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Ethnobotanicals [Salvia Subthread] Buccal (quid) / Sublingual / Oral Salvia

I've been told by many that the extracts do not bind well for sublingual use. Probably something to do with the resin not absorbing as well as the unprocessed leaf.

I later smoked some and it was very "recreational" and pretty stupid. I don't know, salvia just doesn't really do it for me I guess...
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Wow. If there was one thing I could never describe Salvia as, it would be recreational. I have never been able to just 'enjoy' Salvia. It is a complete challenge every time, but a challenge that holds true rewards.

I found that a good 10x extract only requires a moderate sized puff for a full blown break through. But this is something you have to learn. It really does take time to develop a relationship with Salvia. I've experienced many substances over my 32 years of life, and this is the only one that truly required a period of respectful courtship in order to enter it's realms without getting completely squished. -And even then, you still get squished most of the time.

Many learn that there is a bitch of a gatekeeper to that Salvia realm. Each person has to learn their own trick to get past her. But on the other side is a place that certainly cannot be accessed by any triptamine or phenethylamine.

I slowly introduced Salvia to a friend of mine who responded very well to it. Then I made the mistake of giving him a couple grams of 10x extract expecting that he would not be reckless in introducing it to others. Well, he has shared it with two people in the last year, both of whom had the ever-living-shit scared out of them. Both were handed a pipe packed with 10x and told to smoke up. One of those individuals is a psychology PHD who has traveled the world to partake of various entheobotanical sacraments and served an internship at an Ayahuasca clinic in Peru. She has since returned to explore Salvia more carefully, but her initial experience squished her flat to say the least.

If you are looking for a recreational experience, Salvia is not one of them.
 
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I put some 10x under my tongue for a while and there was maybe a threshold effect...I got this weird body buzz and a nausea that I usually get with the come-ups of tryptamines and I've never had that before with Salvia. overall, not worth it. monkey
 
Sat soln in alcohol

It holds around 4-5mg/mL - much more than then 1.28mg/mL that alcohol holds

I was sure that I'sd read somewhere that a saturated solution of salvinorin A in ethanol was about 4.4mg/ml ethanol (I've found that 2ml of tincture is enough to get a pre-breakthrough dose of salvinorin A).

Sublingual use of the tincture isn't the flash-bang-wallop experience that smoking salvia is, but it's a good way to learn about the unusual effects that it has on body image etc., before jumping in the deep end with a smoked dose.
 
I am confused about all this.

So if I get this right, a dose is 200-500mcg of pure salvinorin a if smoked. And people who have been known to take, say, 8mg of salvinorin a by way of 2 ml or more of tincture do this sublingually and don't fully break through?

So what have been people's experiences with solution in pure ethanol? How much salvinorin does fit into a strong ethanol solution? And what is this DMSO stuff that I can use?

And, re: consumption of my tincture - would it be safe to add a known amount of drops of tincture to a bowl or a joint (if I choose to dose it at, say, 500mcg per ml) ?? I somewhere read something about NOT burning the extract since it may contain acetone?!

Thanks.

(edited for nature of question after acquiring new knowledge online)
 
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I used salvia extract 10X sublingually with NO effects, extracts are only for smoking in a bong.
For sublingual absorption, you use either leaves or salvia tincture.
 
I've made a tincture that's MUCH stronger than Sage Goddess Emerald Essence - using DMSO mixed with 190 proof everclear. With the DMSO mixed it, it's able to hold a lot more Salvinorin-A than a straight alcohol tincture. It also doesn't burn the hell out of your mouth.

Does the DMSO (Ximot: dimethylsulphoxide - closest thing to a universal solvent) not leave a fucking horrible taste in your mouth. I got some on my hand once, and had the foul taste in my mouth for a couple of hours afterwards

I feel ill just thinking about it!
 
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I've made a tincture that's MUCH stronger than Sage Goddess Emerald Essence - using DMSO mixed with 190 proof everclear. With the DMSO mixed it, it's able to hold a lot more Salvinorin-A than a straight alcohol tincture. It also doesn't burn the hell out of your mouth.

Works much better than Emerald Essence, and is much more affordable.
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How many milligrams do you think is neccesary for sublingual usage with the tincture?
 
I am glad t see this thread about sublingual use of salvia. I've smoked nearly a whole oz. of fresh leaves. And while the experiences were weird and crazy, they were also only weird and crazy. I have even tried using salvia with sensory deprivation but only ended up in a underground sewer with tiny, fuzzy, different colored creatures just laughing and giggling and having a good time. I have been able to find very few trip reports using sublingual method and like others am very curious about learning more of the experiences.

peace,
beta theory
 
Calm down. FastandBulbous said that 2 ml of the tincture is enough for pre-breakthrough (4.4mg/ml) So I say try 8mg, then titrate for next dosage.

Semi-off track. I own a BC vaporizer, and has a range of 300 C, I know this is enough to vaporize Salvia, but would it be a wise idea to put in about 1/5 gram of 10x extract and just let it sit in there for a minute, letting it smoke till it stopped, then inhale everything inside the chamber in one go? (As I understand Salvia cant be vapoed, as it burns at a lower temp than the Salvinorin A is released?? I could be very wrong though)

P.S. Ive done Salvia 3 times now, 2 being shot into another dimension, leaving me speachless for a hour after the trip.
 
Salvia Divinorum - oral/sublingual

Most of the reports I've seen have been about smoked salvia d., whether in leaf or extract form. I've come across a couple of awful horror story uses of alcohol extracts which seemed more demented/dangerous than smoking.

Are there BLers who've used either extract or leaf orally/sublingualy (under the tongue). There are many references to the 'quid' method, but not many reports.

After blasting the synapses with with 5x, 10x, and 20x extracts via a pipe, I don't really find that area all that thrilling. Interesting, but I'd prefer a longer mellower flow. I'v rolled cigs with Salvia D leaves to pleasant effect, but they tend towards a brief mildness, though not not an unpleasant vibe.

Ideas? Links? Suggestions?
 
My experiences with the sublingual tincture was not favorable. It burned a layer of skin off my mouth and tasted horrible. My mouth filled with saliva until I was choking, then I would spit it out and re-dose. Very mild effects. Not worth the trouble or expense.

I also find it difficult to achieve good effects from salvia. Several bong rips of 10x will usually allow me to break through, but only briefly. Is it worth exploring? I guess so. It can give you a different perspective on things, though I never really brought much away from an experience except, "that was fucking strange".
 
I fucking hate salvia world, horrible. One of my quotations under the influence: "No! not back here again i hate it here!"
 
I love it there. :) I too am interested in sublingual/oral methods, though I wouldn't waste money on the tincture. I would just use it how it was used traditionally.
 
How can you love it there? I suppose it induces a mystical and profound state and don't get me wrong it is a useful tool. BUT the realisations and cosmic influence under a drug such as mushrooms is so much more profound than that of fucking salvia dementure, i find it really is a place i DISLIKE, one my mind does not feel comfortable in the slightest. Although piper you are an avid psychonaut and if you truly like that place of horror then fair play; its a realm i dont think i will ever gain any valuable insight or revelation as it simply is fucking uncomfortable.
 
Yeah, my friend was telling me that he experimented with the tincture and he only got very mild effects.

I can't say I like or dislike the world of Savia, it is just extremely strange. I AM interested in the many beings I interact with while under the influence though...I suppose that would be my reason for continued usage: I want to comminicate with these strange voices more.
 
I've also been wondering about oral/sublingual salvia. I only broke through smoking a few times, but it was enough to convince me that smoking isn't for me. But I hear that space calling again, and I'm looking for a different approach vector.

I tried the tincture, but got nothing...

Can anyone think of a reason why one couldn't do an extraction and just put the powder under one's tongue? I don't know anyone who could weigh out a smoked dose of pure salvanorin (less than a mg I think), but sublingual dosing seems to require like 10x that amount.. that gets in to the weighable range.

haha... what about insuffulated? :\ is that wrong?
 
My friend swore to me that when he chewed up the leaves he tripped hardcore for 4 hours or so. He said it was just the leaves too, not the extract, but he did about a half gram or so. I'd like to find more info on proper methods before trying it though.
 
I have tried salvia quid 4 or 5 times but got no effects from it. I used 8 to 30 fresh leaves. I will try again in the future. It did not taste too bad, it was bitter though. It caused no mouth irritation. I have smoked salvia extract of unknown strength that I made myself and 5ci extract that I purchased online. I have had some pretty intense experiences but I have so far not had a breakthrough experience. I will continue trying though.
 
ive tried the quid method with about 7 grams of some decently potent dried leaf with no effect. it tasted horrible and i would never try that again though i plan to try with fresh leaf when i get the chance. i understand that is the way to do it...
im interested in trying a tincture but the one time i did it burned so bad i had to spit it out within about a minute or 2.. even after diluting it..
ive also been wondering about just putting some 10x or higher extract under my tongue. or even better, just some pure salvinorin a.. maybe 1 mg or 2? im not sure of the dosage but i would think it should work.. has anyone tried this?
 
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