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LSDMDMA&11759006 said:
quitting amphetamine was actually semi easy compared to quitting herons.
Life just seems boring without heroin and i just feel bored and depressed without it
and antisocial, i find myself pulling in and not calling friends/significant others whereas on heroin i'd always call and be talkin while noddin
wat did i get myself into

Like I said, give it time for balance to be restored. These things will get better after a while.

For me quitting ketamine was relatively easy compared to quitting benzo's which are said to be at least as horrible as heroin to get off, I didn't really experience a drawback from K like protracted w/d's but more like protracted side-effects such as messed up memory and sense of place and time.

What really fucked me over with benzo's was chronic insomnia / general restlessness / overexcitability / anxiety / fear. That just took time, although some problems are really persistent.
Medication helps. Unfortunately normal downers of course are a temporary - and not clean - solution that leave me worse afterwards than how I started. But mirtazapine fortunately helps me sleep and eat and I feel relatively normal and stable and well-humored on it with little or no fear. Though somehow it can make me feel weird as hell sometimes, like really out of it, and a lot of the time I don't really give a shit like I normally would. But can still get motivated to do a lot of creative work and stuff, I think it might dial my obsessions back a bit although it is still often a bit more compulsive than passions.

I realised relatively recently that if I don't get out of the house for a few days or a while I get withdrawn in a weird state where I start fearing going outside and meeting people and handling all of that. Yet whenever I do go outside I adapt quickly and get over it. But I didn't learn from that, because each time it happened again and I felt like I couldn't imagine how it would be outside just like depressed people often cannot really imagine feeling alright. Or like when you are hurting badly you almost forget what it would be like to have no pain.
I feel like psychedelics made my consciousness much more fluid and dynamic, but also volatile. It can help with creativity or analysis but it also tends to make me lack structure and regularity.
So... I need to stay grounded in the world, by going out of the house enough and staying in touch with people.

It's such a shame that I can't trip though, I really miss it. Never really had much of a problem with it, well at least not in these last years. Some say you can see if psychedelics still work, they do for some on these meds... and I am on a really low dose indeed.
But I read about someone getting difficulties breathing with mushrooms, arguably an anxiety reaction I'd be willing to counteract... but I also want to be careful. It's possible that I will try titrating a homogenized preparation very reservedly.

@ Just a Guy: what conditions did you operate under?
 
took 1.5g of some bomb ass shrooms today... never took that low of a dose before. i am thinkin' this might be my best shroom trip ever. i had a good amount of dmt too but just didn't feel like smokin' it for some reason. it was a good day.
 
Just know that Amphetamines are a slippery slope indeed, at least from looking around and my own experience. The slightness of it is what makes it seem like it's good to use at nearly any time. You might think that no one notices you being on it, but the consciousness shift amphetamines bring is the most noticeable for the external world IMO. Even normal people will know you're on something.

You probably already know this (and you do seem in control), but it felt worth sharing. For me the only good reason to take up amphetamines again is when I want to write a lot. Currently have an idea in my head, so I might do that actually :D
 
i noticed i can kill a lot more amphetamine since quitting than i used to be able to even though i QUIT years ago and did it only a few times since then.
 
Solipsis: "I realised relatively recently that if I don't get out of the house for a few days or a while I get withdrawn in a weird state where I start fearing going outside and meeting people and handling all of that. Yet whenever I do go outside I adapt quickly and get over it. But I didn't learn from that, because each time it happened again and I felt like I couldn't imagine how it would be outside just like depressed people often cannot really imagine feeling alright. Or like when you are hurting badly you almost forget what it would be like to have no pain."

I have made that very same observation. It was the first sign of stimulant psychosis for me...

I operated under a lack of conditions, Slip. ;) (Sorry, I always call you "slip" in my head.)
 
stimulant psychosis sucks.
I dont get it like i used to though i found.
except with methamphetamine.
then i sit trying to smoke shit that doesn't exist in the pipe for an hour
 
You might think that no one notices you being on it, but the consciousness shift amphetamines bring is the most noticeable for the external world IMO.

true story. idk if its just because i have a decent amount of experience, but its always extremely obvious to me when someone is on amphetamines. i regularly call people on it, and often get in response "yeah i am, how did you know???"

both IRL and online
 
Not sure if I am allowed to voice my opinion as a Dutchman, but if I can put it more generally: I think people should take it easy with patriottism, it is fine if you feel proud of your country because things make you feel that way but is it good to be told to feel that pride? I know that singing the national anthem is not the same as directly telling someone that but it seems like it is in the same spirit.
I think it is good that children learn the words and melody of their national anthem as a part of cultural heritage, when to sing it should IMO be less organised and more something that you do when things happen that makes you all want to do it.
Patriottism is a tricky thing. Unconditional love can be beautiful because it can connect people on an incredibly deep level so that they are bound to have each other, only to lose them when intense shit hits the fan. That is profound and indispensibly functional for family.
But a country IMO only deserves a small token of unconditional love to at least form a community by default, if nothing else. If you take it too far, people start becoming prone to support and justify even questionable behavior. That amount of unity can make itself impervious to injust policy, because unconditionality is blinding. Loyalty to a parent can be great, it helps to avoid conflict because interests are streamlined and synced. But when a parent becomes harmful, this loyalty can stand in the way of resolution. So the loyalty is only a good thing when it comes to minor and inconsequential things. Integrity should be celebrated and corruption should be subject to scrupules. Now that I've pointed out that connection, I leave it to see if you think where it applies.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. :) I'm surprised nobody else has an opinion on this. Personally, I absolutely agree that caution should be observed against excessive patriotism. In my opinion, a mandatory pledge of allegiance almost implies that the country and its culture and government should be worshipped blindly and unconditionally, which is not giving children enough healthy skepticism.

I think it's great to love your country's people, in the same way that Jesus Christ said "love thy enemy". But, in that case, why don't we ask American schoolchildren to pledge allegiance to the entire world? Why ONLY their own local society? Isn't that a bit self-centered?

I was arguing this with my sister and mom, and they looked at me like I was a lunatic... :? In fact I think I'll make a thread in P&S on this topic.
 
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply. :) I'm surprised nobody else has an opinion on this. Personally, I absolutely agree that caution should be observed against excessive patriotism. In my opinion, a mandatory pledge of allegiance almost implies that the country and its culture and government should be worshipped blindly and unconditionally, which is not giving children enough healthy skepticism.

I think it's great to love your country's people, in the same way that Jesus Christ said "love thy enemy". But, in that case, why don't we ask American schoolchildren to pledge allegiance to the entire world? Why ONLY their own local society? Isn't that a bit self-centered?

I was arguing this with my sister and mom, and they looked at me like I was a lunatic... :? In fact I think I'll make a thread in P&S on this topic.

"Territories"

I see the Middle Kingdom between Heaven and Earth
Like the Chinese call the country of their birth
We all figure that our homes are set above
Other people than the ones we know and love
In every place with a name
They play the same territorial game
Hiding behind the lines
Sending up warning signs

The whole wide world
An endless universe
Yet we keep looking through
The eyeglass in reverse
Don't feed the people
But we feed the machines
Can't really feel
What international means
In different circles, we keep holding our ground
In different circles, we keep spinning round and round

We see so many tribes overrun and undermined
While their invaders dream of lands they've left behind
Better people...better food...and better beer...
Why move around the world when Eden was so near?
The bosses get talking so tough
And if that wasn't evil enough
We get the drunken and passionate pride
Of the citizens along for the ride

They shoot without shame
In the name of a piece of dirt
For a change of accent
Or the color of your shirt
Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colorful rag is unfurled

-Neil Peart, Rush
 
^ I read the lyrics while listening to the song. Was fun, and the lyrics are very fitting to my topic indeed. :)
 
Just know that Amphetamines are a slippery slope indeed, at least from looking around and my own experience. The slightness of it is what makes it seem like it's good to use at nearly any time. You might think that no one notices you being on it, but the consciousness shift amphetamines bring is the most noticeable for the external world IMO. Even normal people will know you're on something.

You probably already know this (and you do seem in control), but it felt worth sharing. For me the only good reason to take up amphetamines again is when I want to write a lot. Currently have an idea in my head, so I might do that actually :D

Thanks for the friendly heads up, I've had a semi-brief period of amph abuse and maybe a number of shorter bouts of heavy use... I think that is about 1 1/2 year ago or so. During that time I had problems sleeping and eating enough to begin with so I absolutely exhausted myself and work went down the shitter. Now I eat and sleep regularly and I was happy to find that amp use doesn't leave me wasted afterwards now, but also I am in a better place mentally and I can usually keep it reasonable.

I have made that very same observation. It was the first sign of stimulant psychosis for me...

Oh? Hmm no for me it is probably more a result of getting increasingly introverted without reminding myself to get a grip and snap out of it. Naturally dissociating like a good Aspie boy is a bit of a love/hate thing for me. When I dissociate I can use my mind in a more immersive way, to visualise designs developing in my mind's eye and to see ideas perculating sort of spontaneously...

But my obsessive and hyperrational urges feel pretty harmful. I really emphasize with Robert Pirsig, he talks about this aspect of himself as IIRC a wolf that ruthlessly wants to dissect and analyze metaphysics to the bone. I feel like I have that as well, the beast in me seeks to control destiny by progressively learning and understanding, almost as if the ultimate goal is to become something like Laplace's daemon.

I still don't fully understand because it feels a bit like spiritual abuse. As if a part of me wants to forcibly transcend, but that doesn't make sense because there is transcendence in love, there is only fear in the desire to control.

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I operated under a lack of conditions, Slip. ;) (Sorry, I always call you "slip" in my head.)[/QUOTE]

Haha, I like that. Although now it's awkward because to me you're necessarily just a guy... I can start calling you "You stag ooey" if you like. I'm sure it's endearing if you are Ukrainian.

true story. idk if its just because i have a decent amount of experience, but its always extremely obvious to me when someone is on amphetamines. i regularly call people on it, and often get in response "yeah i am, how did you know???"

both IRL and online

You're probably right that it's noticeable about me ... well especially online lol, I have manically worked hours on a post to try and elucidate the processes that happen during mushroom extraction, then I came up with an idea to start a community project across several relevant fora with the goal of researching the intricate chemical, physical and biological aspects of mushroom extraction, to find out why oh why mushroom alkaloids cannot be purified relatively easy at all. The ultimate aim is twofold: if we are successful we find a way to crystallise the alkaloids without the need for chromatography, but even if we aren't... truly discovering why chromatography may be indispensible will also be a scientific achievement.
Even if nobody helps by experimenting, I will do it myself as long as I can afford the resources. I was planning to do that anyway. ;)

Our ADD has indicated to be interested in my work and my plans. I worked out a lot of ways to approach the project already.

This is maybe the first time I really put an amp state to good use!

Fuck... when I was coming down tonight / this morning though my dad had to go to the hospital. He will be okay (although he feels fucked up). I was so hungry and sleep deprived and tired and I got pretty tweaky.
Shameful... :\
And that reminded me how much I hate hospitals, it's so gritty...
 
Anyone have some interesting reading/listening/watching material that they've enjoyed as of late? Starting to hit that point where I'm just really really bored, I need a new obsession..:D
 
Hey all, looking forward to talking to you all about psys :D

Mainly into acid and psilocin, recently been trying AL-LAD though as I managed to get some nice liquid. I've been told 4-aco-dipt is like acid visually but with a shorter duration, what's everyone think? I like my psychedelics but not the weirder ones, I tend to prefer the more rounded ones. 2cs aren't for me unless it's 2c-b.
 
Just had to show what I snagged up on amazon for 20 bucks.
first edition, first printing, signed by ann and sasha. only 300 of em. Currently my most prized possesion.
had to show it to some people who would understand how cool this is to me.
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