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a note on rhabdomyolysis. its a fancy term that many don't know, and it might sound scary that dissociatives can cause it. i like to draw an analogy with exercise. exercise naturally tears your muscles.... the benefits of exercise come from the building back of those muscles. the right amount of exercise is good for you, but too much exercise can be bad. too much exercise causes your muscles to switch too heavily anaerobic respiration (oxygen-free respiration) rather than aerobic respiration. too much exercise like this also causes rhabdomyolysis, and CoQ10 and B12 also good for recovering in that situation.

for this and other reasons, i like to think that responsible use of dissociatives can be like exercise for your mind and body. :) of course, it is likely not good to completely give up normal physical exercise in exchange for chemical exercise -- stay healthy, guys.
 
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I think the above reasons is why my CK levels were unusually high during my last semi-routine panel... though it might have coincided with actual heavy muscle exercise from having a day-long martial arts qualification...
 
That's the thing, I am not sure if it was in the same week but quite possibly it was the day after. I am aware that it is only relevant for about 24-48 hours.

Oh shit I thought you meant how close together were the blood test and martial arts. The drug use was probably very frequent or even daily roughly about that time but again I am not certain when exactly I received a fresh batch of MXE or when I ran out. Though I am almost certain that I didn't use any dissociatives the day before those qualifications. Maybe after though.
 
the prior drug use could have perhaps had an effect even if that martial arts day was more than 24-48 hours later, if perhaps your diet was lacking in the days after? idk. even non-substance abusers can have high CK levels, though (CK is an indicator for rhabdomyolysis, for those reading along that are unaware).
 
soli said:
I can certainly imagine meth-users as selfish
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That's more of an addict thing. I dunno, at least tweakers are overtly friendly, the junkies I've met remind me of me (and I'm not exactly fond of myself). Oh, and congrats to you Dutch for your Olympic performance thus far.

pepper said:
Man, Sochi's alpine course is off the hook. Some sections are incredibly steep and I've never seen downhill skiers launch so far off of crests in my life. I know it's hard to tell on TV, but it looks like 15 feet vertical, about 100 yards distance, going 140+ km/hr. Makes for wicked entertainment that's for sure.
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That course looks terrifying, and I heard 20' vertical mentioned in at least one instance. And we caught up to you medalwise (we can snowboard like nobody's business), though Norway's dominance seems untouchable for now.

Now let's talk about my fav, figure skating: You guys beat us in the inaugural team event (amusing that our teams had the same coach), but White/Davis and Gracie Gold did us proud. Julia Lipnitskaia. That is all. Maybe I should put her name in bolded capital letters, 'cause she blew my friggin' mind.
 
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Day after mxe my legs felt little sore, could this be the rhabdomyolysis youre talking about? It wasnt bad but noticeable. Its gone already now 2 days after mxe. Can 1 day use cause it?
 
yeah it can happen with just one day use... staying well-hydrated helps combat it. what did you do on your trip, xammy? mostly just lay down and chill out, or?
 
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yeah it can happen with just one day use... staying well-hydrated helps combat it. what did you do on your trip, xammy? mostly just lay down and chill out, or?
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Yes mostly just sat on the PC. I drank plenty of water and mineral water but also a few beers.

If I am going to get more MXE I think I'll buy this this CoQ10 if it helps against it. Thanks for the tip. Do you have source for that dissociatives cause it?
 
i wish there was more research into the connection. there isn't a lot out there, but here is some of what i could find with a quick google search:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10802423
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=691780
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0887899496001713
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1294923

the last two are with anesthetics other than recreational dissociatives, but the concepts are mostly the same.

googling "rhabdomyolysis" and "coq10" together brings up a lot of results, but they're mostly all talking about rhabdomyolysis caused by cholesterol lowering prescription drugs like Lipitor and Crestor.

in addition to the CoQ10, make sure to eat well too... avoid junk food, eat enough veggies and protein :)
 
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thanks for links, yeah healthy food is an obvious thing :) too bad that healthy food is also so expensive. Looks like MXE isnt so safe then even its relatively very safe substance.. Is this Rhabdomyolysis how serious thing? Or does dissociatives just cause so mild form of it? Or do you have to heavily abuse them for serious damage? Sorry for not threading all the links if the answer is there, favorited them anyway
 
its only serious if you get carried away, and i believe dissociative use is actually good for you in the right amounts as long as you are otherwise healthy.
 
How often would it be safe to use MXE? Is once a week too much? I wouldnt use psychedelics to trip once a week or even once a month but i dont know about MXE.. Its still pretty strong intoxication when you think about it, especially if you're anywhere near the hole territory.
 
if you're using big doses then once a week is probably too often. my feeling is that once a week is okay for low- to moderate-sized doses, though.

this is "do as i say, not as i do" style advice coming from me, though.... lately i've been using 3-MeO-PCP a few times a week. hard to resist the temptation with this stuff since it's so cheap. my doses are low at least, though.
 
I had been using MXE and 3-MeO-PCP pretty much daily for about two months now, but taking a break because my brain finally started to fry. I'd take probably a total of 200-250 mg MXE rectally every day separated in ~20 mg doses administered whenever I felt like it, starting right after I've had my morning coffee, or sometimes I'd plug my first shot while waiting for the coffee to cool down a bit so I can drink it. I would use 3-MeO-PCP for added stimulation and focus, also it is better for social situations because it doesn't make me as wonky and crazy like MXE, although it has most likely been the catalyst for the worst meltdowns.

I haven't really holed during this time, just existing in the dissociative realm 247. I have visited my mother after plugging MXE without her noticing anything peculiar in my behaviour.

There was a break of about 8 days couple of weeks ago because I ran out of material, which resulted in me taking too much 2-DPMP (desoxypipradrol) and staying awake for three days............................

Also there were 1-2 day breaks sprinkled here and there when I would spend time with my girlfriend who lives in another city.

I'm really scared if there has been some damage to my body that hasn't yet manifested itself as I'm feeling quite good at the moment. My BP has been high and I think I've had that muscle shit going on forever but left ignored. There was also a scary panic attack/high BP/dehydration situation two weeks after the 2-DPMP incident, when I got more MXE in the mail but I had a flu or bronchitis, yet continued my use even though I was in a bad condition because of the illness and probably some residual effects from 2-DPMP.

Got some b12 and q10 today as suggested here. I've taken also benzos (diazepam 5-20 mg, oxazepam 7.5-30mg, alprazolam 0.5-1 mg) daily throughout this episode as I am a long time user of benzos, I think this has helped with BP issues etc, and getting sleep every night & not going totally bonkers.
 
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Confield what are the main differences between MXE and 3-MeO-PCP? Which one do you prefer?
 
the only case i've heard of where a person had long-lasting damage from ecessive MXE use was the bluelighter Eyes Wide Open.... he doesn't post anymore, but he came back for a while last year to tell about his kidney damage. he seems to be an unfortunate minority / extreme case, but cornfield i think it'd be good for you to read through his posts.

when he came back last year he made 6 posts under the name Ghost_of_EWO, here are all of them:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Effects-Side-effects?p=11797278#post11797278
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Effects-Side-effects?p=11797447#post11797447
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Effects-Side-effects?p=11798128#post11798128
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Effects-Side-effects?p=11799286#post11799286
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...sychedelics-overblown?p=11801029#post11801029
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-Effects-Side-effects?p=11943332#post11943332

i know people that have used more MXE than he did and were fine, so don't get too scared by his reports, Cornfrield. still though, good reading (required reading imo for anyone using excessive amounts of MXE). his stories definitely made me take a long hard look at my own use...
 
He only did 6 grams? That's scary, i thought he did like 10 times that. Makes you think twice before using grams of mxe but I think the same as you that he had some predisposition that caused MXE to react like that
 
he was using a lot of other stuff too, though

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I suppose it doesn't help that I was doing dumbass things like mixing LSD, DMT, MXE, Mushrooms and THC and scoops snax all at the same time in the same hour on the same night either. But I'm pretty much positive most of the damage happened with MXE FIRST, then I finished myself off with MDPV. Evil stuff that shit was.
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All of Those substances seems pretty safe though except MDPV. But yeah its weird how strong weed was yesternight as I did MXE 2 days ago.. Whats scoop snax btw?
 
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