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Salvia, The Conveyor Belt & Other Common Themes

ok, i much better understand now. thanks for taking that time for me.

i do agree it strange that our brains would be willing to consentually (with the salvia offer) let us view something so strange and different after so many years of almost identical coditioning. i sure that it doesnt have a problem us gaining any type of perspective though.

and though i didnt directly mistake it for pantheism/panentheism, i did immediatly think to myself "hmm, this has some similiar principles to pantheism", lol. and then i saw the end of your post. ironic.
 
Inverse said:
.........Wish there was more research on Salvia Divonorum.
I'm afraid you can't abrogate this task to others in this instance dear boy! The only meaningful way to research this substance is to bioassay it ourselves, and build a body of experiential and philosophical knowledge and understanding around it.

I know a lot of folks on PD are impressed by "scientific" stuff about kappa-opioid receptor agonising and so forth, but ............. it's not gonna help to understand the actual experience. And no amount of "scientific" discovery about its actions on our brain/body will make it easier to sum up the courage to go where it will take us in terms of psychic adventures.

At least that's my view ;)
 
^^ very well pointed out. i think perhaps though there would be merit in clinical/scientific study of something so extreme.
 
I become a large zipper, and all around me I perceive other zippers, and chunks of zippers. The zipper that is me then begins to open at the top (my head), as I come out of it. I can see a slice of reality at that point, an arc that appears where I'm "unzipping". The slice grows until I'm back to Earth.

VERY heavy drug.

Peacelove,
Aldousage
 
From reading others posts and from my own trials, I'm beginning to think that the hallucinations experienced on salvia are directly related (or are interpretations) of the physical symptoms one feels on the drug.
 
hmm

When I am in a room on salvia it feels like everything is cardboard cut outs, like if I walk up to it there is going to be a flat other side to it.
Salvia is a strange strange drug. Nothing makes sense when on it, it's like
your brain forgets what everything is and does, or even what shapes are.
 
I never really noticed that, but I guess it is true.

The first time I smoked a small amount and there were little triangle-faced car-men flying over my head in a sort of salvia highway (reverse conveyor belt)

The second time, I was a spaceship, flying forward, and everything else outside of me the universe.

The third time, I was stationary, but Satan was coming towards me (another reverse conveyor belt) while simultaneously peeling back layers of the sky (to get me).

I had to jump off the trampoline that I was laying on, and physically crawled on all-fours away from him- resisting the conveyor belt.

this is a strange phenomenon... almost as strange as Salvia...

makes me want to smoke againnnn :D
 
i was not in machine. but they were in the television. it is not a joke. those two weirdos. should have a voice recorder to talk and shout to it.

it consisted of many experiences. maybe maximum three in night. and a one pipe is level 1 or 2 as i call it. i am huffer. get to the maybe sixth. and there was those two dotted white weirdos in the tap and in the toilet shelter, dimensional, maybe its used fourth space dimension. maybe they are near death experiences.

i call it that they can alter reality somehow totally weird way. this must be bullshitting eh? It is like they fade the memories after that. so like "it was just your carpet on the wall" like A mother could claim.

i was so deep in my head(it was my friend messing with me then and sometimes there) that it was scary like totally deep. i was transfered to some weird "dimension" that way that the freaks were laughing to me and something something. "it was just a coin on thew windowshell" like a bad friend would say. more like a hell or not prison but a dante hell like warehouse. Where can not move but no pain if movement of anykind.

so i bashed my head through roof and one log bounced off the pile. the feel was real that way that it could be feel brummm. and one visual that was a classic(bubbling regtangular (large)
. the spaceship was a sixside i think and full of creatures with armory. it was long mass transporter in hyperspace. four of them got the _attention_ and it was empty. long stay in colhose worlds that is relative to living neighbourhood.

i can not understand how it is possible that _i television is them too_. i was melted in to an object. to television. to pipe. to board. to chair. etc.
what the others anyway are? me is not them i say.
anyone? what they are?

they want to communicate with man.

i can get cure like that(it was dirty sage anyway)8) 8) as totally cluster parts in nose and so on. runny nose and quite purified feel, also tears but no sad cry.

what they were trying in the television, _it is that the space is somehow in the here_. when they come. somekind of molecule is the what should be the affect. and is that my mind is soooo messy that it is all around me. that religious weird communicative "space". but,

what the others anyway are? it is not the person who inhales it.
anyone? what they are?
If communication under influence, can it be own personality that communicates? I don't think so.
 
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^^ Im sorry, i would try to help you. but i do not understand you sentance structure. what language are you speaking?
 
France said:
From reading others posts and from my own trials, I'm beginning to think that the hallucinations experienced on salvia are directly related (or are interpretations) of the physical symptoms one feels on the drug.
Agreed. Visions--be they from salvia, a 5-HT psychedelic, or a dream--are profoundly influenced by environmental factors, with sensations of motion having extremely strong affects. That so many people attribute the fluctuating gravity sensations of salvia to visions of ferris wheels or conveyor belt-like things is only natural, as these are the memories we associate with cyclical sensations of motion.

I wouldn't be surprised if memories of the feeling of sharp metal zippers being drawn up or down against skin were evoked by the creeping pins and needles feelings of salvia either, or if those memories were translated into thoughts of actually being zippers through a wild psychedelic elaboration of similar associations.

Still, the way these interpretations are so wildly skewed from dream interpretations or memories, is, of course, still extremely fascinating.
 
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I once become the conveyor belt. I was tearing holes in each dimension then crawling through them. I would live other peoples lives and at the very end, I thought I was caught in hell but some being appeared and assured me it would all be alright.
 
=D 8o 8o 8) :) I try make this easy to read as good i can.

what they were trying in the television is to communicate. It is that the space is somehow in the here. The molecule should be what does it. It could be shamanism but i think it is something else. That religious weird communicative "space here" where the person who take it. It should be recorded with voice recorder with monotonic loud clear voice that gives no grace. And be prepared to communicate friendly and aligned. I choosed physical pain, the other results were quite good anyway. But, they tortured me for one or two days or weeks with needle bitch(a virtual little girl repeating "love me" on back). Because attitude of "get me to the boss and i shout and shout, but laughter was also and good communication should have been more. And with small many man they had knife all.

It is that they are aliens that have technology to take control of television and computer and so on. They have Reality Altering technology what is guite good.

I had this GWN.alien network.pink alien capturing thing atleast once in internet 2002 and 2006.
It can not be that way i accidentally swallow pack of glass fiber or it is arranged in torture laboratorion. Because it is they do not come then because it is Their research and contact tries. It is that. It was before. That decision. Now it is different. And not morally acceptepted.

Not in that time SD experiment, well they were there and it is funny that if not scared i want to push my head into the tentacles(they remaind clitoris somewhat).
one step is human form fingerface(finger kind tentacles in them, pink and no angles or branches imo).

Then the pink fingerball. it is a center and a lot of tentacles out of it. Two of them to show then(it was not SD smoking but some weaking dream with some drug used then neartime. (couple, not dating them, get it :) . If they really look like kodos and kang then look.

The porno finger was a lie. But it could be a friendliest try to do it to masturbate some theatrical porno with amfetamin and lsd. It is that first they and i do ugly dirty then get better more if dare.
(Not with them, but spacehere exploration). They encourage somewhat and claim they are in space. =D 8o 8o 8)

Once the computer did not turn off. and it was simple communist reptile talking i was shocked(it was not very good face recognisation but white dotteds, freaks i say). The computer was always captured, year 2005.

is it alien internet? Alien psychology.
a lot of.lot of drawings. graffiti kind. search control.found contvol.connect of course know.problem:anger if can not control too many.pretty mind one picture fanciest, accept others not. net drug shop usa.who does.why so many.see all if like.green bud marble.violet bud pearl.there was 60 different cannabis packets, or estimated. 10g for hundred, 100g for hudred for poor. So that was from communist world, Annas world.

It is a total lie of depressed mad. He never experienced anything. And is low iq sanitarium freak. Is mixture of sperm and makeup. It was studied he had abstraction mind. Like a dream of drink cup. And a piece of crack in mouth.

They have it. I say USA has it. That cannabis netshop. Why all shit is deleted and what is real and what is not. The small black cool computer loudspeaker was flying and the monitor did try swallow me. Is these common hallucinations?

But it was not salvinorin then. But. If it is about that weed that gives mild genital warmth, then. My television is represender of them that follows. The House Amusement Devises.
But it is a girl and show something that i do not like. That how sex is what. It stands totally proud and is like more like sure of that what they are and a diplomat. Others are more funny. Like small PC speakers. Or the "centermother" not mother, the base central.
It is that, that santaclaus is satan when get the concept. Most harmless and nicest religion.
The television is raped with that girl legs(restricted between legs). They should be large black metal legs and foots.

How it is possible to me see forrest landscape like a camera goes all over there. Like spotting a bear. Why it should not be tell is that i did tell everything possible to two enemies that should be the best friends because we are country that is poor and everything is about sadism and aligning and gayrapist pedophiles. thats it!

What they(aliens, they are real, memories get faded and changed after contact) really were trying i am not sure but and i try find out once more then it is good results. They do not take with them after death or like disappeared totally but once and then. what i mean. sometimes. But...
 
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^^ sounds very interesting, though im having a VERY hard time understanding it. just out of curiosity, what language do you speak?
 
psood0nym said:
Agreed. Visions--be they from salvia, a 5-HT psychedelic, or a dream--are profoundly influenced by environmental factors, with sensations of motion having extremely strong affects. That so many people attribute the fluctuating gravity sensations of salvia to visions of ferris wheels or conveyor belt-like things is only natural, as these are the memories we associate with cyclical sensations of motion.

I wouldn't be surprised if memories of the feeling of sharp metal zippers being drawn up or down against skin were evoked by the creeping pins and needles feelings of salvia either, or if those memories were translated into thoughts of actually being zippers through a wild psychedelic elaboration of similar associations.

Still, the way these interpretations are so wildly skewed from dream interpretations or memories, is, of course, still extremely fascinating.

Yea that's what fascinates me as well.

I mean it's true that external factors can sometimes make thier way into dreams, (Tv shows, Radio, Parents fighting etc)

But how come we can move around our bed, sneeze, cough, fart, move the blanket around, and yet these factors don't seem to affect the dream experiance at all?

One thing to remember is that our body paralyzes itself during sleep (as not to act out the dream) so perhaps that's the reason we can block out external stimuli so easily.
 
I can relate to that "conveyor belt" feeling. It feels to me like a rolling sharp body fry and continues to increase until I don't know whats going on any more. Personally I've only have had one pleasant saliva experience. It was with the company of a comfortable friend, in my home, listening to ambient type music. I kept my eyes closed and i saw what looked like to be one blade of a ferris wheel type figure with human like patterns growing out from one of another, all the while remaining in a tunnel like feel. The vision is ingrained into my memory. I also always feel as if i am "outside" once i reach a strong +++ - ++++ experience on saliva. There is some kind of strong "wind" sensation to me. Kind of like reality is being blown and distorted at the same time. I really would like to try and experiment with it more in comfortable settings again.
 
TRPPNASS_DSCOMONKE said:
^^ sounds very interesting, though im having a VERY hard time understanding it. just out of curiosity, what language do you speak?

English simplified.
This kind of karma: Claus(means moose)
Anna(means nothing special), she is hitler.
They are not a couple.
They are not in television.

It is related to the subject IMO. i can not be very specific because it is not allowed to give specific information from Anna. One time(SD) it was a sock(wall size that texture tissue) in the wall. That is related to the point that with psychedelics some experience the total shame of themselves and their property. "why this something is so stupid, can not handle it because done wrong something." The real meaning get clear if person is not mental ill.

Human being causes karma to each other the way of this: "it is not granmama smelly perfume thing(is it, it is example), it is some get attract of it some avoid it". Then it is stuck to that, or just notice it.

Not to offend anyway.
 
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glassywear

Is English your 2nd language? If so what is your native tongue? It might help us to make sense of what you say. The grammar, syntax & etc. are making it hard to interpret :)

Cheers

E
 
He/she's from Pretensia, Nonsenland. The language is known as Pretentious Nonsense.

Just kidding. It's actually very deep, meaningful and profound. I for one am presently picking out a sheet and shaving my head, in case he/she starts a cult.

Vote Aldousage, he put the "cult" in culture.
 
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