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Pre 2000 OxyContins.

Originally posted by ktx49
you never thought that maybe an ingredient in percocets could be potentiating the oxycodone??


No, to the best of my knowledge, acetaminophen does not potentiate opioids. You never asked that question; not once did you say "WHY is it doing this?". You only assert that because you (subjectively) think they are weaker; they MUST be. That is why I responded the way I did. While we're talking about this- tell us exactly:

1) How many times you've done this experiment?
2) The variables
3) Which brand of each did you have?
 
"so why such a drastic difference in high??"

damn dude you need glasses :)
 
I believe acetaminophen has been shown to mildly potentiate the analgesic properties, although I can't seem to find any sources at the moment. Either way, it wouldn't have an effect on the euphoria, that's for sure. Furthermore, if there was "some chemical in your body that potentiated oxycodone," do you really think it would be selective? Seriously, no one was trying to be rude but you weren't listening to a damn thing anyone was saying! Obviously there is some reason percocets effect you differently than oxycontins, whether it be placebo, not defeating the time release totally, or even losing some of the chemical when putting the powder into your mouth - but it's not because percocets are stronger, they contain the same drug!! While I won't speak for paradoxcycle, it looks to me like your post was edited because you were making ridiculous and potentially dangerous statements on a website that's about HARM REDUCTION and RESPONSIBLE DRUG USE. There is absolutely nothing responsible about daring or telling people to take LARGE AMOUNTS OF A VERY POTENT NARCOTIC ANALGESIC because you think it's weaker in a certain form. That is downright dangerous, not to mention immature.

Also, I think it is extremely disrespectful to tell paradox he sets a bad example for the forum, he does a damn fine job monitoring these threads! Yes, people do post pointless shit - you are one of them!
 
well, yes it may seem a little rude, but he did not choose to read everything i wrote before making some comments, and i just wish people would read a little more carefully.

i know there is a certain enzyme that potentiates oxy and certain other opiates, but it is also in the body naturally, so maybe i had an excess amount of it that night when i dosed....its just something i thought of off the top of my mind, its not my best theory :)
also, i just think commenting about something you didn't even get to read is a little out of line, you have no idea what was actually said, so please don't comment unless you saw it...plus like i said, i was telling someone to take their normal oxy dose but in the form of perocets instead of OCs, and see if they don't get higher.

later
 
Maybe the fact that you are leaving the time release material in the powder is contributing to the difference. SWIM gets the coating a little damp then peels it all off.
If the time release was still affecting the ingestion fri. night you may have had some in your system when you took the percs. making them seem more potent.
 
no i actually suck the coating off before crushing/chewing

and xxannxx:
you suggested i am losing product, but i usually just chew it up really good, so that i don't lose any on the table/glass/mirror...but if im snorting any, than obviously i lose just a little tiny amount, couldn't even be more than a couple mg....but lately, i havent been snorting any.
 
^I don't care how well you chew it up, you aren't going to get it all that way - there will obviously be some that isn't broken down/stuck in your teeth. That seems like it may be part of the problem. Cheers
 
Yea, chewin wouldn't even be the best way to break it up. SWIM uses a flat circular peice of metal and grinds it on a big piece of glass.
 
Originally posted by ktx49
you suggested i am losing product, but i usually just chew it up really good, so that i don't lose any on the table/glass/mirror....


So you actually chew them as if you were chewing food? That may be an explanation there as xxanxx mentioned.
 
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yes, i usually just suck the coating off and then chew it up really well...there might be a tiny piece or two stuck in my teeth for a minute, but i rinse it down well with some water....
i highly doubt im not defeating the time release...these are brand name OCs...if they were TEVAs or ENDO maybe, but these do not gel up at all, atleast in my experience.
 
^I don't think you aren't defeating the time release; I think that you're ingesting them differently than you do the Percocet and that is your explanation.

ANYWAY, to get back on track.. if anyone has any information about pre-2000 Oxycontin I would be interested in reading about it. The only thing I can think of is that the FDA grants 5 years of exclusive selling rights to any drug that wins its approval. After that, companies generally rely on patents to maintain the monopolies that allow them to charge high prices. Purdue's initial five years of exclusive selling rights ended in 2000.
 
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This might help those who crush up the generic 80's. After it's all crushed.Make sure it's as powdery as possible.Use either a credit card or a razor.Clean it out just like you would weed.Keep scooping it up and let the beads fall or roll away.Use a shoe box cover or something like it. Something with a rim or edge on it.It has to be there to catch the beads to save it for later.
You can just swallow the beads.You should be left with a very powdery pile.
This is all just an experiment of course.;)
 
^^ That would work (not 100%, but it would help) if the time release properties were in the coating (which it's not- the actual pill is composed of a wax-like matrix intended to release its contents slowly over a period of 10-12 hrs.). So, there are no beads to mess with (as in Kadian, or something).

So, just for the record-- the pill itself, if left whole, IS the time release mechanism- it's not in the coating, and there are no beads.
And, just for harm reduction's sake, if SWYM is planning on ever IV'ing these, don't suck off the coating, as your mouth is teeming w/ all kinds of "nasties" that you would definitely not want to introduce directly into your bloodstream.
Instead, lightly moisten a clean (very) cloth with distilled water & wipe the coating off with the cloth/towel. But, if you're planning on parachuting them or using them rectally, sucking off the coating would be alright. You just don't want to inject anything that has been in anyone's mouth, period. Not only might you get a case of "cotton fever", but it could also be a short trip to "endocarditis-land"...basically it's quite bad for you...that's all...:\
 
hmmmm

jdizzle said:
They also discontinued the 160's. Bastards
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hey jdizzle, where'd you get that avatar?

its the same avatar that a scammer named NEOSIS used on OP.
 
For Ktx:
I've always believed acetaminophen does potentiate opiate highs. I always take a dose of tylenol before chewing up an oxy...
 
ive seen all kinds of counterfeit pills from other countries like the 100mg viagra... they are real cheap and fake, but work simialar just weaker...

Would it be at all possible for the same people that make those, to make counterfeit oc80's??? I would think its possible because they make near perfect copies of everything else...

Anyone...

I was attributing my oc80's not work much at all just to tollereance, but when I think about it I haven't used oc at all in 2 yrs then when I start again with 1.5 80's first dose and get a slight buzz I just thought I needed more because I used to take them. now 2 weeks later I can take 5 80's crushed and swallowed and hardly feel a damn thing.... Tried 6 80's the other day and it just made me feel nauseaus.... No high at all....

Don't flame for my high intake, I realize that.... before this last 2 weeks I was taking less than 300mg mscontin per day... usually 240mg.... when I would take 360mg mscontin I felt great.. so that should give you some idea of where my tollerance was before this...
How could I possible take 480mg oc crushed and swallowed and hardly feel a damn thing....

I wouldn't doubt it at all they've found a way to make something similar to oc and put it in a tab that looks the same but is really just weaker or mabye hydo's.. or something...

Has anyone come accross counterfeit narcotics yet?
 
the viagra 100mg blue diamonds are ten dollars from the dr. when you can get the fake are three to five dollars depending on how many... even seen them offered at 2 dollars if you buy 1000 or more...

there must be someone able to make these too...
 
In my experience, the TEVAs aren't as bad as people make them out to be. I have had my share of TEVA 80s and they usualy rock my world. I do prefer the Purdues, of course. However, my experience with Endos, particularly Endo 40s has been very negative.

The Endo brand are way bigger and obviously contain a lot more crap then the others. It's weird because I always preferred the Endocet to other brands of IR oxycodone. Anyway, the person that I normally obtain OCs from usually gets the Endos now, although when she goes to different pharmacies, this sometimes varies.

Is there something she can tell the pharmacy so that they will give her another brand like IVAX ... I haven't had any bad experiences with these... I think she has gotten them on occassion.

In conclusion, Endo Oxycontin sucks ass IMO.
 
the ones I have are the green ones made in canada with 80 on one side and cdn on the other... they're purdues if you look at their info. in canada they don't put oc on them but cdn to show they're from canada...

But I'm not getting shit from these... and it really sucks...

Is there some enzyme that you can take before hand that helps metabalize these?

peace
 
try chugging some white grape fruit juice about 45 minutes before taking the pill
 
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