Regional Heroin Discussion v12 aka. Get yer junk out - Still no pricing please.

[Vader]

Never has starting a sentence "Not to be racist but" looked good.

 

[brimz]

Mate i'm a poster boy for long term D.LA .
still got my award n sever dis. premium & free buss pass , cold weather patments
Dad was born in The Gurnos pre war , his dad Bred English Bull Terriers n boxed during his army service.
Born in to it , not that much social mobilty .

My old man may he R.I.P made it up to a decent civil service grade , left school at 14 to work at the co'op cos he was v. short sighted teachers thought he was a retard , but he played rugby n thats what matters round their.

Grafters i think is the term . I know all the stuff you preach & enjoy some of yor yarns , but they are interspesed with sly jabs at other opiate users , I READ all of it , n some of your little snips make me sick , cos i'm not a TL ;dr sort of guy .

You get a script that any junk would physically cut a limb off for n start larging it thats some serious issues you need to work with yor key with , but no of course you now better , thing is half your patter is buried under 30 years of anti drug propagand and will never be dug out again and unless your more deluded than it seems you should know this.

Got my Giro t'day cashed bought some slippers n a half t n 20 rock , then treated my ma to dinner thats how i live , oh yeah after picking up my script , which i'm actually gratefull for .

i once was a Prescibed Opiate user 2/50mg phy amps aday . Thing is me n everyone else in that group got switched to oral juice when our doc went doolaly , of that group only me n about 6 others still survive half of us disabled for life cos thats real.

 

[Mylo]

Birmingham Heroin is top quality at the moment. Been coming in nice chunky browny/grey rocks, all one piece.

The beetle doesn't even frazzle near the end! It just keeps on running and running until the size of a pin point.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Naw, yer only posing, Brimz. Unless you go barechested in the Ashton Gate stands to show off your tattoos

Not much coke in the crack, not much heroin in the brown. Modern times, all is rip off. But both still sell like the proverbial hot cakes. Explain that one and its cui bonos from a Zen Trotskyist perspective, SHM.

Peoples innate and permanent desire to get stoned.

Its not their fault the drugs are shite. Underclass, by definition, don't own the means of production do they.

Cui bono? You know the answer to that.

I'll come to your other post in a bit. Like when I've read it.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Ah, I do love a bit of criticism from the site's anarcho-communists. For some reason, nobody believes I'm a conservative; I understand Ray Davies has the same complaint.

I do.

Of course I'm a snob, both inverted and traditional. I'd like to exile the reactionary aristocracy to Tierra del Fuego

I've been there. Full of beavers. Very tasty beavers.

if you think I'd let a stereotypical street trash junkie move in and marry my daughter, well, you must think I'm crazy or something.

If you think you can decide where and who your daughter lives with then you're living in the 19th century. A time for poets at least though eh? If not daughters.

My love is for my constituency of the decent, the dispossessed and the downtrodden. Just like Jesus.

But unlike Jesus you seem to think you have a hold over who counts as such. First stone an' all that.

Not sure what the 'make them creep, Mr Trocchi' means.

It means it ain't the smack that makes them creep around like criminals. Its the law. It means there is nothing in junk that makes me people act like stereotypical junkies. It's the law. And I'm sure you damn well knew that.

Sure, the kind of folk PTC calls 'scumbags' aren't consciously doing smack in search of 'chic' but you can argue they ain't conscious of much. This is the age of conditioning and, if you really know why you do what you do, you're a rare human. Every time you pick up a paper or turn on the tv, you're sublimated into doing, usually buying, something or the other.

And if you know this then how can you justify such bias against people who are having their lives decided for them? Whose lack of consciousness, in anything, is a result of socialization, shit education, worse housing and the mind control alluded to by yourself in terms of the mass media? I don't have to love the dispossessed to fight on their behalf. God knows I ran away from my own working-class environment quickly enough - but I still have no desire to shit on where I came from. I know the people I grew up with didn't have many choices in picking their way through life. No-one is born a scumbag. So yeah, I fight for them. Exactly because I don't like them and what they have been made to become.

Of course, I'm sure you know all that and only act controversial to make your audience think and appreciate their revolutionary potential.

I've never 'acted' controversial in my life. Never acted anything. Its a sad indictment on the power of hegemony that anything I say is deemed to be controversial. But yeah, sure as shit, anything I say is certainly put out there in the hope of waking up a few individuals. Arise like lions from slumber. Etc. See, I have my poet moments too.

You see, you're just like me, be happy. And, yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the appearance overnight in the Thatcher days of heroin on UK working class streets was the work of elements within the 'security forces' to divert would-be dissidents not seduced by cheap, bad beer in cans. But that was 30+ years back; in our modern times, the game has moved to a whole new level.

Not sure it has really. Addicts boomed exponentially in the 80's and its been a very high levelled off plateau since then.

The 'enemy' is sharper than we'll ever be, which maybe explains why we're both posting on an obscure drug site and not camped out in the City or taking up arms against the greedy capitalists who've brought us all to this sorry state.

BL is no longer obscure. We get cited in a lot of reports these days. As for being camped out in the city - their naiveity is something to behold isn't it?

Oh, and I gave up the taking up of arms bit many moons ago. Something inherently philosophically contradictory about the results of such actions. Though I'll never cry over a dead cop, granted.

Ah, them pop songs - the last weapon of an alternative aristocracy out to change your way of thinking. Looks like they 'lost' and today's junkies prefer Justin Bierber.

And Next. TopShop. Footlocker judging by the riots. Etc.

Drugs good, drug life bad - figure why and you're halfway there.

Just don't cut the poor bastards down who aren't allowed the nous to figure it out for themselves Mr Jesus.

Peace. Of a sort.

 

[Vader]

Could you not maybe take this to PM guys?

 

[hooks]

Birmingham Heroin is top quality at the moment. Been coming in nice chunky browny/grey rocks, all one piece.

The beetle doesn't even frazzle near the end! It just keeps on running and running until the size of a pin point.

Dunno where in Brum ur going to mate but between me and the people I know we're in contact with about 40 or so dealers at least. And NONE of them have anything that could be called top quality!

I know of some gear that's chunky brown/grey rocks but it's full of barbs. It'll knock u out before you've finished it but it aint the heroin doing it. It's pretty easy to tell the difference really. Everyone I know who's had it said it was good so I got some and it wasn't top quality at all. Since then I've spoke to the folk who said it was good and they all agree that it's not a proper gear buzz at all and that they all have to have a nap once they've had some! If there's summat going around that's proper top quality then I wanna know about it! I aint saying there isn't but from Cannock to Wolves to South Brum, nobody I know is getting anything close to top quality.

 

[Mylo]

Aston is the area. Run by the usual groups. Its quite expensive and there is a minimum buy so its not a low level dealing. Im not heavy into the scene anymore, just the occasional dabble, but am lucky to have mates who are well hooked up. The stuff im smoking now is right on the mark, i have no tolerance so maybe not the best of the best but there deff aint any barbs in it.

 

[ructions]

Dunno where in Brum ur going to mate but between me and the people I know we're in contact with about 40 or so dealers at least. And NONE of them have anything that could be called top quality!

I know of some gear that's chunky brown/grey rocks but it's full of barbs. It'll knock u out before you've finished it but it aint the heroin doing it. It's pretty easy to tell the difference really. Everyone I know who's had it said it was good so I got some and it wasn't top quality at all. Since then I've spoke to the folk who said it was good and they all agree that it's not a proper gear buzz at all and that they all have to have a nap once they've had some! If there's summat going around that's proper top quality then I wanna know about it! I aint saying there isn't but from Cannock to Wolves to South Brum, nobody I know is getting anything close to top quality.

Same in Dublin, people saying they know where to get amazing gear & when i go to get some its the very same crap that i had already been getting myself!!

That so called 'New Batch' that i scored from last week must have had tablets in it, i wasn't nodding, but just as you described Hooks i had to have an auld nap after smoking it! I'm getting so sick of this! I have spent so much money over the last few weeks, there is an improvement, but its still nothing as good as what i used to be getting!

 

[brimz]

Good debate is not what Bl is all about ?

bar hr obviously, surely this is more relevant than folk chatting about puking on buses n the like?

 

[hooks]

Good debate is not what Bl is all about ?

bar hr obviously, surely this is more relevant than folk chatting about puking on buses n the like?

Puking - ahh, those were the days! From gear that was really good? Or even better, from crack that was so good. The last time I had crack that good was about 3 or 4 years ago! Gear aint made me puke for a long long time. I long for those days again...

 

[charlie clean]

Take it to pms? I had no idea such passions were aroused. It's a persona, you understand, slightly less me than Theodore Dalrymple is Tony Daniels. I'll be serious if you like.

I'm 61 soon and have had a heroin habit for quarter of a century. You envy that? In real life, I don't think I'm 'biased' against anyone; as a 'junkie' I know quite a lot about being biased against. I surely never made any decisions for anyone else or ever thought I had 'a hold' over them, rather the contrary. I don't 'fight' for anyone. In support of someone, perhaps, but not for any abstract or to be anti-something. I don't think I'm 'superior' and know I'm no more important than anyone else. Nor inferior, unless I'm afraid. We all have specific capacities and when you fill the spectrum, you've a community. You agree? I'm conditioned. Aren't you? At times, I've behaved in ways I perhaps wouldn't have but for the dope. Haven't you? Of course it's the law, not the drug, that makes 'junkies' - that's at the heart of what I'm on about - but, other than appreciating it's not that easy, I've no idea what to do about the drug laws or treatment. Or anything you can vaguely term 'political'. Have you?

In everyday 3D, I think my reaction to you can say more about me than it does about you. In cyberspace 'you' exist only as an extension of a 'me' which doesn't exist either. You can 'cut down' people, as you may want to in a nightclub. There, fear of a violent reaction, of stupidity, will stop you; online, you're freer. Like in the club. I don't knock you for being stupid, I just want us all to wise up. I'm student, not teacher and so are you. You have no face but the one I give you, which has to be an aspect of the same face as you give to me. We're alone with metaphysics, first love of all poets, and the information. I know nothing, same as you, and the best for which I may hope is to serve something of which I know nothing.

In cyberspace, it's a different sort of dynamic, without eyes, ears, smell or weather. I could be a bank clerk in Sheen and you a dyke in Damascus, we create an idea of our fellow posters from a balance of informational probability, our projections and imagination. We can, consciously or not, shade our personalities - to appear a winner, to pull that girl on Facebook or for a hundred other reasons; we create an image in hope of it earning a desirable response. In service, the desirable response is not for your personal benefit. Sure, I sometimes wonder what I serve; same as everyone, it varies. But occasionally the 'me that isn't I' gets through. The rest of the time, it's best just try to laugh.

The dope isn't a 'pain' killer, just makes it you don't care so much or, at times, at all. Have I got the right you? What's your service, how do you rank? Where you going, where you been, who's your sponsor outside of Vegas? On a different level? If we want it, but I'm not on it right now and neither are you. So what are we doing on no longer obscure drug sites - looking to score, to share that hilarious episode of projectile vomiting, for 'personal' friends or a sense of belonging? Impersonally, can it go anywhere the Mail readers forum doesn't reach? Don't ask me, it's just the same as asking Brimz, etc. We're stranded and only our kinds of love, nothing else, can set the spark.

PM ends.

 

[Vader]

I didn't ask you to take it to PMs because "passions were aroused", but because back-and-forth arguments between two people derail threads and bore everyone else to death.

 

[charlie clean]

Really? I didn't think there was anything personal or argument involved. But I'd hate to bore you. I'll shut up and let the thread return to purpose.

 

[Marmalade]

Could you not maybe take this to PM guys?

I didn't ask you to take it to PMs because "passions were aroused", but because back-and-forth arguments between two people derail threads and bore everyone else to death.

eh. No it doesn't.

honestly? it's worthwhile reading. that's coming from a genuinely nondramatastic viewpoint. this kinda exchange is valuable for a number of reasons. and slinging a label (such as 'boring' ) on it, doesn't do it justice.

either leave it be, or if you wanna don a ModHat (then fair play to you), give it a thread of its own at least.
restricting/retiring it to just pm's means i'm missing out on genuinely interesting and insightful info from 1st hand sources and perspectives I otherwise don't have access to.

... so please don't

[edit] cheers to all of j00s regardless x

Really? I didn't think there was anything personal or argument involved. But I'd hate to bore you. I'll shut up and let the thread return to purpose.

eh, i hope you don't. i liked reading what you and SHM's were discussing

 

[specialspack]

Man, don't take this to PMs. This sort of level of conversation is EADD at it's best.

 

[Kronos]

Aye, a really interesting read & really shows the intelligence of some posters

 

[Vader]

OK, the people have spoken, I rescind my request and apologise.

 

[amsterdam al]

Hi. Is there a drought in europe? First i've heard of it. There's some really strong gear here at the moment. Always is if you look around.

 

[egg_stacy]

Been looking in Leeds for a while but ain't ever got any good shit, back when I used to live in the North East it was everywhere!