Post your pic vs. Testicular atrophy!!!

hey we should chill on the anabolic bashing train. Its no matter, really...we're not in competition (for girls) or anything important like that (:D)...there are no rules to this game we play, therefore its not cheating to use anabolics (as far as I see). I would say the best thing is to stay natural forever, hands down, but there's no reason to not be proud of your gains just because you used anabolics part of the way (it still required hard work).

as far as being constructively critical, D-termine, I suggest you get on a 3x3 program for the bench (bench 3 days a week and wave the intensity), your chest is really lacking compared to your arms (lol curl much? :D). I know nothing, but this guy knows a lot, search for: "Up your bench press 30 lbs in 30 days" (fucking brutal 4 week bench program that hands down works if you eat enough during it to make it through).
 
I can't just load up on test and cruise without hitting the gym for a period of inactivity. When you do this naturally you face a much higher rate of catabolism. Changing catabolism and anabolism levels with chemicals drastically changes the difficulty of what we are doing. I work harder than a person with a comparible physique who uses steroids. Period.
 
I agree, if you were in a competition together your gains would count for more (or should at least although sadly I do not think this is often recognized).

However, you're not in competition with him...you're just two dudes who like working out and making gains (one uses steroids the other doesn't). Thats that.
 
Well maybe my shit talking will push him to work harder at this, who knows. I'm of the belief that the human body is capable of far more than we can ever imagine. I dislike it when people use roids because they aren't giving their 100%. They are giving about 30% usually and getting a bit of progress and then saying "fuck it this takes too long" and start using roids to get further. Another problem I see with it is that if you are in it for the short term you never develop a lasting love for it and you don't develop a long term perspective. I am 2 yrs into my training program but this is only the beginning. I still see changes in my physique month after month and I can imagine where I can be 2 yrs or 4 yrs down the road if I keep my nose to the grindstone. If I jump on the roid wagon and juice up, sure my traps and arms might explode, my chest will inflate, or whatever I happen to focus on the most during that time, but I'll lack the natural symmetry and thickness that comes from years of grinding away at this sport. Pros often have that but that's only because they've used roids in conjunction with the yearly grind. Most novices I see who start roiding develop really mis proportioned physiques.

Anyway I wish him the best. i just think that people shouldn't start roiding until they can deadlifting atleast 550 or so pounds. I know that everybody isn't designed to deadlift. But lets be realistic, if your legs, core, back, and arms, aren't capable of pulling 550 off the ground as an adult male of age 23+ - you need to get in there and push it harder. It might take a few years til you can pull that weight but you'll have solid deep down man strength under your belt and when you do start juicing it will probably take you to a level you didn't think was possible.
 
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I agree with you completely. I think the attraction of steroids is the fast, quick way toward strength/mass. I also think, however, that true, deep and abiding strength and mass come from hard work and a focused/dedicated mind.
 
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Well maybe my shit talking will push him to work harder at this, who knows. I'm of the belief that the human body is capable of far more than we can ever imagine. I dislike it when people use roids because they aren't giving their 100%. They are giving about 30% usually and getting a bit of progress and then saying "fuck it this takes too long" and start using roids to get further. Another problem I see with it is that if you are in it for the short term you never develop a lasting love for it and you don't develop a long term perspective. I am 2 yrs into my training program but this is only the beginning. I still see changes in my physique month after month and I can imagine where I can be 2 yrs or 4 yrs down the road if I keep my nose to the grindstone. If I jump on the roid wagon and juice up, sure my traps and arms might explode, my chest will inflate, or whatever I happen to focus on the most during that time, but I'll lack the natural symmetry and thickness that comes from years of grinding away at this sport. Pros often have that but that's only because they've used roids in conjunction with the yearly grind. Most novices I see who start roiding develop really mis proportioned physiques.

Anyway I wish him the best. i just think that people shouldn't start roiding until they can deadlifting atleast 550 or so pounds. I know that everybody isn't designed to deadlift. But lets be realistic, if your legs, core, back, and arms, aren't capable of pulling 550 off the ground as an adult male of age 23+ - you need to get in there and push it harder. It might take a few years til you can pull that weight but you'll have solid deep down man strength under your belt and when you do start juicing it will probably take you to a level you didn't think was possible.
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You see, here's the thing. You're simply an insecure asshole like most guys who lift. Your genetics are vastly different than mine, and to be frank, I don't want to be a 250lbs heart attack waiting to happen. I wouldn't wish to look like you, nor share your pig headed attitude about life. I enjoy my frame, my size, my strength and athletic ability. Guys your size can't do shit but play football and run out of breath. I wouldn't want to be your size, ever. So kiss my ass, you guys can have your little anabolic section, I'll stick to other areas where ass clown straight edgers with an axe to grind don't frequent.
 
Too bad I'm in perfect health lol. I've had every blood test possible done, including a CT scan of my abdomen, etc. etc. just to make sure everything is fine (good insurance so it was all free). I can also run several miles without any issues. I'm 6'4" 255 and about 13% body fat. How is that a heart attack waiting to happen? Lol. The true irony is that of either of us, you are at more risk for having issues since steroids have been linked by studies to heart disease and high bad cholesterol and low good cholesterol levels. I'm assuming you think I'm unhealthy because you think I have a high body fat percent or something. I don't. My abs look identical to yours in your picture so I'd guesstimate us to both be about 13-15%.

As for your other points. Nope, I'm not insecure. In fact the only real reason I lift is because it makes me feel good and healthy. It also naturally reduces stress levels so that I'm an easy going guy at work and throughout my life. I don't really do it to look good - that's just an added benefit to me. As for you, you've already admitted that you do this to look good and that's why you could give a shit about running roids even when not lifting - because it gets you what you want for your physique.

Ultimately I wasn't even comparing our physiques. I was just kind of laughing at the fact that you trained and used roids for 4 years to get where you are at. You could have gotten there without dumping money on steroids and causing who knows what kind of negative effects to your body (hopefully none). I'm not trying to insult you (i know i have and for that I'm sorry). I'm just trying to say that you can get much further than where you are now without ever having used steroids (or using them in the future).
 
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D-termine said:
ass clown straight edgers with an axe to grind don't frequent.
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*darts eyes around looking for the straight-edgers*

g'damn i'm definitely not one =D

and I agree with aanelien's last point, d-termine if you want to maintain what you got now (and gain!) then just focus on hard work in the gym. Build a program around these lifts: squat, deadlift, bench, hang clean, OH press, and pullups.
 
TIME TO REVIVE THIS FUCKING THREAD......HERE'S SOME PICS I TOOK TODAY BEFORE MY ARM WORKOUT TONIGHT.....

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And sorry about the GRIMACE on this one lol

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Feedback? What should I work on?
 
^ duh

I don't know about ya'll (this might just be an atlanta thing), but my gym plays the most shittiest stupidest rap/r&b ever made...I need to blast dillinger escape plan on high volume to drown out that shit and every other stimuli in there (I'll take a quick break to track some ass across the room though sure).

here's a pic I just took, sorry its freaking blurry (can't get the flash thing to work). Its my abs, its a memorial to them, they are disappearing as some fat slowly adds to my body. Sigh...Rippetoe says abs are for pussies (ha!).

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omg PA your body seriously looks EXACTLY like mine! cept my arms are bigger no offense, and my abs are more chisled. But ur traps and pecks are MASSIVE....just like mine! lol.....nice look tho fo real.....

Oh and to annalien: why the fuck do u spend time on bluelight if u don't do drugs? god damn that pisses me off

But, you do have a great build and that de-termine guy looks hella unproportioned and unnatural and seems like a bitch ass....

damnit i wish i had a fucking scanner.....is there ne way to load pics off of my phone?!
 
oh and gaian....rap is my lifting music of choice!!!

gucci mane-my kitchen....gets me pumped as fuck.
 
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Totally agree....How should I go about this? More emphasis on the lats and try to lose some BF%??? More pullups and pushups should do the trick...Believe it or not, my abs are EXTREMELY strong, probably from all of the weighted ab shit I used to do...Again, abs are made in the kitchen......

I should post a pic of me after a Dexedrine binge, then my abs are chiseled, but I feel so weak when I lose BF%.....I prefer being around the 190-200lb mark...it seems like my immune system along with everything else is stronger....I'm on a quest to get massive!
 
lat pulldowns are better for me than pullups for the lats. somehow I can 'isolate' the lats and pull more with them when I'm doing that machine than with pullups.

but, that said, weighted pullups ftw
 
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