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💂‍♂️ UK 💂‍♂️ Pharma Connoisseurs - What are the best brands available in the UK

2. Pregabalin - always generic indian, but a few suppliers now are shipping "UK" pharma supplied brands, are they better?
IMHO & direct lived experience Indian Pregabalin has a kick to it the UK stuff lacks.

I have no idea how they cook that stuff up in India but I would shake their "Chef" by the hand, in my experience & I've done a few Indian Pregabalin kicks in in 30 mins unlike UK stuff that takes 90 mins & It'll take your legs right from under you.
 
IMHO & direct lived experience Indian Pregabalin has a kick to it the UK stuff lacks.

I have no idea how they cook that stuff up in India but I would shake their "Chef" by the hand, in my experience & I've done a few Indian Pregabalin kicks in in 30 mins unlike UK stuff that takes 90 mins & It'll take your legs right from under you.
hmm that's interesting

I've only ever had the HAB stuff and that takes 90 mins to kick in if swallowed, have you tried?

this metamed is from a newish pharma, been around since 2022, they're only doing pretty basic stuff and acting as a 3rd party manufacturer. I'm not holding my hopes up for anything spectacular but thought it was worth a try for a change.
 
Woukdnt touch SSRI-SNRIs ever again, ive tried must of what the doctors prescribe. The are poison and a SHIT nedication, ive just been on the phone and to the GP, they can offer SSRIS for my anxiety.... What sort of bull shit is that! FOR ONE - they take 6-8 weeks to starts properly working... Who can but up with crippling anxiety for that long - no wonder theres so many suicides. Whats wrong with Lorazepam on top on the SSRIs just until they 'start working' but taper off the lorazepam. Easy! It will be more comfortable aswell but no.
yeah, SSRI was no use to me, I had a short term issue and good reasons not to take them given the downsides.

just needed instant help
 
I absolutely do not recommend ANY CNS depressant as time and time again clinicians are fed the same line 'non-addictive' and guess what?


The original 1993 edition was in truth out of date even when published (Palfium was a strictly 80s thing) but it got updated in 2010. It never contained chlormezanone simply because not even McDermott (or ML) had ever come across the stuff but my 1984 BNF certainly lists it as a sedative/muscle relaxant. I even asked my GP in the 80s and noted that they had never had cause to even consider prescribing the stuff. Had to look it up!

A quick Google will tell you that chlormezanone has a rare but particularly nasty side-effect. Now I sense that this MAY be due to sensitization but I say only MAY as I couldn't find case-studies that either supported or equally disputed my hypothesis.

But just like clomethazole (Heminevrin), for some reason chlormezanone has never been listed in the MoDA which is proof of nothing, given that LSD and heroin are both class A drugs. So it isn't safety!

The fact that it binds at the same site as the benzodiazepines thus is an allosteric modulator is no proof of inherent safety. In fact, especially given the typical prescription doses and the little I was able to infer suggests the chlormezanone acts in a manner similar to the barbiturates but is in fact LESS selective.

I hope you all take the time to read the booklet as I know ML does put in a tremendous amount of work to get it right, just as Dr. Nuke (RIP) did. They were always paranoid that they would get something wrong but in fact, I couldn't find fault in their works. That proves nothing - I am fallable; likely more than most.
 
Woukdnt touch SSRI-SNRIs ever again, ive tried must of what the doctors prescribe. The are poison and a SHIT nedication, ive just been on the phone and to the GP, they can offer SSRIS for my anxiety.... What sort of bull shit is that! FOR ONE - they take 6-8 weeks to starts properly working... Who can but up with crippling anxiety for that long - no wonder theres so many suicides. Whats wrong with Lorazepam on top on the SSRIs just until they 'start working' but taper off the lorazepam. Easy! It will be more comfortable aswell but no.
Apparently anxiety can worsen with some SSRI's. I think there was a prescribing regime where docs would give low dose benzo at start SSRI to compensate for this.
 
I've only ever had the HAB stuff and that takes 90 mins to kick in if swallowed, have you tried?
What does HAB mean?
Yeah all my Pregab experiences they have taken 90 mins to start, only once when I was so hungry & had not eaten anything in 20 hours I took 2X 300mg in one go, that kicked in STRONG by 30 mins, by 45 mins I was "fackin moshed" on 'em.
 
HAB are an Indian pharma company

You are well versed in Pregab abuse, I am still at Primary School compared to you.

Ever had RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome) from doing to much Pregab?
If you ever had an Opiate issue it's the same feeling you get in your legs, they twitch & feel like you have ants inside your skin, you CANNOT get away from the feeling inside them & it's a horrible thing to have.

I am starting to see the Darkside to Pregabs & it's not a nice picture.
 
thankfully I've managed to avoid abusing them too hard, managed to keep it to once a week.

yes I get RLS, not too bad that other people notice it though, I don't find it a big issue, pregab clear effects me in a different way to you, the RLS is much more a function of have loads of energy when I take pregab, shit I can clean the entire house and make a 3 course dinner for 10 people when I'm on it if I don't have a bit of diazapam to calm me down.
 
pregab clear effects me in a different way to you
I was just about to say that, is that normal in having such a huge gap in the effect it has on me compared to you?
a function of have loads of energy when I take pregab, shit I can clean the entire house and make a 3 course dinner for 10 people when I'm on it if I don't have a bit of diazapam to calm me down.
My God, for me it's hard to even stand up to take a piss.
The first thing I know they are working is they make my vision go a little weird, it's hard to express in words but it's like what I am viewing is a second behind the words being spoken.
The next thing I know is I feel my legs go "loose" if you ever had a Heroin or Opiate issue it's 100% the same feeling when you are dopesick & you have that 2nd line of Heroin, blow it out & you feel your legs go loose & you give praises to your dealer & God the Heroin is good quality.

You ever mixed Pregab with Opiates?
IMHO & Direct Lived Experience you let pregab kick in very well, say give it 2.5 hours after eating them then you smoke some good smack your head will be in your knees very soon & the whole day passes by in a blink, it's 11am & the sun is up, the next thing you know it's 4pm & then it's all of a sudden 11pm at night :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:❤️❤️❤️
 
I was just about to say that, is that normal in having such a huge gap in the effect it has on me compared to you?
IIRC I think pregab is 1 of those drugs known for producing a range of different effects in people.

even ignoring other tolerance/GABA you're taking/CNS differences.

something to do with difference in calcium channels between people I think, but will need someone with more knowledge than me to explain it!

My God, for me it's hard to even stand up to take a piss.
The first thing I know they are working is they make my vision go a little weird, it's hard to express in words but it's like what I am viewing is a second behind the words being spoken.
sounds a bit like the SOMA shuffle.

maybe I should give them a try with some mogadon!

The next thing I know is I feel my legs go "loose" if you ever had a Heroin or Opiate issue it's 100% the same feeling when you are dopesick & you have that 2nd line of Heroin, blow it out & you feel your legs go loose & you give praises to your dealer & God the Heroin is good quality.

You ever mixed Pregab with Opiates?
IMHO & Direct Lived Experience you let pregab kick in very well, say give it 2.5 hours after eating them then you smoke some good smack your head will be in your knees very soon & the whole day passes by in a blink, it's 11am & the sun is up, the next thing you know it's 4pm & then it's all of a sudden 11pm at night :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:❤️❤️❤️
never been an opiate user, I know I will like it too much!

saving it for a rainy day
 
maybe I should give them a try with some mogadon!
LMAO
My God that stuff sounds quite a Benzo.

I only found out a few days ago Mogadon is nitrazepam, it's been on my "bucket list" of drugs to try before I die since my mid teenage years. I had N,N DMT & 5-MeO-DMT on there too but I got to cross those both off a few years ago & the only one left was Mogadon. A random dog I spoke to a few days ago helped me out & I have access to a whole shop of Benzo type drugs now, it ranges from A-Z (alprazolam to zopiclone) so next payment off the sate I get 30 Mogadon at 5mg each. @Bleaney who seems to really know their stuff when it comes to Benzo drugs said about Mogadon a few days ago in reply to me & I saw a few posts made by @Shambles about that stuff too, he said it has some real length to the effects & from what he said the word "Mogadon" sounds 100% fitting, you can just see a guy totally "monged out" on that stuff.


never been an opiate user
My advice is if you never got into it DON'T try it.
I am so jealous of people who can eat 240mg of DHC & get fackin moshed, I can wash 240mg of DHC down with 40mg Oral Moprhine & start to sneeze, yawn, have RLS syndrome etc in less than 6 hours.
I have actually done that dose with the DHC & Morphine before a few times, all it did was stop me from being sick for a few hours.
I had 250mcg of NHS Fent I.V. when in hospital, the nurses were all shocked when I said I was in pain again after 3 hours of that dose, they gave me oral morphine too right after the I.V. shot of Fent, the one nurse said "anybody else would be sleeping yet this man is wide awake saying his in more pain after he has taken Fentanyl. It was at that moment I think they all twigged I have a huge tolerance for Heroin & they were quite shy about giving my more medicine "to help with the pain"
 
Thanks @Zopiclone bandit for your kind words. I'm no 'authority on the subject' but I'm often reading or listening to what other people have to say about various aspects and angles of the subject, and there's always something new to be learnt.

The best way I could describe things really, imho, is that Nitrazepam is to benzos, as whisky is to alcohol.

It's not just that they are often regarded as having the most powerful effects of their type, but imo Nitrazepam actually has a similar kind of kick and buzz to whisky imo. It's hard to put into words any further, but it definitely works much better as a 'once in a blue moon' thing, as it then seems to capture your GABA receptors by surprise, as if they have forgotten how to deal with it, and the buzz hits all the sweeter.

Same for whisky too tbh. Take those things too often though, and that magic quickly disappears.

You'd know about the risks of combining benzos with opiates. Especially if you don't have a benzo tolerance, I'd be wary about taking the Nitraz at the peak of any heroin dose. It'd probably be better and safer as a 'booster' when the peak of the heroin has subsided. Ideally totally seperately if possible, but then if you're in heroin W/D, the nitraz would probably do nothing but knock you out cold for several hours, depending on the dose.

@ everyone / anyone else reading; since this thread is about brands, has anyone found a good alternative brand of Nitrazepam, now that those huge, ever reliable, Arnite pills no longer seem to be available? For about 10 years they seemed to be the ONLY brand you could get, which was no problem as they were always great. But suddenly over the last year or so, not one vendor that I know of has the Arnites any more.
 
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Thanks @Zopiclone bandit for your kind words. I'm no 'authority on the subject' but I'm often reading or listening to what other people have to say about various aspects and angles of the subject, and there's always something new to be learnt.

The best way I could describe things really, imho, is that Nitrazepam is to benzos, as whisky is to alcohol.

It's not just that they are often regarded as having the most powerful effects of their type, but imo Nitrazepam actually has a similar kind of kick and buzz to whisky imo. It's hard to put into words any further, but it definitely works much better as a 'once in a blue moon' thing, as it then seems to capture your GABA receptors by surprise, as if they have forgotten how to deal with it, and the buzz hits all the sweeter.

Same for whisky too tbh. Take those things too often though, and that magic quickly disappears.

You'd know about the risks of combining benzos with opiates. Especially if you don't have a benzo tolerance, I'd be wary about taking the Nitraz at the peak of any heroin dose. It'd probably be better and safer as a 'booster' when the peak of the heroin has subsided. Ideally totally seperately if possible, but then if you're in heroin W/D, the nitraz would probably do nothing but knock you out cold for several hours, depending on the dose.

@ everyone / anyone else reading; since this thread is about brands, has anyone found a good alternative brand of Nitrazepam, now that those huge, ever reliable, Arnite pills no longer seem to be available? For about 10 years they seemed to be the ONLY brand you could get, which was no problem as they were always great. But suddenly over the last year or so, not one vendor that I know of has the Arnites any more.
I like Accord the best but can only get 5mg. They're decent.

The cheap Indian Elza 10mg and 5mg Noctin are alright. But given the chance I'd pay a little extra and get the Accord.
 
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