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Since January I have probably taken... about 40 pills, most of them were march-may. I have noticed the convoluted speech most people have mentiond, I loose my train of thought when speaking very easily. I have also noticed that my ability to think HAS NOT been impaired. I am a comp sci major, and if I did loose my thoughts easily I would be in Major trouble. I need my ability to think things through, and it has gone anywahere, and I do not see it either. I also have found myself more enlightened and loving of people. I am so much more open mineded then I was beofre, and a much better person because of E. I think everyone should be required to take at least one pill in thier life, preferably more:-) Unfortunatly I am one of the poeple whose liver is genetically suceptable to damage from E.. so I don;t know what to do yet... I love rolling, but I really need to start being careful. I will never forget my rolls and will always be thankful for them. I am forever a changed and better person for them.
Peace from Philly,
Mike
 
Ellusion mentioned above, the "positive" effect of using ecstacy :
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"The only permanant "damage" I have had from drugs is a positive view and personality of life. I wouldnt consider it bad in any way. Without drugs I would probably be some angry coffee kid snortin coke and discussing whats wrong with the world"
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I think thats sad that you say without drugs you'd be that. Life is about discovery, we are supposed to discover who we are, and gain a positive view on life - without drugs. I think taking drugs before finding out who you are and having a positive view on life is wrong. I say it is cheating life. I don't think anyone should be taking ecstacy without firmly knowing who they are and why they are here - I know Ecstacy may help people gain a positive outlook on life, but personally, i believe we must strive for those things naturally, put hard work into our thought and our life and become positive human beings - then get droppin'!
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well, Before i ever set eyes apon my friend, E, i was pretty quick to think- could recall things down to fine detail
years down the road, i know find my self getting up to go and get a drink, but when i get to the kitchen- the reason why i went escapes me, that is not actually uncommon among people- but it has happened A LOT to me, is actually quite amusing- altho, annoying as i sit down 5 mins later remember
my memory now is still, well i can recall events pretty well, but unless it is a big rave that i can see things with dates, i don't remember when i did stuff, i do- but not all the time
i also have trouble getting words out in any order that makes sense, when put under any pressure at all
but when it is brought on due to my will to speak bullshit...(hehe) comes fine
this is not to a HUGE extent, just something i have noticed
altho
we all must admit- is better than the effects of smoking or dinking, inplace of e'ing
so lets just be thankful we have the knowledge to be wise in what we do, and still have shit loads of fun............
YEAH!!!!
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I have a sup-rise for you......... Come in and see..Big boy........*bang*
[runs for the door as the blood runs rapid, after a thud to the floor]
 
elllusion, i don't think we are speaking about the signs of ageing here, they generally happen over a long timespan, and as you can see from the posts, almost everyone talks about acute speech and memory problems!!!at the average age of BL ( i assume it is around the midtwenties) that is not a sign of 'normal' deterioration (wear and tear , so to speak)!!!!if you like it or not, drugs come with a price!!
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sorry to burst your bubble......meff
 
My only noticeable side effect of E (knock on wood)has been more of an attitude effect than a physical one. I want to do it all too often.
I look out at something and think "Gawd would that be frikkin BEAUTIFUL if I was rolling!" Or sometimes think that whatever I was doing would be enhanced by some MDMA.
It's kind of a bummer, I feel like I've somehow tarnished my view of things. Somethings just don't seem as cool, becuase you know that you could experience them better (views, tuching, music, etc.) while rolling. And you know you're just not going to enjoy them as much as you did on a tab.
It's like I went to the optomotrist, got a pair of glasses, and finally got to see the world at its best. But now I've lost my glasses, and can't afford new ones.
Just my 2 cents.
-Hatboi
 
Emotional control is the most biggest problem from XTC and it seem to be permanent effect to me, last 2years i rave about 5days a week, in short term effect it seem so many such depressed, lazy, bored, exhaustion, high confident,anxiety, behavior changing and etc.
now I had stoped it for a year, and the only problem that i still facing is emotional control and a little of XTC desired.
 
*** NEGATIVES ***
short term - when taking e for the wrong reasons (to escape my woes) i really struggle in the following days with depression etc. if i take it for the 'right' reasons (as a social lubricant) then i come down fine and after a big sleep i'm back to normal. i now avoid speed as it makes me paranoid.
i find that 5-HTP post roll is of great benefit to me.
long term - have noticed that my writing skills have dropped off a bit (messy) and that i skip letters and then go back to fill them in. i.e. if i spelt my name i would write 'p nk' and then go back and fill in the 'i'.
if i roll to 'excess', ie 3-5 pills per weekend for 4+ weekends in a row, then i become very tolerant to e. a short break, 2-4 weeks, seems me to bring me back to getting the most out of it. so i plan my socialising to avoid excess e intake now.
*** POSITIVES ***
i'm a lot more tolerant and accepting of 'different' people and situations now.
i find that i don't get as stressed as much as i used to.
i'm a lot fitter from all the dancing.
i now know a lot of great people.
i have a much more relaxed view of life.
a bit like pavlovs's dogs, i find that hearing some good thumping techno music now gives me e type shivers down my spine and puts a big smile on my face, and gives me a sence of general well being and contentment.
take care and play safe.
 
Definitly the memory. I forget alot of shit that has just been told to me. I also see shit sometimes. But thats bout it. I am not a heavy user though so thats probably why i dont have alot of side affects. Sometimes my wholebody gets light for bout 2 seconds. Its phat. PEACE
 
Well... I've had no adverse side affects from E, but DUSTER... that's another story. I started huffing the shit on occasion for mere recreational purposes during the summer of 1998, and by late 1999 I found myself in the midst of a detrimental addiction to this lovely yellow can. Being only 16 years old (15 then) this is pretty damned sad. Permanent damage has definately been done. I would huff atleast 4 cans by myself a week. Now, every so often, I go deaf in my left ear and get a horrid buzzing sound going through my other. I'm pretty sure it did a bit of damage to my nervous system also. I used to be cold, all the damned time... whether it was 20 degrees out, or 90. NEwai.. I suggest you all stay awai from this shit. Sure it's funny to hear your own voice mimicking something demonic during the first few seconds after your rendevous with "big yeller"... but in the long run, it can fuck more shit up than imaginable. I think I was legally dead twice. ::shrug:: pathetic, I am.
 
Question to all....
How long have you been rolling before you've started to notice these effects....loss of memory, speech, etc...???
I'm curious, cause I rolled for my first time a few days ago. After readings these posts, I may want to reconsider about droppin anymore. I work with computers, and I am required to remember a lot of details.
Confuzed...
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Life is too short to be serious...
 
Eshark:
I noticed a loss of memory and a general "fuzz" in my cognitive ability probably after my third or fourth time. Bear in mind though, I rolled these 3 or 4 times in the span of two months which, in my opinion, is far too much.
I'm interested to hear from those of you who only roll once every other month or so if YOU have any permanent side effects. Like I said earlier, once I take an E-holiday for a month or so, I feel much more "with it" and stronger mentally, although I still have problems with memory.
"Feels so diggity diggity diggity diggity rolling on that ecstaseeeeeeeeee......ahhhhh."
 
I've been smoking herb off an on for 12 years now. The last 6 years I've smoked pretty much every weekend. I've noticed a short term memory loss but the benefits of creativity brought on by a change in perspective out weighed the downside.
I've rolled twice but the only big negative I see so far are the constant thoughts about past and future parties. I did space the rolls out at 4 weeks (thanks to bluelight and ecstasy.org).
The upside to e though is my big increase in tolerance and problem solving ability. You wouldn't believe what a change in views of what is important, tolerance, and perspective gives you when problem solving. It seems like I get to the heart of the matter so quick.
I also have problems with verbal fluidity but that is helped with strong coffee. I don't recommend hitting the caffiene morning, noon, and night but only when quick thought and verbal skills need to be their strongest.
Maybe all of this is not due to neurotoxicity any more than changing what is important to you. I do find a short term memory important but maybe the facts that are thrown at me are not as important so I don't retain them
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Has anybody tried SSRI dosing after peaking? Does it help with memory, verbal ability, and that special cracked out feeling the next day?
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[This message has been edited by ekstazo (edited 13 July 2000).]
 
well.........i have been smoking for a year straight, every day....well, so my short term memory isnt so hot. as for E, i think all that has hapened is that i LOVE any type of rave music. i will just go into this dayz and love life for like a couple minutes. its just like a free role. weed will do this too, its like i role again for a couple minutes.....free, and with no being strung out the next day (f-the morning!! love the night!!). well im out, gotta a fatty roled for a night cap
~peace
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blaze one!!!
 
Here's my theory...
I have found that post-loading w/10mg prozac is the best way to avoid the e-tard blues. Within an hour after taking the 'zac, I can feel it absorbing into my brain and counteracting the drug... no MDMA brain-burn headache, and the best part is that the roll never seems to stop. All the serotonin dumped into my synapses just stays there, trapped by the SSRI. After the first time I rolled, I was ecstatically happy (pun intended) for two days, now every time I roll I take a prozac at the peak and another one 12 hours later and I never come down. It's a smooth ride back to reality.
I think that doctors who prescribe prozac should also give their patients a dose of MDMA to take right before they start the SSRI. Then they would feel really great, permanently. The doctors should take some too...
 
I have found that smoking strong weed can cause me to feel tense and panicky if I am in the wrong mindset. Certainly I have noticed the "foggy-headed" effect of smoking too frequently at times, which has lead me to really limit my use during school. Over the summer, however, I am still puffing a few times a week. I have become discriminating about what sort of weed I'll smoke, no more schwag for this brain. I am convinced that there is a strong connection between the quality of the pot one smokes and the effects on linear thought and short-term memory. Furthermore, smoking good weed is healthier physically because it is not necessary to smoke as much to catch a buzz.
As to E, I am very moderate in my usage. The shortest time I will allow between rolls is a month. Still, even with 5HTP I find that for a few days after a roll I will feel slower than usual and have a shorter attention span. Anyone who rolls more frequently is neglecting to consider the longterm effects that could have serious repercussions on the future.
Be safe!
 
Algorythm, cool info on the 'zac! How long have you been doing this? Have you noticed any seratonin receptor downgrading? I mean with that electron microscope
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Seriously, are your rolls as good now since the first time you tried it with 'zac?
 
Let's see..
I'm almost underweight - check
My short term memory is sometimes bad - check
I have trouble speaking (I stutter AND I have trouble remembering words) - check (often I remember the word I'm looking for in English but not in my native Finnish, which is extra weird)
Thing is, I've had all these problems for a long time, from way before I started using any drugs. They're not that serious, for example usually I'm able to express myself perfectly well. Still, if there is a possibility of E making things worse.. damn, seems like I'll have to consider this rolling thing all over again..
 
Update on Superaver: After not rolling for 3 and a half weeks all of the speech and memory effects are gone except for the occassional stutter. I'm completely back to normal and feeling Great! Now that I know these effects are not permanent. I am ready to roll again.
Peace
 
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