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Pre 2000 OxyContins.

no not true, it just gets released slowly....where do you think the oxycodone goes?? it doesn't vanish.
 
stayin alive said:
Im not saying that there isn't as much drug in the tevas. Im just saying when administered nasally, you only absorb about 1/4 as much.
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Actually, you do. If the pills were prepared hastily then perhaps some of the oxycodone would drip down into your stomach. Either way, these pills do work and everyone's experience may be different so there is no point in arguing about it. Cheers
 
January 2004 Purdue Pharma contracted with another pharmaceutical co. to produce the generic OC. The generic 80 mg are close to impossible to snort.There is a tiny bead in the pill that will "gel up" when it gets wet inside your nose. Turning the powder into a gooey mess. The brand name OC will always be available.You must have the dr write "no substitutions" in the script.Otherwise generic it is. Bummer
 
guys i have a wierd question....

i have some OC 20s, and some percocet 7.5s, how come the percocets are stronger??

i took 80mg in percocet/roxicodone last night, the night before i took 80mg in OCs, and i was wayyyyy more fucked up from the percocets.

i added up the amount of oxycodone, and it was basically the same, so why such a drastic difference in high?? i'm basically saying, that 80mg from these pills was too much, but 80mg in Oxycontin, is nothing. alas, i don't itch from brand name oxycontin, why? i was itching like a whore last night!
 
Originally posted by ktx49
guys i have a wierd question....

i have some OC 20s, and some percocet 7.5s, how come the percocets are stronger??

i took 80mg in percocet/roxicodone last night, the night before i took 80mg in OCs, and i was wayyyyy more fucked up from the percocets.

i added up the amount of oxycodone, and it was basically the same, so why such a drastic difference in high?? i'm basically saying, that 80mg from these pills was too much, but 80mg in Oxycontin, is nothing. alas, i don't itch from brand name oxycontin, why? i was itching like a whore last night!


I have no idea- it makes no sense being that they are the exact same drug. Are you ingesting them differently? The only difference between the two is essentially the APAP in the Percocet. Perhaps your tolerance has increased...
 
i chew up my OCs, so in theory, it should be identical...i know im not completely defeating the time release, but i chew them into a fine powder and swallow.

like i said, friday night i took 80mg in OxyContins, and i wasn't very fucked up. i took approx. 80mg in percocets last night, and was having trouble breathing at certain times. alcohol consumption was equal both friday and last night, so i'm not too sure...

thats just so wierd, considering my tolerance to oxycodone went skyward when i started buying OCs instead of percocets...now i wish i had stuck with these things, and just watched my tylenol intake.

and i know its not placebo, because i was itching REALLY bad last night, which is typical of a higher doses for me...when i take a tolerant dose, i don't usually itch, if at all. but i woke up this morning, and i have dead skin on my nose and face from itching them so much last night!!! 8o
 
maybe the oxycodone in the percs is being slightly potentiated by the APAP??? whereas w/oxycontin there is none......


idunno, just a thought....
 
nope, it is my opinion that OCs are weaker...you always hear of people able to snort THREE 80mg OCs
[EDIT- That's horrible advice, please don't recommend this in the future. HARM REDUCTION]
-Pdx
 
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so when you snort tevas you get the exact same amount of the drug in your bloodstream as purdues? I disagree. The tevas gel up and do not get absorbed through your nasal membrane. Some of the gelled up crap may drip to your stomach, but trust me, not anything close to 100%
 
ktx49 said:
nope, it is my opinion that OCs are weaker...you always hear of people able to snort THREE 80mg OCs.
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Good lord, don't dare people to do this! You must be joking, this could potentialy be fatal advice! They are THE SAME DRUG! There could be a couple explanations for some difference though....
The percocets have acetaminophen in them which does potentiate the analgesic properties a little bit, perhaps it has an effect on the euphoric properties as well..
Also, since oxycontins have a time release perhaps you just aren't defeating it well enough..
Either way, that is a ridiculous thing to post on a harm reduction message board!! Please, thinke before you type....
 
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stayin alive said:
so when you snort tevas you get the exact same amount of the drug in your bloodstream as purdues? I disagree. The tevas gel up and do not get absorbed through your nasal membrane. Some of the gelled up crap may drip to your stomach, but trust me, not anything close to 100%
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Not saying you get the EXACT same amount, but in my experience it is pretty damn close. There are a lot of variables such as how well the pills were prepared, how much snot is in your nose, etc. If your nose is very dry and these pills are prepared well then they are nearly indentical. Again, there is no need to argue about it because everyone's experience may be a little different, all I was commenting on was your statement that the TEVA's are only 1/4 as effective as the purdues. Cheers
 
Originally posted by ktx49
nope, it is my opinion that OCs are weaker


Either way, you're wrong. It's the EXACT SAME drug- oxycodone. You are either consuming them in an inefficient manner or your tolerance has increased.
 
rofl you guys cannot read on this forum and i swear i get reminded this every other day!!!
PLEASE READ! i said if someone takes 240mg of oxy in the form of THREE 80mg OCs(crushed...we arent talking about pain management), that they should try taking 24 percocet 10mg's, and see if they don't get a better effect...supposedly, that is the same amount of oxycodone, so how is that bad advice?? i did not tell an opiate niave person to pop 24 percs LOL....please read better before yall jump down my throat!!

wow, you REALLY think i didn't know they were the same drug??? this i know..LOL...thats why i was asking if there is a reason why oxycodone in the form of PERCOCETS, is stronger IMO...once again notice i said IMO! i have had plenty of oxycodone presribed to me, and i know when my tolerance is or isn't an issue. like i said, I TOOK THE SAME AMOUNT. 4x20mg=80mg and 10x7.5mg=75mg...that is pretty similar!! not to mention, i took the OCs on friday, and the percocets last night(saturday)...so even if tolerance was the culprit, it wouldn't make sense as i took the percocets after.
i promise guys, this is not placebo effect. i also occasionally snort my oxy, so defeating the time release is not really an issue, i've done plenty of OCs...
for some reason, maybe OCs don't hit me the same way or something? i have no plausible explanation for this, and i wouldn't have posted it in this thread if i didn't find it interesting. thats the only reason i suggested someone to try some percs instead of their usual OC doseage, and see if they didn't have a better effect.

TRUST ME GUYS, TRY THIS.

so in the name of harm reduction, if you have an oxy tolerance of say 40mg to get a nice high, instead of taking say 1 40mg OC crushed and swallowed/snorted, try 4 percocet-10s or whatever else in equivalent oxy doseage. it is my belief that OCs are weaker or have some anti-abuse measure that we are not aware of.
if you doubt me, try it for yourself.
 
Originally posted by soundphaRm
^^ Probably because you didn't completely defeat the time-release matrix, as with Percocet those are definitely IR..


^Listen to what soundphaRm is saying! You accuse others of "not reading" yet you continue to do the same. The only difference between the two is the time-release matrix in Oxycontin and the APAP in Percocet; they are the SAME narcotic!
 
ItchySkratchy said:
maybe the oxycodone in the percs is being slightly potentiated by the APAP??? whereas w/oxycontin there is none......


idunno, just a thought....
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Anyone have a source that would prove this to be true? I didn't know that apap affected oxycodone at all when taken with it.

Anyways, maybe if you snorted the previous nights and then took the percs orally then you would get more itching. I always get more itching when I take oxycodone orally than when I snort it.
 
nope i took both orally...i don't really dig snorting.

i cannot believe that a moderator of a forum can't read. 8( JESUS CHRIST I KNOW THEY ARE THE SAME DRUG. I KNOW THAT IN THEORY THERE SHOULD BE ZERO DIFFERENCE. I KNOW THESE THINGS, THAT IS WHY I POSTED!! man, please READ!! god damn you set a bad example for these forums....and yet you wonder why SO many people post pointless shit and do the exact same shit?? did you contribute ANYTHING through telling me that i'm wrong, AGAIN?

leave me alone man, you don't read and continue to say ingorant comments like "they are the same drug". A FIVE YEAR OLD COULD TELL ME THAT OXYCODONE=OXYCODONE...now an intelligent person would take my comment seriously, and try to suggest a plausible reason for this shit.

if i'm not breaking my OCs down right, then how do you do it?? generally, i put it under a dollar bill and CRUSH it with a lighter/ID card and either put the powder in water and drink, snort it, or parachute it....sometimes i chew them up completely in my mouth(ZERO CHUNKS....this is with BRAND NAME OXYCONTINS). if i'm not doing this right, then maybe that's why i get a better effect from the percs, but i doubt it considering i've been doing this for years now.

Please stop telling me pointless stuff.

its like everyone is so ready to post nothing of value, yet very few people ever post anything intelligent on here. just for example, i asked almost all of last week a basic question about methadone vs. bupe, and NOBODY on here can answer it...
yet i make a comment and CLEARLY state that it is MY OPINION, and i have 12 BLers(including a mod) ready to tell me WHY this can't happen. anyone can do that, it takes a brain to step out of the lines and actually think. you never thought that maybe an ingredient in percocets could be potentiating the oxycodone?? or maybe purdue DID put something to help prevent abuse? or maybe i had more of a certain chemical in my body that potentiates oxy when i took the percs?? NOPE, you're too eager to shove readily known information down BLers throats...why??

and please don't edit my post trying to make me look bad, i said nothing offensive in here, just the truth. if you don't like it, fine, but i really am frustrated here. i come here with a serious question/concern and this is what i get??

anyways, thanks to the few BLers who did try to offer something(synto, itchyskratchy, etc)
 
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