Is it an extraordinary potion of enchantment?
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Is it an extraordinary potion of enchantment?
Dripping down my chin mate .
Naw. I've not bought a bottle this year as don't think it works anywhere near what he claims.
Ah yes, the "have cake and eat it" thing that never works because you're fighting your own neurochemistry and then hoping it doesn't fight back. Ain't gonna happen, sadly...
SpiralusSancti
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I still find really disappointing that out of all drugs out there so much work is put into making a better version out of one that should be simply used properly to be just fine. A glass or few of some fine booze along with food or in company of friends doesn’t need improvement. Beer and wine where I am can be advertised as they are considered a food product. And as sad it is that alcohol lobby managed to pull that out, well booz is both a drug and a food. Used moderately and if of good quality, it’s arguably a lot healthier food than some sweet soda drinks.
Only reason why there isn’t such a quest for better psychedelic, disso, stimulant, or opiod is cash, cash, cash. Hell I would even much rather see “cigarette in a pill” than drug acting like 2 – 3 units of alcohol.
And how the fuck could something that works like an alcohol that is drug, legal drug, be approved under blanket ban. Only with someone putting in a lot of money and connections and pulling out enormous profit out of it, that’s how.
Only reason why there isn’t such a quest for better psychedelic, disso, stimulant, or opiod is cash, cash, cash. Hell I would even much rather see “cigarette in a pill” than drug acting like 2 – 3 units of alcohol.
And how the fuck could something that works like an alcohol that is drug, legal drug, be approved under blanket ban. Only with someone putting in a lot of money and connections and pulling out enormous profit out of it, that’s how.
Think it's to do with the next generation avoiding alcohol. Low and no ...is the new craze. 2-3 units would definitely be low.
The alcohol as we know it had to come to an end one day, just so happens it looks like now or round the corner.
SpiralusSancti
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I don’t think alcohol is going anywhere in near future. When something can be produced as easy as it gets, is around for thousand years, is both drink in million versions and a drug that can be used from sub-threshold to full-trash amounts, is used as an sacrament or a tool in more than one religion, goes very nice with a lot of things, including other drugs….no, it ain’t going away.
And if something is going to replace alcohol I surely hope it ain’t gonna be similar to alcohol at all but rather some emphatogen or light psychedelic or stimulant for socializing or even non-addictive disso.. As for alcohol alternative, much better in effects and less damaging we already got it – GHB.
SpiralusSancti
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And since you’re probably gonna say how GHB is more dangerous than alcohol for average person. In that case why not go in direction on making something in that direction but better and safer.
But I don’t think GHB is more dangerous even for average Joe if not used with alcohol and if used in social setting with someone sober or at least experienced and responsible is measuring doses and acting as GHB bartender that tracks if someone is getting close to sleepy dose. Drinking virgin cocktails between shots of GHB is an option if someone really needs to sip something along chatting or whatever. Also if you ever tried GHB you know how it can like alcohol dosed anywhere from barely noticeable tipsy to high as fuck.
But I don’t think GHB is more dangerous even for average Joe if not used with alcohol and if used in social setting with someone sober or at least experienced and responsible is measuring doses and acting as GHB bartender that tracks if someone is getting close to sleepy dose. Drinking virgin cocktails between shots of GHB is an option if someone really needs to sip something along chatting or whatever. Also if you ever tried GHB you know how it can like alcohol dosed anywhere from barely noticeable tipsy to high as fuck.
Not going to say GHB is more dangerous than alcohol, because I agree with you.
I think you ll find that alcohol is about to get a rough ride very soon. It's been compared to the cigarette companies from the 70s and 80s timeline. Soon their advertising will be taken off them, anti adverts will increase, sponsorship removed, plain packaging etc...
All the brands will bring out zero percent ones , as most of them have been doing in the last 5 years. I predict they will bring out low ones as well ( say 1.8%) .
I think the above will happen with or without alcarelle on the market.
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Yep, and go over just a bit more than that and it's fatal. In doses of just a few more MLs. Also it can massively lower inhibitions, to an extent that could easily get people into trouble, way more than alcohol IME, and horniness goes off the scale too which could also be a problem in the wrong circumstances. Also because it feels so good, a lot better than alcohol, and makes music sound so fantastic, it's potentially very addictive.
I love GBL but I would definitely say that it is potentially more dangerous and problematic than alcohol.
I'm using GBL to mean the same thing as GHB, as GHB is meant to metabolise into GBL. Although I've only had one batch of GHB and it didn't work as well for me as most of the GBL I've had.
I love GBL but I would definitely say that it is potentially more dangerous and problematic than alcohol.
I'm using GBL to mean the same thing as GHB, as GHB is meant to metabolise into GBL. Although I've only had one batch of GHB and it didn't work as well for me as most of the GBL I've had.
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Bleaney
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Just a couple of ML more than the recreational dose. This is with GBL though, I think GHB is more dilute IIRC, although you can make it to your own strength by adding boiling water to the powder.
Oh right. Well maybe GHB is in fact more dangerous than alcohol after all then
.SpiralusSancti
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With GBL/GHB mix I had best time even under 0.5ml started working, 2 - 3ml was my sweet spot and sleep dose was >4ml (about dose prescribed for sleep anyway). And given I like to get really high and that 1.5ml is already a pretty strong dose (even too much for someone light not looking to get really high), if you look at it like an equivalent of 1l of strong wine (just million times better and stronger in every way), drinking a few more fast and that knocking you out ain’t that terrible or unexpected. In big part alcohol might seem to be safer only cuz of tolerance, as when I started drinking a bottle of whiskey fast could kill me without problem while now probably not, tho really wouldn’t want to try that out out and just chug it at once. Also when I used to do GBL/GHB I used to do way more than sleep dose over whole night, making it even less scary so to say. And overdose case I encountered was equivalent of amount of alcohol that no one, and I mean really no one would survive (but honestly I have no idea if that person was just lucky or it really proves how less toxic is it).
What I do agree is that GBL/GHB being more dangerous cuz it simply feels so much better but in that sense any good, worth trying, with a chance of wining, “alcohol 2.0” will be. I didn’t have bigger problems with it than with booze as it doesn’t bring bad emotions like alcohol sometimes does, but that’s an individual thing. And as for sexy effects, yeah I can imagine taking it with some witch ex and doing what I probably, or maybe wouldn’t after booze.
All said I still think GBL/GHB relatives with higher TI and less addictiveness are something much more worth looking into and building up, than wasting time emulating ethanol feeling without negative side-effects.
I wish I live somewhere where alcohol is loosing popularity. Didn’t know that’s a thing anywhere. I even saw some study how booze consumption increased somewhere flowing weed legalisation, and that didn’t surprise me at all given how when you get really high tolerance to weed a beer or few help.
What I do agree is that GBL/GHB being more dangerous cuz it simply feels so much better but in that sense any good, worth trying, with a chance of wining, “alcohol 2.0” will be. I didn’t have bigger problems with it than with booze as it doesn’t bring bad emotions like alcohol sometimes does, but that’s an individual thing. And as for sexy effects, yeah I can imagine taking it with some witch ex and doing what I probably, or maybe wouldn’t after booze.
All said I still think GBL/GHB relatives with higher TI and less addictiveness are something much more worth looking into and building up, than wasting time emulating ethanol feeling without negative side-effects.
I wish I live somewhere where alcohol is loosing popularity. Didn’t know that’s a thing anywhere. I even saw some study how booze consumption increased somewhere flowing weed legalisation, and that didn’t surprise me at all given how when you get really high tolerance to weed a beer or few help.
SpiralusSancti
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If you count from a really strong dose, yeah, not even double of that can be very dangerous and even it probably wouldn’t kill most people risk for even that outcome is real. If you count from threshold dose (like something that equivalent of few units of alcohol), not so much, you need to multiply that dose. But hardly anyone aims for “tipsy GHB/GBL dose” so in real world that doesn’t help much. I wonder is that up to drug itself or scene it hits? As would average Joe want to get high as fuck on it or just experience medium dose? After all it is pretty demonized drug, I would even say one of most demonized drugs out there and for average Joe, even one who does some drugs, taking “date rape drug” is big no.
Overdoses, rapes, comas, addiction are all presented as much as possible in case of GHB, while same when connected to alcohol are downplayed in importance.
The alcohol companies have been told not to advertise in sport. They get round the current ban by instead advertising the non alcoholic brand. So in the rugby in UK you will see GUINNESS.... 0.0 on the pitch or on the boards. They know that just getting the word Guinness out there is enough for the moment.
SpiralusSancti
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I guess I’m just really not informed about such things in UK. In my country sport events weren’t ever really used to advertised alcohol but I guess in part cuz there’s no need for that kind of advertising and drinking beer on, before and/or after football matches is really common thing. But I find it kind of lame that advertising of beer and wine is allowed as they fall in category of food products too, unlike hard liquors. Kind of shows how powerful is alcohol lobby.
Right now as far as harm to young people is considered I’m a bit more worried about how much and how early kids start drinking energy drinks. A doctor friend of mine said me that he had treated kids that are in such a deep problem with energy drink that it can be analogues to adults doing proper stimulants.