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Rank most sedative drugs as sleep aids

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^ Yeah, and the sodium salt of GHB is the most common on the street. It also has a potassium salt and a magnesium salt and a couple of others. But GHB used in Xyrem is the sodium salt (sodium oxybate) and it's the one most found on the streets.
 
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Long time lurker, first (or second?) time poster - I had been taking 3 mgs of Klonopin every night for insomnia, panic attacks, night sweats, restless legs syndrome. It's a miracle drug against panic attacks, but I personally found it totally useless for insomnia. Every time I raised the issue with my doctor, he accused me of drug-seeking behavior, which seems very typical in LA right now. So a friend recommended that I add Valerian root to the mix, and it has done the trick. 2 x 450mg ground Valerian root capsules with 1.5 mg of Klonopin and I fall right asleep into a dreamless, deep, restful sleep. The best thing is that I tend to sleep only 4-5 hours a night, so I wake up automatically each morning at 6:30 AM feeling fresh and not groggy at all. I'm sure it doesn't work for everyone, but it's worth a shot if you haven't tried it, even though it smells like crap.

Tried Remeron (mirtazapine?) recently since doctor wants me off the clonazepam. 30mg pill. Took it one hour before bed. It was like someone clubbed me with a hammer. I was zoned out for 3 days. 36 hours after ingestion of 30mg, felt like I couldn't safely drive a car. Doctor said the side effects will last 2-4 weeks until my system adjusts, but honestly, it's kind of hard to explain to my work colleagues, my wife, and my children why I'm talking to them with my eyes closed.

Oh, and a general thank you for all the great posts and information over the years!!
 
Vioviv said:
Long time lurker, first (or second?) time poster - I had been taking 3 mgs of Klonopin every night for insomnia, panic attacks, night sweats, restless legs syndrome. It's a miracle drug against panic attacks, but I personally found it totally useless for insomnia. Every time I raised the issue with my doctor, he accused me of drug-seeking behavior, which seems very typical in LA right now. So a friend recommended that I add Valerian root to the mix, and it has done the trick. 2 x 450mg ground Valerian root capsules with 1.5 mg of Klonopin and I fall right asleep into a dreamless, deep, restful sleep. The best thing is that I tend to sleep only 4-5 hours a night, so I wake up automatically each morning at 6:30 AM feeling fresh and not groggy at all. I'm sure it doesn't work for everyone, but it's worth a shot if you haven't tried it, even though it smells like crap.

Tried Remeron (mirtazapine?) recently since doctor wants me off the clonazepam. 30mg pill. Took it one hour before bed. It was like someone clubbed me with a hammer. I was zoned out for 3 days. 36 hours after ingestion of 30mg, felt like I couldn't safely drive a car. Doctor said the side effects will last 2-4 weeks until my system adjusts, but honestly, it's kind of hard to explain to my work colleagues, my wife, and my children why I'm talking to them with my eyes closed.

Oh, and a general thank you for all the great posts and information over the years!!
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Welcome to Bluelight, Vioviv.

I'm surprised you found clonazepam to work great for panic attacks. I say this simply because unlike some other anxiolytics indicated for panic attacks (alprazolam, diazepam, etc), clonazepam has a slow cerebral uptake. In other words, it takes a while for it to kick in(up to an hour). It's great for GAD and SAD, but not so much with panic attacks. But the vast majority of anxiolytics are long-acting agents, with a few exceptions (lorazepam - this one has a prolonged peak time, alprazolam, oxazepam, and maybe one more that I can't think of right now).

If you go here to the Bluelight Benzo Conversion Chart you'll notice that most of the anxiolytics have a slower onset and longer peak times, while the hypnotics have fast onset and variable peak times depending on the half life of the particular hypnotic.
 
kokaino said:
Temazepam is an hypnotic prescribed only for severe to debilitating insombia, well that's what the international guideline says. You won't get something like temazepam for generalized anxiety disorder or social anxiety disorder - because you have to take those during the day and still be able to function (that's what alprazolam, clonazepam, lorazepam, bromazepam, and diazepam are for.

Temazepam has fast cerebral uptake. Therapeutic and supratherapeutic doses of the drug can manifest clinical effects of strong hypnosis, sedation, amnesia, and ataxia. So you can't take that and function during the day (unless of course you have a huge tolerance to benzos and then you can take just enough for you to be able to function and with the hypnotics the line between being functionall and totally out of it is very thin.
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I am Rx'd Temazepam for Chronic intermittent insomnia with the thought that GAD is the root cause. I have, also, an Rx for clonazepam which I can take during the day if needed however daytime anxiety hasn't been affecting me much at all lately. So, you can be RX'd Temazepam for GAD with the stipulations that it be used at night time. So as you said others benzos like Alprazolam or Clonazepam are a better fit for a general treatment of GAD but if the GAD is causing sleep disturbance then Alprazolam or Clonazepam alone may not suffice as the dosages needed for sedation at night may make tolerance too high such that day time dosages have to be increased as well.
 
mgrady3 said:
I am Rx'd Temazepam for Chronic intermittent insomnia with the thought that GAD is the root cause. I have, also, an Rx for clonazepam which I can take during the day if needed however daytime anxiety hasn't been affecting me much at all lately. So, you can be RX'd Temazepam for GAD with the stipulations that it be used at night time. So as you said others benzos like Alprazolam or Clonazepam are a better fit for a general treatment of GAD but if the GAD is causing sleep disturbance then Alprazolam or Clonazepam alone may not suffice as the dosages needed for sedation at night may make tolerance too high such that day time dosages have to be increased as well.
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You're prescribed clonazepam to take during the day, right?

The temazepam is prescribed for at bedtime, correct?

There you go, you've proved my point. Temazepam you take at bed time it's not a drug you can take for GAD during the day because they cause strong sedation, ataxia, amnesia and other serious effects. Temazepam (or any hypnotic benzo) cannot be given to you during daytime. They are strictly indicated for insomnia. That's it, it just depends on how severe your insomnia is.
 
I didn't mean to call you out personally just wanted to shed some insight into ways Temazepam and Clonazepam can be used for GAD.

I agree with you in that Temazepam won't be Rx'd for daytime usage for GAD jut wanted to add that it can (and is ) Rx'd for nighttime usage for GAD. In my case in particular both the Clonazepam and the Temazepam are to help with insomnia caused by underlying anxiety problems.

I am Rx'd both Temazepam and Clonazepam for night time usage, however it was suggested that I keep 1 or 2 clonazepam with me during the day as a "just in case" precaution because as you said Temazepam would be far too sedating for daytime usage, so here I fully agree with you.
 
benzos don work form severe insomina. sure it makes ya calm & get help ya get to sleep.

I know antipychotics havea got a bad wrap. but 5mg (olazapine) aka Zyprexa. I ake 5mg at nigh wich is a small dose. it had pills up to 20mg.

seroquel will knowck u the fuck out. so i may be a bit strong.

if u dont wann ago down that tract. the otc phenergan/promethazine is a weak antipychotics. (which blocks H1 receopts & dopamine receptoes) & i a strong antihistamine (which is good for allergies or to mix with ya opiates :)
which works just as well as 100mg quteiapine (seroquel) (checked conversion chart)
150mg of seroquel all have ya staagering to bed. they actualy sript it up tto 800mg a day. its insane. & they come in 300mg too
low does 5mg Zyprexa (they come in 20mg tabs but way to strong
5mg zprexa =75mg seroquel = approx 75mg phenargan

antipychotic are much stronger sedatives than benzos. benzos are the minor sedatives & antipychtoics are the major sedatives.

if u really wanna sleep. & not get high. antipychtoics are the way to go. just a small dose.

drs give seroquel like lollies but like i said phenergan/pronethazine is strong. i took the directions or the pack. 25mg-75mg. & i can tell u that 75mg will get u to slep & quick & its otc.

promathezine is a weak antipychotics cuzit touches mily the blocks dopamine recepters (which definew an antipychotic) not only is a it a great anithistamine (by blcoking histamine receptors which makes ya wanna sleep but the weak antipychotic effect.

I call it the weak antipychotic. & its OTC!

if u dont wanna go down the road of antipychotics. take promethazine otc. it blocks dopamine recepots so it makes it weak antipychotic & a strong sedating anithistamine for those opiate itchees ;) (cuz it block H1 receptors too which is sedating)

If phnergan isnt available where u live u could try doxylamine of diphenhyhdramine & imo phenergan is the best & it helps with allergies & itchessnes too.

u dont ned a scrip so just go to the phamacy. in autralia it's legal but not is some other counties.

the other sedating antihistamine work well but they dont block dopamine ehich makes it a weak antipyhotics.

the other sedating antihistamine only block H1 which still makes it sedating.

thats if ya serious aboutgeting some sleep & not just being calm. good thing is they arnt addictive.
 
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5mg zprexa =75mg seroquel 200mg
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I'm confused, does 5mg Zyprexa = 75mg of Seroquel or 200mg or Seroquel?

if u dont wanna go down the road of antipychotics. take promethazine otc. it blocks dopamine recepots so it makes it weak antipychotic & a strong sedating anithistamine for those opiate itchees
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Sadly promethazine isn't available OTC everywhere...
 
I thought temazepam was weak, but I took 20mg with a beer and I'm quite intoxicated.
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Is GHB rather effective? One of the few drugs I have never tried.
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GHB is probably the best GABAergic for getting to sleep fast. GHB acts on the GABA-B receptor unlike Benzodiazepines and most other GABAergics.

The only problem with GHB is that you need to redose as you will wake up after 4 hours due to dopamine rebound, and you will need to take another dose to get back to sleep. Other problems lie within its Addiction potential.
 
Anti-psychotics are superior to benzodiazepines for sleep in every way. For sleep benzodiazepines don't work for me unless I take high doses like 150mg Temazepam or 2mg Triazolam. I don't know if you would consider anti-psychotics as "sedatives" however they are "major" tranquilizers while the benzodiazepines are known as "minor" tranquilizers. You probably all know that. But give me "2" 100mg beautiful red caps of Secobarbital and I'm OUT of it all night. Not like I've got any, I used the last I ever had 10 years ago.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
I'm confused, does 5mg Zyprexa = 75mg of Seroquel or 200mg or Seroquel?



Sadly promethazine isn't available OTC everywhere...
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75mg seroquel is = to about 75mg promethazine.
i dont know where i read this. i surpized its otc.
2st tme i took prometh i couldnt keep my eyes open at 75mg.
box says take 1-3 25mg pills. way stronger than even 60mg temazepam imo.
although id much rather the temazepam but we're talking about sleep aids not pills that help ya relax.
 
loulou reed said:
I thought temazepam was weak, but I took 20mg with a beer and I'm quite intoxicated.
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Temazepam is one of the most powerful hypnotic benzodiazepines. International prescription guidelines indicate it for severe to debilitating insomnia. Check out the international prescription guideline here.
 
Supeudol said:
GHB is probably the best GABAergic for getting to sleep fast. GHB acts on the GABA-B receptor unlike Benzodiazepines and most other GABAergics.

The only problem with GHB is that you need to redose as you will wake up after 4 hours due to dopamine rebound, and you will need to take another dose to get back to sleep. Other problems lie within its Addiction potential.
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I don't find ghb addicting at all, even after continuous use for months...
 
kokaino said:
Temazepam is one of the most powerful hypnotic benzodiazepines. International prescription guidelines indicate it for severe to debilitating insomnia. Check out the international prescription guideline here.
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Yeah I know, but in fine I find temazepam rather weak, and i don't experience euphoria from it. Everyone's different regarding drugs ;)
 
Anti-psychotics aren't really supposed to be prescribed for sleep but these days many doctors are doing this and its becoming common practice. Anti-psychotics are supposed to be prescribed for major psychological disorders like bipolar mania, schizophrenia, psychosis, etc. There are too many side effects associated with anti-psychotics which is why they aren't supposed to be prescribed for something as small as insomnia. Its caused problems with my muscles that are similar to Parkinson's. I'm originally prescribed it for Bipolar, mainly because of a horrible psychotic episode where I had auditory hallucinations and extreme paranoia. Helping with my sleep is just a side effect of the drug.
 
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