CWE'd codeine at night then drop the seed and stick to codeine and finish the taper on that. i usually just feel it out as i go and always try to stay in a slight and manageable state of withdrawal, other than for maybe an hour or so after dosing were i get a small reprieve. ithis is the best way for me, its not perfect and i think in some ways just taking a week off work and going cold turkey is better but when youre exhausted from the cycle of using and being sick sometimes cold turkey just isnt a good option, its too physically and emotionally crippling and the low, for me, is just too much to bear.

also i take restavit or snuzaid at night to help me sleep and have found 60mg of dxm 2-3 times a days seems to help a bit as well, same with a little bit of ibu and para when then headaches kick in, it doesnt do much but its takes a slight edge off. and when i was prescribed atenolol it helped with the crushing anxiety, same with clonodine. also hot baths are a godsend at night just before bed and eating healthy and things like regular brisk walks seemed to help but im sure you know all of this, youre a more experienced user than i am. sorry if i come across as condescending or something, i dont mean to be at all, ive kind of found something that seems to work ok and i want to share it if it can help someone else in a shitty situation. goodluck man i hope it works out for you, maintanance is great when its working but when its not it feels like a prison, i totally understand your want to get out of it, i had the same thing happen when i felt id kind of lost the spark in my personality and just felt kind of dulled and lifeless.
 
Have you thought about using codeine instead of heroin? It's more accessible and with the dose ceiling you're less likely to give into temptation and up your dose to get high.

Either way good luck man :) Hope it works out for you.
 
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