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[Salvia Subthread] Salvia not Working

sizzle: while a waterless bong can increase the speed of smoke, i think the cooling effect of water is very important to being able to hold the hit in for the proper amount of time. especially for novice smokers who will probably cough their lungs out :)
 
greenmeanies said:
sizzle: while a waterless bong can increase the speed of smoke, i think the cooling effect of water is very important to being able to hold the hit in for the proper amount of time. especially for novice smokers who will probably cough their lungs out :)
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I admit I did cough briefly on the best hit. Maybe the problem was the stuff I bought. It actually wasn't pure salvia 40x. The package said salvia 40x with lobelia extract, nicknamed "horse killer". It did say it was a standardized extract with at least 0.16g of salvinorin a..... which seemed like more than enough for at least a couple trips, but I am very suspect now because the guy at the store tried to rip me off today, buy passing off damiana as salvia 80x.

I went back to the shop I bought the stuff at, told the guy it didn't work, so I was thinking of trying a pipe to smoke it instead. He said maybe I have high tolerance and I should try 80x. I asked how much, and he said $20 for one gram. In my head, I was like, holy jeez, that sounds like an awesome deal. I asked to see the product. The product clearly said, "dami-dagga" and reading further it said "damiana extract" and there's a picture of some big yellow flower which is clearly not salvia, and the package said it comes from Africa, which is also not salvia. Nowhere on the entire package did it mention salvia, or even 80X!!!!! I told him "this isn't salvia, it's damiana", and he said, "yes it is, it's just sold under a different name". I looked skeptical for a second and said, "are you sure?", and he said "I'm positive. It's all the same shit from the same company under different names." Luckily even I wasn't stupid enough to buy it, I said I'd go home and google dami-dagga and if the product was salvia like he said it is, then I would buy it. Of course, I went home and looked it up and damiana is a completely different substance and not one that I would want to smoke anyway, as it is harsh and tastes like shit.

Seriously, he must have thought I was a complete idiot!! To buy a product that's supposed to be salvia and it doesn't even say salvia on the package. That's like if you're shopping for corn and someone gives you a package that says rice on it and they try to convince you it's corn. The hell.

Well, I'm just mad bc I believe I got ripped off. I'll let ya'll know how it goes after I get my stuff from salviamonster.
 
Salvia, cant feel anything

So i bought 1g of 20x salvia divinorum extract. I put some (Dont know exactly how much) in a pipe and smoke it. I hold my breath for a while, and dont feel nothing. 10 minutes later i take a long hit of a lot of salvia, and for 2 minutes the floor is round like a globe and my heaf feels funny. No more than this... Is something wrong with the salvia, i should I have smoked with two lighters, maybe with a bong or with tobaco? Thanks :)
 
^ Those effects sound rather typical of salvia, it is not every time that you "break through" as such, particularly if your smoking technique is not very good or the product you're using isn't that pure. You might also not be smoking enough.

How much did you actually smoke?
How long did you hold it in for?
Did you use a regular lighter or torch lighter?
 
Similar to what jesusgreen said, but you should definitely get on a torch lighter if you haven't. Salvia should be burned at high temperatures, so using a torch lighter does make a difference. Also, since salvia is so fine, make sure it isn't falling through the hole of your pipe! Screens are your best friend.
 
I dont know exactly how much, but it was 0.5g for sure, and i hold my breath for 20 seconds... I used a normal bic lighter. Yeah, I did miss the screens :P Maybe the next time is better, i have to buy one of those lighters...
But do your mean that it is possible to feel salvia 10x a lot more than what i did?
 
^ Using a normal lighter was probably your biggest mistake, I've heard of many people getting very poor minor effects when not using a torch lighter, so yes I'd try and buy one :)
 
migazaur said:
I dont know exactly how much, but it was 0.5g for sure, and i hold my breath for 20 seconds... I used a normal bic lighter. Yeah, I did miss the screens :P Maybe the next time is better, i have to buy one of those lighters...
But do your mean that it is possible to feel salvia 10x a lot more than what i did?
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10x should be ample. I've broken through on 5x. You must make sure you hold the flame on the salvia for the entire rip. So many people make the mistake of just igniting the leaves and then using the inhalation vacuum to produce the smoke. This will not vapourize the salvinorin.

Take a great rip, and hold it in for at least 30 seconds. If you are using 5x or 10x, you will need about a normal bowlful, which i estimate to be roughly a half-inch cubed in volume (or slightly less). If you have good quality salvia leaf, you should definitely breakthough.
 
Use more at once, get it all in one hit, use a torch lighter, hold the flame to it the entire time you inhale (don't just "cherry" it), inhale as deeply as possible, and hold it in longer.

I always had the best results with laying the salvia ontop of a small amount of cannabis (or tobacco if you prefer), just enough to make a "bed" for the extract and keep it from falling through the pipe's hole. don't use a huge piece because once vaporized the salvinorin-a recrystallizes very quickly in the smoke. you want a direct route into your lungs. you gotta hold it in so the recrystallizing salvinorin has plenty of time to absorb in the lungs.

Is your salvia all black or is it black/green mixed? the best salvia i always got was stinky moist black little flakes. the lower quality brands aka purple sticky were black and green flakes mixed. always needed like twice as much for same effects.

and are you sure you actually have 20x? i remember some brands would market it as a certain "x" but in reality it was equivalent to a much lower extract, like 20x purple sticky was equivalent to 5-10x of other stronger versions or something like that.

i still have one big bowl of salvia left waiting for me. some day.
 
God I wish I hadn't felt anything when I took the stuff. It was the worst experience of my life taking salvia(35x), I thought everyone/thing was made of lego and I jumped out of my bathroom window and ran through town with no shoes or socks on, then everything went wavy under my feet, and I felt like I was being stitched up from the tips of my fingers right to my core. I ran across 2 main roads, and whenever I tried to focus on something it got swallowed into the ground. I fell into a toy shop and knocked all the stands over. Panicked and ran again... I certainly shan't touch it again :-(
And it tasted like shit
 
You're not the only one, there is an entire thread on this phenomenon:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/100556-Salvia-Subthread-Salvia-not-Working

Apparently for a lot of people it can be hard to get right but once they get it to work they need less and less of it, reverse tolerance like.

I prefer it if you continue discussion there or are okay with having this thread combined with the central one, but for greenlighters (relatively
new members) it is normal not to yank threads away from under them. ;)

Please next time check if there is already a thread on your topic, start with the general topic (in this case the drug Salvia) and check if it has
a subthread in the main thread first post, which usually has an index.
You can find all these general threads in the Psychedelic Index - link is in my signature. Also you may use the advanced search engine.
 
K88ABY said:
God I wish I hadn't felt anything when I took the stuff. It was the worst experience of my life taking salvia(35x), I thought everyone/thing was made of lego and I jumped out of my bathroom window and ran through town with no shoes or socks on, then everything went wavy under my feet, and I felt like I was being stitched up from the tips of my fingers right to my core. I ran across 2 main roads, and whenever I tried to focus on something it got swallowed into the ground. I fell into a toy shop and knocked all the stands over. Panicked and ran again... I certainly shan't touch it again :-(
And it tasted like shit
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LOL, yes it feel really weird and really real.

To the OP: Have a trip sitter by you just in case you go all weird. And try it again, lay down and relax as soon as you has taken your hit. From what I understand it's normal not to feel anything specifick on your first try. But you won't be mistaking when you feel the real thing.
 
migazaur said:
So i bought 1g of 20x salvia divinorum extract. I put some (Dont know exactly how much) in a pipe and smoke it. I hold my breath for a while, and dont feel nothing. 10 minutes later i take a long hit of a lot of salvia, and for 2 minutes the floor is round like a globe and my heaf feels funny. No more than this... Is something wrong with the salvia, i should I have smoked with two lighters, maybe with a bong or with tobaco? Thanks :)
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No, those are typical effects. Especially if its only 20x. Try a higher extract. I did .5g of 20x over a few hits and just felt very very weird, but still in 100% control.
 
^Then your 20x Salvia must not have been 20X Salvia. I can achieve a full cosmic breakthrough with ~6x salvia, packing a normal sized bowl. You have to get good quality Salvia (not the brand name ones), and you have to smoke it correctly. You can get Salvia as an enhanced leaf which is not sold by X-rating, but by milligrams of salvinorin A per gram of leaf. There are also some good sources available of good quality 5x and 10x salvia, but you need to find the good ones. There is also a fair bit of bunk stuff out there, usually brand name, in which a normal 20x dose seems very weak. I'm not sure how a bunk extract is made, but it seems that this is indeed the case with some "brands". 8)

You should not need to buy anything more 10x; if you find yourself needing to get 20x extracts or more to feel anything then the extracts you are using are of a very poor quality. I would personally avoid the flashy brand names, and the ones prepared and packaged by those who sell legal high pills such as "legal coke" and speed powders etc. since these often seem to be the ones that people report as bunk.

Also consider growing your own Salvia plant. This is something I have always wanted to do, but haven't yet had the optimal environmental grow conditions to do so. You can get clones of specific Salvia plants, and cultivate and propagate them yourself if you have somewhere to do it. You can then make your own extracts, and be assured of the potency. :)
 
salvia isn't working.

just smoked about three bowls of 20x and none of them have an effect. also tried chewing a bit and that didn't have an effect either. what am I doing wrong?
 
If you aren't taking any other medications, sounds like you got bunk salvia. All you need is one hit of salvia, especially at 20X, to experience complete dissolution of your reality.
 
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