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so far I'd say the quality of the high is better as well, pregab and benzo's seem to be a high that's fuller (best word I can thing of to explain).
Yeah there is a fantastic synergy with the 2 substances. They bounce off each other, and potentiate each other massively. Same as mixing a small dose of pregabs (100mg) with whisky ime.

Same as combining kratom with matcha tea powder, the synergy, and the sustained energy release is incredible.

Some people mix pregabs with opiates, I think I went through a phase of that, mixing pregabs with DHC and codeine etc, but the last time I tried that, the pregabs seemed to diminish the opiate high, rather than enhance it, Maybe I just took too much pregabs.

Someone else said that maybe a lot of the substances that appear for sale on these clearnet sites, have ended up on there as they failed quality control for being sold in the legit pharma trade. Seems totally plausible to me.

Easy to imagine some of the people in charge of disposing of substances that failed quality control, to be selling them on instead to these blacmarket sites and street dealers.
 
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imho anyone who mixes these with anything but weed is playing a dangerous game.

I've had very potent experiences mixing it with Heroin, weed, and once a small dose of Ketamine which I'll NOT do again.
Pregab in my experience seems to make whatever else you taken become very potent for some reason.

I've been so stoned when smoking weed with them for one example all I could do was get to bed & sit with my eyes closed & just "let go" as fighting the feeling was too much & made me feel very ill so I just had to "surrender" & when I did I learned a new level of being stoned.

Drinking on them is dangerous imho, I've blacked out several times when mixing them with Heroin & been on a nod for hours literally out of it like I'd smoked Spice.
 
imho anyone who mixes these with anything but weed is playing a dangerous game.
I was a combo king, everything I was taking was with something else.

I've calmed down a lot now, but still only do certain drugs in combos with others.....

dangerous game to play tbh
Pregab in my experience seems to make whatever else you taken become very potent for some reason.
yeah that's why I love it so much
Drinking on them is dangerous imho, I've blacked out several times when mixing them with Heroin & been on a nod for hours literally out of it like I'd smoked Spice.
drinking is dangerous on them yes, but being an alcoholic means I can handle it much better than others - be safe kids if you're going to do this, you need to know your limits, don't go getting smashed so you choke on your own vomit!
 
imho anyone who mixes these with anything but weed is playing a dangerous game.

I've had very potent experiences mixing it with Heroin, weed, and once a small dose of Ketamine which I'll NOT do again.
Pregab in my experience seems to make whatever else you taken become very potent for some reason.

I've been so stoned when smoking weed with them for one example all I could do was get to bed & sit with my eyes closed & just "let go" as fighting the feeling was too much & made me feel very ill so I just had to "surrender" & when I did I learned a new level of being stoned.

Drinking on them is dangerous imho, I've blacked out several times when mixing them with Heroin & been on a nod for hours literally out of it like I'd smoked Spice.
This is why I only take 100mg when mixing pregabs with whisky. The potentiation of each substance even from that small dose is enormous.
 
drinking is dangerous on them yes, but being an alcoholic means I can handle it much better than others
Doesn't GABA drugs help if you haven't had a drink that day or do the DT's knock it out the park & you become ill?
I've never had a booze addiction the most I've had was binges smoking PeeVee & Flakka & Heroin addiction so I know nothing about booze addiction & DT's.

The potentiation of each substance even from that small dose is enormous.
Some weed I got hadn't fully bloomed in the flowering stage & wasn't super strong so I collected all the yellow dust you get in your grinder & rolled a thick spliff & lit it up on 900mg of pregab, I smoked 2/3rd's of the Spliff & this feeling of a Wave breaking hit me, the stoned effect didn't come on till that moment & hit me like a brick I actually said a Prayer to "God" I spent the rest of the night with my eyes shut just fucking mashed beyond words.
The Way of the Explosive · Finley Quaye came on at one moment, for some reason Bass when high on pregab takes on a whole new quality for me, I feel it inside my body in a whole new way.
 
pregabs and weed can make music sound fantastic. Although I couldnt even get it together to find and play music I'd like, as the dose hit me stronger than expected, as happened last night.

I was in and out of sleep, but it was also after an early morning and a days work, and I'd have been tired anyway. I might have fared better if I'd had more sleep the night before, and hadnt got up so early on the day.

Pregabs and whisky also enhances music very nicely. Whisky gives music extra warmth and combined with pregab it does more than that.

I think pregabs are from the same broad family as GBL (IIRC) so the music enhancement would make sense. The effect comes on much more strongly with combos though, they bring that effect out more from the pregabs.
 
I think pregabs are from the same broad family as GBL (IIRC)
I can understand that from what I've read of GBL though never taken it myself.


I was in and out of sleep, but it was also after an early morning and a days work, and I'd have been tired anyway. I might have fared better if I'd had more sleep the night before, and hadnt got up so early on the day.
I'd pass out & fall to sleep, I've learned if I'm tired taking anything above 450mg makes me so tired I just sleep for hours & miss the "high" off them.
I've learned if I am going to take a nice dose I have to be fully refreshed from a good sleep, wake up around 9:00am & eat my dose then wait a while.

Pregabalin highs are becoming my #1 drug to use if I am honest, I will always RESPECT & LOVE Ketamine but Pregabs when you have a low tolerance in the right setting are truly amazing & they have my respect.
 
I was a combo king, everything I was taking was with something else.
I've also been pretty heavily into combos for a long time. It first started when I was at uni in the early 90s and could easily get amazing speed at that time. Combining speed with alcohol soon became a firm favourite.

And then in the RC era when I got into uppers and downers in a pretty big way, experimenting with various 'balancing acts' became a favourite pass time.

It continues to this day.

Although the easily available substances these days aren't as good as they were in the RC era, thanks to all of the good RCs getting banned.
 
Last time I looked in bulk pregabalin costs around $250/Kg.

I think what is more interesting is the like pregabalin, Pfizer invested a lot in a biosynthetic route to 4-methyl pregabalin which although we have no human data appears to be several times more potent based on animal models. I believe development was cancelled because it offered no clinical advantage i.e. the theraputic window was no bigger. It's covered by US Patent 6,833,392 but I think what is interesting is how pregabalin and 4-methyl pregabalin are transported into the brain and why almost all of the other candidates failed - they couldn't be transported in the same way.

Now don't forget, the woozy-loss-of-balance and indeed most of the psychoactivity of gabapentanoids are classed as 'side effects' so from the perspective of taking for non-medical reasons, 4MP may or may not be better on the same ladder as gabapentin --> pregabalin --> 4-methylpregabalin (?).

But even 4MP would still need to be taken in doses above 100mg i.e. despite the simplicity and legality of it's production, moving the sheer bulk (and putting it into capsules and blister-packs as who trusts an open cap) means it wouldn't appeal to vendors whose sole metric is potency.

I know in acute ovderdose gabapentanoids (alone) are fairly benign BUT something several times more potent MAY be less forgiving.
 
Doesn't GABA drugs help if you haven't had a drink that day or do the DT's knock it out the park & you become ill?
I'm not as bad an alcho that I get DTs thankfully, more that I'm honest with myself that I have a problem, I drink too much and too often, but I think most people would consider I like booze too much rather than I'm an alcho - they're wrong....
I think pregabs are from the same broad family as GBL (IIRC)
Sort of, in the sense that they can both slow down brain activity, but they're actually quite different drugs and work in different ways. Pregabalin doesn't directly act on GABA receptors; it reduces the release of some of the brain's excitatory chemicals. GBL is converted into GHB as you know, which mainly works through GABA-B receptors to reduce brain activity. So they affect the brain in different ways, but their effects can overlap and combining them can make the overall effects much stronger - hence all the HR warnings about combining CNS drugs.

More geeky explanation - Pregabalin doesn't directly act on GABA-A or GABA-B receptors; it binds to the α2δ subunit of voltage-gated calcium channels, reducing the release of several excitatory neurotransmitters. GBL is converted to GHB, whose pharmacological effects are predominantly mediated through GABA-B receptors (although GHB also has other targets).

how pregabalin and 4-methyl pregabalin are transported into the brain
I'm about 2 steps beyond my personal knowledge here, are you talking about amino-acid transport mechanisms rather than simply diffusion through lipid membranes?

also I think you've typo'd or misremembered the patent number, that 1 seems to be about a nano-filler performance in polymers, there seems to be quite a few related patents for 4-methyl though.
legality of it's production
well it still falls under PSA so "legal" to produce if not for human consumption....
moving the sheer bulk (and putting it into capsules and blister-packs as who trusts an open cap) means it wouldn't appeal to vendors whose sole metric is potency.
actully I think the bigger issue is just how easy and cheap it is to get pregabalin, there's no real need to bother with an analogue. no doubt there's always a market for something stronger, and people will buy powder rather than blister packs, but it's got to provide something more than what it replaces, maybe that's strength or profit margin, but given pregab tolerance build up it's maybe a bit self constraining with how much additional strength is useful, hmm not sure.

I took a quick look at 4-methyl and the other thing that's interesting is it's likely to have a longer duration of effect v pregab, 10-12 hours v pregab at 6, and ~2.5-3 times more potent.

I'll be honest 10-12 hours is a bit long for me, I mean at least it's not LSD so not as big a deal being locked into it when you'd rather stop and get off the bus, but I generally prefer to control/fine tune the duration and strength of effect by repeated redosing, and I think longer duration of effect has other risks like build up in your system with repeated use which when coupled with CNS issues when taking it with benzos (that have just that same build up risk themselves), potentially makes for a bit of a dangerous situation for some people.

having said all that.....given I take it a max of once per week I'd give it a try most likely (I'll ignore that it's only been tested on animals given I'm never likely to get my hands on any!)
 
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