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Phenibut

Wow this stuffs pretty impressive considering its legality and relatively low profile.

Though I can't say I find it 'nootropic' or conducive to work at all.

It definitely elevates my mood, and gives me a greater confidence than usual. But makes me almost 'hyper' at times, and certainly in no state to concentrate on any sort of serious work.
 
I've never gotten hyper--I just find myself relaxed, worry free and with a pretty clear head to approach problems or maintain social interaction. It kind of lacks the benzo cloud[but does combine well with such...]

WayneRooney said:
Wow this stuffs pretty impressive considering its legality and relatively low profile.

Though I can't say I find it 'nootropic' or conducive to work at all.

It definitely elevates my mood, and gives me a greater confidence than usual. But makes me almost 'hyper' at times, and certainly in no state to concentrate on any sort of serious work.
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Bleuuuurgh I feel horrible today. Kinda like a hangover, but more shaky and less nausea. But my stomach hurts. Had 8 grams over the last 48 hours. Been taking 2 at time with 10-12hour intervals. No more for a few days anyway.

*goes to get benzos to prevent shaking.......
 
I take the stuff in much lower concentrations, 1g/day divided into 2 500mg doses. I will do this for 4 or 5 days and then cycle with 1g of Taurine, 1g L-Tryptophan, and 1g L-Theanine 2x/day (2g each/day). I'll stay on the amino acid cycle for 8-10 days. I'll also use honokiol and picamilon sporadically. Honokiol is an amazing anxiolytic, without observed withdrawal/rebound effects in mice or humans. In fact in one study, which I'm too lazy to find an abstract for, showed a tapering of effects over a week after abstaining (mice), while the control group given diazepam went into immediate withdrawals. It's also good for the liver and an antitumorigenic. This stuff is expensive. That's the only problem.

I've never really pushed the limits with Phenibut, I doubt I've ever taken more than 1.5g in a dose. It seems to work just fine in this cycle. I think this stuff is really dose dependent and isn't really suited for recreational usage. I also take 100mg/day lamotrigine(lamictal), 2mg/day clonazepam, and 300mg/day bupropion(welbutrin). I'm trying to slowly taper off the clonazepam. I was able to drop from 3mg/day to 2mg/day over night when I started this cycle. I figure if I cycle anxiolytic cocktails while tapering I should be able to do this painlessly. I just don't like being on benzos, I've been on 'em for 2 years and I don't want any long term affects. I probably will continue to use other anxiolytics in a cycled fashion in the long run though.

That being said, I think recreationally, phenibut does have a place as a potentator, that adds unique effects of it's own, for other fun substances. It's nice when combined with Kratom, various opioids, moderate amounts of alcohol. I'm talking about a 1g or less dose. I know I just advocated mixing depressants. Be careful. You don't want to stop breathing. One probably shouldn't have more than 5 drinks after taking a gram, or go blowing 45mg of oxy with no tolerance. Hehe.
 
This has been great for social anxiety and general calmness. It knocks you out when you first use it but after that initial dose, using once or twice a week its effects are less potent but still helps a lot. It's been a life-save a few times.
I just finished the 100g tub of PrimaForce powder that I bought about a year ago, but now it looks like you can't buy this brand in powder form anywhere in the UK anymore (wtf?!). I've tried so many sites and they're all sold out and say they're not getting any more in. :(
Am I likely to have any problems if I buy it from abroad and get it shipped in?
 
Not at all.

Google Phenibut 100g. It's still for sale here.
 
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Treacle said:
Not at all.

Google Phenibut 100g. It's still for sale here.
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Thanks, Treacle.
The primaforce powder is definitely no longer for sale here - I've googled and tried every store I could find. Some say on their site that they have it in stock but when you email to check they don't actually have it and looks like they never will again. Not sure why. :(
I wanted that one coz that's the one I've been using, but I might have to try another brand...
Thanks again.
 
1g is giving me a great glow right now, took it about 3.5 hours ago. started kicking in about an hour after taking the first 500mg. then i took 500mg more.

key word: subtle. %)

like others have said here before, great social lubricant, great to calm you down in many mild situations... had a pretty strong craving for opiates earlier (been clean from all illicit drugs for 4+ months, so opiate cravings are sharper than i have had so far in my recovery) and 1g phenibut obliterated the anxiety associated with those cravings, the craving itself, and got me positive thinking.

i take this stuff about 2-3 times a month, which is about whenever i remember that it exists and is OTC.
so no problems with dependence, but to those of you with past benzo/alcohol/GBL issues, a word of caution to yall.

:)
 
You could give etizolam a go as a benzo alternative. Many find it similar to diazepam (valium) It is legal in the UK and has a much shorter half life so you feel less groggy the next day. It is good for both anxiety and sleep. Dont have any info regarding addiction potential though...
 
Etizolam is probably about as addictive as Xanax - so massive addiction potential. Phenibut is really long lasting, and gives you one (or even two) proper sleeps, from one dose - depending on how much you take. Keeping it occasional is definitely for the best. I'm surprised people can feel a gramme, let alone 500mg. I found 2 grammes to be about right.
 
I'm a bit naive about this stuff but could it be used for Benzo withdrawal, from what I can see it would hit all the right receptors.

Could you just switch from Diaz to Phenibut in one shot and be OK, when I say OK I mean no seizures and not climbing the fekin walls.

I am aware that it may well be just swapping one addiction for another but a change is as good as a break ;)
 
Anyone got any idea what the equivalent dosages might be 10mgs of Diaz = ? also half life of Phenibut, I believe its quite long.

Has anyone actually tried swapping one for the other ?, I'm way past being bothered about the actual hit just trying to get off these damned Benzos and a change of scenery might be worth a shot, availability is much easier to.
 
Go easy with this. 2 grams is a recreational dose and it lasts for hours. I'm not sure if non recreational/low doses will help,i've never tried,only used it for the buzz,but cannot use for more than two,maybe three days before rebound anxiety and loopyness kicks in.

WHERES TREACLE? He is an expert on this kind of thing.
 
Rebound anxiety is not really an issue, I'm on diaz daily and working my way out of that hole, juts thought this might be a better option having rad a bit about it.

As long as I have something on me then if I got into real trouble with anxiety I could probably manage the situation, bearing in mind I'm also on Venlafaxine and quite used to GAD.

I'm just struggling with the taper and if I could switch chemicals juts to hold off the worst I'd probably be able to face the rest down, maybe I'll make a specific thread over in BDD or even ADD to get opinions on dose and if this is a route that would be considered safe. My main concern is having a seizure, the rest I can deal with.
 
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