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☮ Social ☮ PD Social Talk Thread: If 2020 Was the Dumpster, Can 2021 Be the Fire?

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I'll say this: ketamine is very seductive, and it can really seem like you're discovering truths, but ultimately it is a very delusional substance, much moreso than psychedelics. The same is true of all dissociatives. Be careful man. I've seen a lot of people get all fucked up and lose their shit from dissociatives, while believing they're figuring it all out.
yeah i could see how people get sucked into the dissoactives trap while doing ketamine on 6 tabs. The potential for abuse is very high. I just hope ketamine becomes a mainstream approach here like it is america now for treating people. ketamine is so expesnive here i have to save my money for over 8 weeks to afford a gram lol.
 
Well it may be mainstream in America now, but those ketamine clinics are charging people thousands of dollars for sessions, it's insane. Basically they're marking up the price and selling ketamine for like 100x what it cost them. Crooks, honestly. The whole recovery industry is full of people taking advantage of desperate people monetarily. It's pretty sickening.
 
Well it may be mainstream in America now, but those ketamine clinics are charging people thousands of dollars for sessions, it's insane. Basically they're marking up the price and selling ketamine for like 100x what it cost them. Crooks, honestly. The whole recovery industry is full of people taking advantage of desperate people monetarily. It's pretty sickening.
fuckin right?! the medical industry really grinds my gears lol.

no way in hell am i going to some keta-clinic that opened up in a vacant spot at a local strip mall, where a sandwich shop tragically went outta business due to a damn global pandemic, because some douchy young doctor thought he could save $ by renovating the shithole of a spot.
 
I finished my first gram of ket this morning and have one more since I got a freebie from the vendor. I’m still figuring out if i like it. It’s quite different to my normal and principal use of stimulants which is usually just to make me feel more like me and to have sense of mental completeness. I see acid as kind of mental purification as well and see whatever comes back from the trip as a slightly more pure or refined version of my better self.

The ket doesn’t do any of that stuff. It just fucks me up in a really interesting and comfortable way. And apart from the first go where I IM’d myself into a serious K-hole, I’ve had the nicest effects on the downside of meth binges and acid trip where a 50-80 mg snort lifts me up to a new kind of chilled peak again. I haven’t really done it by itself since that first time IM. And that was wickedly intense and a bit nauseating.

Famous last words maybe, but I don’t find it all compulsive and don’t feel any temptation to test my limits with (unlike with meth and acid where I always want to be at a redline dose). All in all it seems useful and benign. Like I was sketched out at 4 AM this morning thanks to too much meth the night before and excitement about going tripping today but I didn’t want to take any seroquel or valium that might effect my trip. So I had a snort of about 70 mg ket and just lay comfortably in the semi darkness having all kinds of closed eye visuals while relaxing into the pillows for an hour and then gently resting.
 
I finished my first gram of ket this morning and have one more since I got a freebie from the vendor. I’m still figuring out if i like it. It’s quite different to my normal and principal use of stimulants which is usually just to make me feel more like me and to have sense of mental completeness. I see acid as kind of mental purification as well and see whatever comes back from the trip as a slightly more pure or refined version of my better self.

The ket doesn’t do any of that stuff. It just fucks me up in a really interesting and comfortable way. And apart from the first go where I IM’d myself into a serious K-hole, I’ve had the nicest effects on the downside of meth binges and acid trip where a 50-80 mg snort lifts me up to a new kind of chilled peak again. I haven’t really done it by itself since that first time IM. And that was wickedly intense and a bit nauseating.

Famous last words maybe, but I don’t find it all compulsive and don’t feel any temptation to test my limits with (unlike with meth and acid where I always want to be at a redline dose). All in all it seems useful and benign. Like I was sketched out at 4 AM this morning thanks to too much meth the night before and excitement about going tripping today but I didn’t want to take any seroquel or valium that might effect my trip. So I had a snort of about 70 mg ket and just lay comfortably in the semi darkness having all kinds of closed eye visuals while relaxing into the pillows for an hour and then gently resting.
You know it’s just hit me now, how Fear and Loathing really missed ketamine out.

It feels strange to me when it’s claimed Ketamine isn’t psychedelic. I’d say it’s profoundly hallucinogenic, I know it’s a dissociative.

I’ve heard reports of the destabilising, depersonalising effect of certain dissociatives, like PCP and 3-MEO.

I feel ketamine alone can be way way safer and more sustainable in a take or leave fashion and user friendly.

It can be abused because it simply can, only finance and potential bladder trouble down the line are real deterrents,

It’s much easier to use ketamine regularly and go about a healthy, balanced social life, keep head sprightly, and be satisfied and easy, than something like crack or other addictive hard drugs.

Brilliant with mushrooms and MDMA too, it’s again a unique combine effect.
Ketamine does lend itself to abuse. But it can easily be limited, controlled, and is quite quenching too.

And it played that role for you to achieve mental rest and comfort without the meds you didn’t want to take.

One feature we loved about ketamine though, with big lines and K holes, we would feel very much like 5 year old children, in the free, innocent, purely light and merry sense.

“Dolly steps” they used to call it. Like tiny little footsteps, very peculiar outwardly but unhelpable.

There is to me still something emotionally cleansing about ketamine.
 
Ate the leftover white sauce pasta i made today while baked damm i did a good job second time i made it really got it down well with the process and seasonings and veggies. felt alot heathlier aswell. This 6 tab trip has instilled some good changes. Just like last year when i took 700 ug and was staring into the mirror trying to change my thought patterns i did that at one stage aswell and was visuzlaing in the mirror the body and health i wanted. So i was focusing alot of energy into it to overcome these old thought patterns.

Gonna keep improving and learning things

Might try out some chocolate coated crickets sometime seems like a cheap source of protein and heathly snack and apparently they taste like nuts or popcorn im really curious.
 
Hey guys, today, is going to be my 14 th day no acid. I’m actually starting to feel a little head clearer. You do need a pause at a point.

But last night, before a dinner following a 36 hour fast, carrot juice, kava all day.

I misjudged an edible cannabis top up dose. Knew it instantly. I was smashed. I rested semi awake, full on cartoon hallucinating.

I’m no cannabis lightweight. It was extremely pleasant. But really, different, but as much as a 5 tab comeup.

I didn’t plan to wreck myself so hard. I’ve been eating about 300 mg’s THC comfortably daily, hence @TripSitterNZ me not replying back to you last time yet sorry bro, was so stoned for days passed, I’ll get to you when I’m on the right level.

I’m looking to keep my acid break going. 2 weeks is a marker, momentum from there.

My head is a lot clearer. It got uncomfortably fuzzy at points.

So, check it the lovely sight, some fire weed on the way with luck. Good weather coming now for rest of flowering, we’ve had weeks of showers, but this is where we stand still heading into July Sun.











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Well it may be mainstream in America now, but those ketamine clinics are charging people thousands of dollars for sessions, it's insane. Basically they're marking up the price and selling ketamine for like 100x what it cost them. Crooks, honestly. The whole recovery industry is full of people taking advantage of desperate people monetarily. It's pretty sickening.

I think it's a little more complex than that. I agree that the price for formal Ketamine treatment is too high, and prohibitive for it helping those most in need. But, I don't think it's down to just "crooks". I'm sure there's a bunch of expenses besides the actual K including licensure, staffing (K clinics generally only do K, which is much different than say a general practice, or even a specialized practice such as Optometry that has guaranteed clientele), insurance (I bet this is a big one), etc. As well as the status quo of quoting expensive prices for care to take full advantage of insurance payouts, which, while arguably is a blemish on the K centers, is bigger than the centers, and can hardly be looked down upon too unfairly. And on and on.

So, basically, while Ketamine treatment centers and other parts of the recovery industry could be argued to be taking advantage of people when they are down, it's really more about the systemic economic conditions than about malicious individuals looking to profit from other people's suffering (not that there aren't uncaring individuals). The system (I mean this literally, not in a connotated and loaded way) incentivizes what it incentivizes. Though, I will use a loaded phrase to further describe the point: Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
Well I should rephrase, I don't actually think it's all crooks. However I do think there are plenty of outright predatory practices out there (not just ketamine, but also stuff like ibogaine and ayahuasca retreats). You're right though that the overall medical and economic systems are largely to blame, too. Even well-intentioned and truly beneficial practices are forced to charge what really amounts to too much for their services, in order to be able to stay in business.
 
Looking good! I'm kinda jealous, I miss having plants. It's been a long time,
Haha, maybe I just should feel glad you are jealous, not usually like me, but I had to fight off the lure to envy you being able to go free on the road and have such a great time with good friends, drugs I’d be right up for, and no allergies.

But I was simply pleased for you so envy never came into it.

It is hard though, when 99% of what is consumed by others on the whole, I must vehemently avoid.

It takes so much discipline.
 
@Xorkoth

i read somewhere that you make music, what instrument and type do you play?

Yeah I do, we're a jam band if you had to pick a genre, as we do about 60% improv on stage, within the framework of songs of course. We do a few Dead covers. I'd say it combines rock, funk, neo soul and jam. I play keys (electric piano, organ, clav) and synthesizers.
 
Beautiful buds @AutoTripper ! I'd love to grow some ganja plants if only for their aesthetic (and it would be nice to have some homegrown buds around) The only problem is, I'm sure it would invite backyard thieves around here...

Re: the ketamine clinics - I hope that their proliferation has a side effect of establishing some good "open-source" treatment protocols, so that people who lack the means to shell out for these clinics, can still acquire some K through the black market, and self-medicate under a wise and tested unofficial protocol at home.
 
Beautiful buds @AutoTripper ! I'd love to grow some ganja plants if only for their aesthetic (and it would be nice to have some homegrown buds around) The only problem is, I'm sure it would invite backyard thieves around here...

Re: the ketamine clinics - I hope that their proliferation has a side effect of establishing some good "open-source" treatment protocols, so that people who lack the means to shell out for these clinics, can still acquire some K through the black market, and self-medicate under a wise and tested unofficial protocol at home.
Totally, you can’t just do it anywhere. We are lucky, we have a school behind us, not public walkway or propertiy’s.

And a good secluded camouflaged cove too.
 
Coworker comes in this morning took one look at him I'm like you're hammered, he projectile pukes turns out he's having a bad reaction to the covid vaccine.

We have a thing in the morning where we ask is everyone sober? Not that anyone isn't just have this on going running joke about it. Last year one of our main guys cut himself with a saw so we hired this eastern european guy. He had full certifications and solid references and work experience.

Misses the first day and we start taking bets on how much of an alcoholic this guys going to be. Next day comes in on time, great worker, strong big guy knows his stuff and really friendly. We're pretty stoked about it.

Next day he shows up we take one look at him he is fucking hammered. Get him in the truck stop to fuel he nearly falls out goes and gets some smokes gets back in with a coffee. I'm not sure what we were thinking because we decided not to take him back to the yard.

Get to the job site, were doing a walk through with the customer this guy is so fucked up he's trying to light a smoke but keeps dropping the whole pack and stumbling almost falling over. Somehow the lady doesn't notice. We regret out decision not to take him to the yard and send him home.

Take him down to the truck have a big conversation with him says you're sitting in the truck until were done and we will take you home. Tell him look you're more drunk then I think I've ever seen someone why would you come to work? Says I'm not drunk, I'm on new meds they make me lose balance. No stay in the truck.

3 hours later we go talk to him he seems to have sobered up a bit and we tell him you can come use the leaf blower and help clean up. He's just standing there blowing one spot it's ridiculous.

I'm up a ladder and I look over and he's carrying a ladder back to the truck. It didn't make sense because were still using it, I didn't think much of it. About 10 minutes later my coworker screams come running out of the back yard and hes face down in a massive pool of blood on the concrete.

He had climbed on top of the truck to put the ladder away without a hard hat on stumbled and fallen 10FT to the concrete stopped the fall part way with his arm which was broken then smashed him head on the concrete.

I have never seen such a massive pool of blood especially from someone's head honestly not sure how he didn't die. Call an ambulance start washing the blood off the street with a hose.

We get him up and hes starts asking wheres the girl did she make it out of the car. We're like you fell off the truck. He's like who was driving? We're like no one you fell off. He's like why would I have been on the truck. Fuck if I know.

Ambulance takes him away, boss fires him. A few weeks later boss gets a call from him and hes demanding he is paid for the day and says hes going to come smash all his shit up if he doesn't. He ignores it don't hear from the guy again.

A couple of months later my boss gets a call from a lawyer representing him in a drunk driving case. He worked one full day and listed my boss as his main employer to give him a good reference to fight his DUI charge.
 
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