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I missed some messages earlier apparently...

Still early days for you brother! Benzos are always an option, that's way too late for me, when stimulating drugs are in play I don't feel guilty dosing some etizolam.

Maybe if I stopped hanging around here and stopped binging The Wire for the 4th time......

Alcohol is the name of the game tonight :P I'd probably use etizolam if I had some, though. I also do the same of not feeling guilty if it's being used to regulate sleep.

I'm interested to know if anyone has seen or experienced personality disturbances with overuse of psychedelics and cannabis? She takes a DAILY macrodose of psilocybin (200mg), THC (10 - 25 mg), with frequent ketamine spray, on a daily basis and taking a full dose of MDMA or LSD or mushrooms once a week. My partner has been doing this for several months and I notice that she has become increasingly agitated, negative and fearful. On MDMA she is often in a good place but when she goes back to an agitated state the next day.

She believes she is healing herself and using these substances to grow, and I support her growth, but I worry that she may becoming unhinged. She also says she needs it to manage pain. When I try to talk with her about this she shuts it down and gets angry and defensive. She is a smart, beautiful woman and she often has brilliant insights from her psychedelic use. Taking psychedelics this often can be an escape, not much different than someone who can't get through the day without a crutch. I am noticing that her frame or schema is getting distorted, like everything is filtered through broken glass. Kind of like a mild psychotic state. She also has an active kundalini. The combination of these substances might be the issue or it might just be her.

Please weigh in if you have any thoughts

You seem clear that it's not helping but harming her, and I would trust that first and foremost. If I was to weigh in personally I'd say the increasing agitation while sober and the defensiveness when talked about are red flags and likely indicative of an unhealthy progression.

Maybe, she is getting defensive because she requires a greater level of reflection and appreciation of the good that the drugs have done / are doing for her than you are currently giving her. Which would make sense, as you wouldn't naturally be encouraging and appreciative of her consciousness expansion if there are negative effects happening elsewhere. So maybe before you go full on "something needs to change" mode, you try being even more understanding, appreciative, and reflective of the positive effects that have transpired. See if that opens her up more, and then, staying fully in touch with the positivity that is there, you attempt broaching the potential of negativity also transpiring.

I have never tried AMT and I'm interested. When you say using it too often exacts a serious toll, what is your experience?

Like Xorkoth said, it's a triple releaser, so like MDMA, but even more, using it regularly will lead to quite drastic bio- and neurological detriments. The MDMA once every three months rule? That technically applies to aMT.
 
was wondering why i had no energy. turns out my mate i was smoking with came down with a cold but i seem to be fighting it off for now i did feel a little run down just super tired.

Did nothing this weekend productive. O well have to work really hard this coming week Smoking only a few times a week gets my psychedelic experince of weed intact.

Was lying in bed at 2 am tripping fucking balls at the light coming through the blinds.
 
Talk about a heroic dose! I admire your courage to step into that frame and wear it for 23 hours and the next few days. I was interested that you used a benzo to take the edge off the next day. I can almost feel you getting your calm back.

I'm interested to know if anyone has seen or experienced personality disturbances with overuse of psychedelics and cannabis? She takes a DAILY macrodose of psilocybin (200mg), THC (10 - 25 mg), with frequent ketamine spray, on a daily basis and taking a full dose of MDMA or LSD or mushrooms once a week. My partner has been doing this for several months and I notice that she has become increasingly agitated, negative and fearful. On MDMA she is often in a good place but when she goes back to an agitated state the next day.

She believes she is healing herself and using these substances to grow, and I support her growth, but I worry that she may becoming unhinged. She also says she needs it to manage pain. When I try to talk with her about this she shuts it down and gets angry and defensive. She is a smart, beautiful woman and she often has brilliant insights from her psychedelic use. Taking psychedelics this often can be an escape, not much different than someone who can't get through the day without a crutch. I am noticing that her frame or schema is getting distorted, like everything is filtered through broken glass. Kind of like a mild psychotic state. She also has an active kundalini. The combination of these substances might be the issue or it might just be her.

Please weigh in if you have any thoughts
Hi. I always appreciate openess and support so thanks. But I can’t really attribute the term heroic to myself regarding huge doses of LSD. It’s as much tomfoolery as bravery in my mind.

It takes a rare character too to really push the boat so far into the deep, never actually returning to shore, and still remain afloat.

I have always been unusually grounded and rooted, so deeply in my own mind and consciousness, it’s not like writing in the sand until the wind blows it over, it’s really ingrained in the hard rock underneath the sand which the wind never touches, but which is not immune to the elements nonetheless.

Not everybody is so firmly rooted deep down in their inner consciousness and mindset. Some people are much more prone to losing that trail of breadcrumbs.

I’m not exactly together and stable currently but if I was perfectly physically well, I don’t think I would whine and grumble at all, and would be as bright, chatty, chirpy and apparently together as anybody.

Infections and side effects have really messed me up, in my intestines and digestive system. I’ve had these problems for decades but have always accessed various treatments at crucial, vital points to bolster, reboot, repair, and recover.

End of 2019 I was actually the most well all round I have been since Lyme’s crippling onset in 2005.

Come Lockdown 1 I gathered some problems, but was denied access to any and all treatments. Things escalated in a way I would never have allowed them to, it’s been a vicious circle since. So many problems and each time I found a vine, started to climb, boulders knocking me from my grip, lockdown again at times I desperately needed treatment for chiropractic, and especially digestive and intestinal complications directly due to intestinal infections, blocking treatments, prolonging and deepening the impact of the disruptions.

It’s been impossible for myself, in such an unusually complex immune destroyed body to cope without the treatments which have always pulled me out of the deep into the shallows, physically health wise.

Add the stress and trauma of really seeing what is actually going on, I.e. plain pure genocide and planet wide take over, mass life destruction on a scale we’ve never seen, all in a lie, not the best recipe for dealing with pain and trauma.

It’s gone too far currently. My chiropractor who I saw Friday, I left it so late. Flu, multiple Coxsackie viruses since 24 th December, messed up my guts so bad.

I was first blocked from vital treatments in June 2020 which usually would enable me to reboot things.

By November, finally some access, things had swung the entire opposite way from 12 months prior. Zero digestive absorption, diverticulitis, malnourishment, minimal immune function and more.

All directly related to specific nasty viral infections I refer to frequently, the Coxsackie viruses I’ve battled with for decades.

I had my own brush, no immune system bare in mind and guarantee of severe widespread respiratory infection every new infection, with Corona last year.

Well knowing how to treat respiratory infections very well, it was a park walk to beat it down very quickly, no lasting complications.

But 2 different Coxsackie viruses in the fall is what messed my intestines up so bad. Both were infinitely harder also to lower and clear from the respiratory tract fully, months to complete vs weeks with Corona, with side effects and consequences I would not have survived without specific diagnosis and treatment in November.

I just started to turn the bend when true 6 week flu hit at Xmas. I was due an important follow up appt in January, which was paramour to ongoing recovery besides the Flu in between.

So that too was cancelled. 2 out of those 3 essential treatments blocked during lockdown.

Additional avenues were also denied, and things have escalated unnaturally in ways they simply would not have done in normal times and rightful circumstances.

On Friday she found my intestines very badly twisted. A hole in one area. Nothing was functioning, as I intuitively was aware, no organ, or system. Extreme malnourishment and anemia.

She corrected everything and treated every part of my intestinal tract.

For weeks, maybe months I’ve not been able to sleep, rest or relax due to a totally non functioning digestive system, and from that one far too delayed treatment, I went to sleep late Friday night, I was so over exhausted I could get up at all yesterday, Saturday. I’ve only been getting up because it was impossibly to sleep and too uncomfortable to lie there. I have lost so much life force though, I slept brokenly, but much deeper, all yesterday and night. Well over 24 hours sleep.

Having the most awful nightmares as a reflection of the deep ditch I’m in just to keep going in life currently.

I have no fight left atm. It will be quite miraculous if I see another year. I seriously would not see another 2 weeks had I not seen my chiropractor on Friday. I can’t guarantee I will even, so progressed was my exhausted state directly due to the intestinal disturbances which are entirely un drug related, but infections and stress.

Lockdowns really have destroyed my own health, life and chance of survival for a pandemic that doesn’t really exist, a virus which isn’t even worth a mention in my own health history and prognosis in my own direct experience with it, my mum’s (71 old) and others we know.

So I understandably fume, IMO at the injustice and sickness of it.
Many here strongly disagree I know. Some by their own differing personal experience, but most by the media alone.

But @woundedhealer your girlfriend, first thought is the MDMA is very distinguishable from most psychedellics including LSD in it’s propensity, or almost guarnteehood to mentally and emotionally unhinge a person, however emotionally stable and fortified.

It’s really quite impossible to take MDMA frequently and not suffer severe disturbances.

Heavy LSD use can be a really tough ride, but you CAN get away with it.

In her position I would feel, leaving off MDMA primarily, drop THAT particular crutch as you correctly observe, would be my own encouragement.

She will need your support for a long time I feel, but will have to put a lot of work and dedication in herself and she needs to be deadly honest and real with herself too, moving forward. She may be in for a ride by the sounds. Just do your best for now to positively encourage her to be totally self honest, and consider amending her drug routine.

I would usually offer more but I’m pretty bedridden still from over exhaustion. I won’t say I’m hoping to survive. I lost the mythological hope a long time ago. Now it’s more of a predictive game but so uncertain. Still, I guess I do still hold hope. Just need to hope it will be possible for me to rejuvenate and recover, as it’s really slipped out of my hands.
 
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was wondering why i had no energy. turns out my mate i was smoking with came down with a cold but i seem to be fighting it off for now i did feel a little run down just super tired.

Did nothing this weekend productive. O well have to work really hard this coming week Smoking only a few times a week gets my psychedelic experince of weed intact.

Was lying in bed at 2 am tripping fucking balls at the light coming through the blinds.
Yeah man exactly those viruses really can drain your energy and mess you up in all sorts of ways. Yet we focus solely on one particular one. I now call it COshit of TRojan myself. Which like I say immunocompromised I and 71 yr old mum brushed off in a heartbeat, while the massively undiagnosed, silently widespread prevalent Coxsackie viruses continue to wreak havoc on all of our lives, most unwittingly suffering and attributing symptoms to an array of secondary conditions never correctly attributed or linked to the the underlying cause, the Coxsackie viruses.

But cannabis too, does indeed make you pretty lazy, fatigued at times.

Us chronic Longterm stoners are just so accustomed to it I guess. I would personally struggle with little motivation to break from cannabis. Edibles are an essential daily digestive aid, and vaporizing clean weed is still the best antidrepssant I have along with Kava.
 
whats the strongest visuals weed can give you people.

I see to be able to achieve nearly into the 150 ug + peak range when smoking now it can get scary if i let it creep up onto me and not focus.
It’s not just the cannabis IMO but the reverberations of LSD still so active in your consciousness which the cannabis is just highlighting and lighting up again.
 
Just regarding cannabis visuals, it’s always been very common in my own experience.

Especially high dose of edibles after a decent tolerance break. One particular time, was on par with all of my favourite drug experiences ever, no less amazing than a thousand ug really.
 
Oh word, well then. Thanks, we have a lot of pride in this place, I know I do, anyway. We've worked hard to try to keep the quality of our content up and continue to provide a good environment for people to share their experiences and provide high quality information, in the face of traditional forums dying out and Google's algorithms cutting out anything but reddit and Quora and "recovery industry" companies. It's nice to get some validation for our efforts. (y)

Regular use of cannabis starts to make it lose its more powerful effects and it becomes much lighter and more easygoing, but when you use it occasionally, it really is a pretty powerfully mind altering drug. I started to experience anxiety from it during my opiate addiction phase, and so I stopped using it much (used to be a daily smoker, for years I was a dedicated 24/7 stoner, even), but now I'm glad, because I like it more as a less frequent but more powerful experience. I do wish I could use it to unwind at the end of the day more, though, I kinda miss that. These days I get substantially more anxiety from it than I do from LSD or similar psychedelics, unless I only use it in the right circumstances. If I am anxious about something, it will make me much more anxious, so I have to use it when I don't have things weighing on me, and I'm not in a situation where I am prone to getting anxious.
I find smoking cannabis is more likely to produce an anxious or paranoid response in me too sometimes. When i consume edibles I find it is less likely to have that result. Edibles make me feel like I have more energy, I feel euphoric, but if I eat too much I get fuzzy headed and can't hold a thought. If I need to clear my head, a spray of ketamine really helps.
 
Yeah for sure, edibles are my favorite method. Actually I really like delta-8 THC a lot, especially eating it... it's a less intense but much less anxiety-prone and more clearheaded THC experience. Eating it produces an effect that is clearer and more psychedelic than edible THC, in my opinion. Psychedelic in the sense that I have a lot of useful introspection and deep appreciation of music and other sensory experiences, and a very strong connection to my emotions. Also delta-8 is insanely cheap and legally available. I haven't actually had any of my own weed in quite some time now, I use it when hanging out with friends who have it, but at home I just use delta-8 when I want to dip into the cannabis experience. Delta-8 is an isomer of delta-9 THC, which is present in cannabis in very low quantities, but the commercial product is made through a process called isomerization, from CBD.
 
I usually use a blend of cannabis with a high ratio of CBD, grind it up and make cannabutter to make my edibles. I've never used delta-8 THC before but I'll look for it on your recommendation. I agree that edibles gives me the full body sensory experience too. I love having an edible then going for a massage or doing yoga. If I feel a muscle is tight I can use my mind to go in and relax that particular muscle, something I cannot do when I'm sober. With an edible I can really relax my body with no trace of anxiety. Thanks for the tip about delta-8 @Xorkoth!
 
For somebody who totally lost the magic from mdma, do you think Amt would work or be a dud?
 
I usually use a blend of cannabis with a high ratio of CBD
Mixing some high CBD bud (hemp) with your THC flower will take away a lot of the anxiety people report with smoking weed. And overall feels like a more well rounded experience. Not as much in the head, it adds a stronger body component to the high.
 
my smoke buddy here talks about some trippy deep stuff while we baked and he never even done psychedelics. sat outside in the park from like 10 pm til 1 am talking about simulation theory illusion of free will psychology and boltzman brains and quantum physics lol.
 
Mixing some high CBD bud (hemp) with your THC flower will take away a lot of the anxiety people report with smoking weed. And overall feels like a more well rounded experience. Not as much in the head, it adds a stronger body component to the high.
Good point and understanding of this. It’s very true and besides CBD’s place as an amazing medicine for certain people and in general, it’s still not widely understood enough how it can be very effective at reducing THC’s tendency to cause anxiety, by modulating it.

Some would say reduce it’s effects. I don’t feel less high noticeably from recently adding CBD oil, and edible CBD flower to my regimen.

But for anybody experiencing troubling anxiety with THC adding CBD oil alone or flower, can really help with that.

Plus also, CBD is greatly more medicinal when combined with THC, and vice versa.

So on paper, any regular cannabis user would benefit medicinally from including CBD alongside their regular cannabis intake.

I was originally planning to briefly comment on the points made by @Xorkoth and @woundedhealer regarding edibles and anxiety.

I’ve said it around myself, and I’ve been using homemade edibles for many years daily at sufficient doses, I really do not experience anxiety from edible cannabis in this form, like the whole plant, I’m sure those 100 mg to 1000 mg gummy bear sole THC ways are much more anxiety inducing.

But I never anticipate anxiety from any size edible dose.

While a tiny few hits of vaporizer can easily trigger some anxiety or mental tension, especially on LSD comeups.

In that regard, the only time I get any perceptible anxiety from cannabis edibles is with big doses which are more prolonged than vaping, duration wise in timing with a strong LSD comeup and peak.

In that situation, the edibles can really keep pushing up the acid into the peak, where vaping effects start dying down much sooner. So it fuels LSD’s potential to cause anxiety and uneasiness, also panic attacks.

Like 400 ug and a very strong edible dose before being due at the dentist that day REALLY caught me out one day. Having a major panic attack about realising I’d accidentally dosed an extra 50 ug, feeling 350 ug would be manageable, and the cannabis tea I made was a lot stronger than I realised when I made it.
 
my smoke buddy here talks about some trippy deep stuff while we baked and he never even done psychedelics. sat outside in the park from like 10 pm til 1 am talking about simulation theory illusion of free will psychology and boltzman brains and quantum physics lol.
Indeed there are a few different roads to Rome.
 
3 weeks till im going to do LSD again.

been a long fucking time for myself. Going to be special and magical.

Decided to stay indoors though will maybe walk around the come up before the one hour mark but i been smoking outside around this area and the shit i see go on at night is fucking crazy lol in this huge park. Crackheads on joy rides on motorbikes random strange fuckers running around at 1 am like fuck me this place gets alot of foot traffic not good if your peaking on acid tbh since the universe likes to fuck with you on a trip and make even extra crazy shit happen.

Just hoping i can guide and lead this trip to the light. You never know what things people are holding onto in there mind and if they be open enough to share and let them go.

I will probably have get her to have one female friend around who is sober aswell for a few hours to chill to balance out the energy of the trip.
 
AMT has a good chance of still being great for you, in my experience. I compare it to MDMA often, but it really is quite different.
To be clear, I get absolutely no positive effects from mdma anymore, and haven't for years maybe slight stimulation. And much worse side effects than I used to. Just ruins otherwise good times.

Still think it's worth trying? How is the comedown? Does it lend itself to compulsive redoing (mdma didn't per say, in a session, but I definitely threw HR out the window as always as a kid and used it like every three days)
 
Yeah it's worth trying. It's a releaser, yes, but it's also psychedelic, and has a much smoother effect, calmer, and has more dopamine and NE with it. It reminds me of mescaline as much as it reminds me of MDMA.
 
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